The hypocrisy towards witchcraft and Azealia Banks

[Bebe 17,094]

2 minutes ago, Yo GagaGaga said:

Humans are animals, animals naturally hunt other animals for food. People who eat other animals aren't satan. Is being vegan better for the Earth, yes, absolutely, I think vegans are great for not eating meat, but killing chickens just to murder them is so much different than someone eating a chicken who was killed for an actual purpose

*Some animals naturally hunt other animals for food. Not all all animals. 

Humans are different from most animals in the way that they can reason and make moral judgments, we don't generally base what's wrong and what's right based on the behavior of other animals. Many animals rape in order to reproduce, but we all have the capacity to understand it's wrong to rape. We are also different from a lot of animals in the way that we don't need to eat meat to survive.

Animal suffering is unnecessary for us. The meat industry creates unnecessary harm. The way AB treats chickens is, morally wrong because the chickens she keeps and kills are suffering unnecessarily. The meat industry is wrong, factory farming is wrong because the animals they keep and kill are suffering unnecessarily.

There really isn't a noticeable difference in my eyes. Essentially what the pro-meat comes down to is "I don't mind that animals are tortured, suffer and die because I like my burgers with meat in them" and that, to me, actually seems worse than someone who has genuine religious belief who believes that animal suffering is acceptable as decreed by a higher power. One side excuses animal suffering for their tastebuds while the other side genuinely believes what they are doing is morally acceptable because they are working on false pretenses.
 

[Born To Slay 10,996]

Just now, Enigma said:

So vegan people get a pass here when they are killing living things too? After all plants are actually living things.

If that's your concern that then u should know that because of the high plant demands of farm animals, meat eaters kill far, far more plants then vegans ever will. 

Vegans kill no animals and the least amount of plants. If your concerned about animals and plants being killed, then you know what to do...

[Born To Slay 10,996]

1 minute ago, aquariumlust said:

They aren't slaying the animal to gain magic powers. This is the kind of ignorance that runs rampant. In many traditions of witchcraft (certainly not all or even most) sacrifice animals based on the ancient practice of giving offerings to your deity to please them or ask for a fruitfull harvest or other things that you want to manifest in your life.

 

Witchcraft certainly is my religion. It can be or it doesn't have to be. It's a very free flowing overarching terms that encompasses many traditions and personal paths just as denominations in Christianity.

Why the **** does it matter for what trivial reason they're killing the animal? The only relevant question is, do u need to for survival or not? The answer for the first world is no.  

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1 minute ago, M Monstre said:

I agree with a vast majority of what you said, but I have one question.

If we're going to try and respect Azealia's religious beliefs, doesn't that mean we should accept other peoples' religious beliefs? What I'm trying to get here is the whole LGBTQ+ community vs. Christianity deal. I know it may not be in the same vain, but I mean, it wouldn't be fair to not attack one person's beliefs then attack another, right?

And, before you think this is some sort of shade throwing or something, it's not. It's a legitimate question, because, while I do want to respect her religious beliefs and stuff, it's not like you can just do one thing and then disregard another person's religious beliefs either. 

You know what, that's something I feel that people are failing to grasp. You can don't believe something, but still respect it. You can respect somebody without having to force your beliefs down their throats. Of course, there are many exceptions and limits here and there, but we should try our best. 

[DeanWinchester 41,390]

29 minutes ago, OBEY said:

Nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn 

 

OT: I never attacked her rituals or whatever, I basically just dont pay much heed to her

[Quark 7,098]

1 minute ago, Born To Slay said:

If that's your concern that then u should know that because of the high plant demands of farm animals, meat eaters kill far, far more plants then vegans ever will. 

Vegans kill no animals and the least amount of plants. If your concerned about animals and plants being killed, then you know what to do...

You did not really answer my question though. If the concern here is killing living things for some type of human gain then plants should be counted too. The amount consumed is irrelevant.

[Bebe 17,094]

2 minutes ago, M Monstre said:

I agree with a vast majority of what you said, but I have one question.

If we're going to try and respect Azealia's religious beliefs, doesn't that mean we should accept other peoples' religious beliefs? What I'm trying to get here is the whole LGBTQ+ community vs. Christianity deal. I know it may not be in the same vain, but I mean, it wouldn't be fair to not attack one person's beliefs then attack another, right?

And, before you think this is some sort of shade throwing or something, it's not. It's a legitimate question, because, while I do want to respect her religious beliefs and stuff, it's not like you can just do one thing and then disregard another person's religious beliefs either. 

I, however, completely agree with you when it comes to the treatment of these animals. We are so hardwired to see pigs, cows, chickens, sheep, etc. as food, not even animals. We forget that they feel and that they are living beings too. It's like when people say "How could you eat a dog?! You monster!" I've always hated that, and it's because we are hardwired to see dogs as nothing but loving and compassionate animals, but don't think about how other culture's and people see it.

Now, it's wrong to abuse any animal no matter if it's a chicken or a dog, but you can't just say just because someone eats a dog or something, that it's "inhumane" or "disgusting".

It's totally fair to criticise religious beliefs, especially ones that are unnecessarily cruel, I just don't think it's the most effective approach in this situation.

When it comes to LGBTQ rights, I think it only proves my point. The U.S doesn't have gay marriage because LGBTQ people called Christianity evil, stupid and whacky - most supporters of gay marriage identify as Christian. We were able to win the fight because we made homosexuality acceptable to people despite what their religious books told them. We won the fight by saying "Hey, we are not hurting anyone and we are just like you".

The emotional argument is harder to win. It's easier to talk to people on the same ground - find common values and argue from that point.

[Seeka 12,372]

3 minutes ago, aquariumlust said:

I am a witch and practice a traditional British form of witchcraft and I really appreciate the OP's point. It's not fair to mock our beliefs and many people (even on this forum) have a real lack of compassion towards a belief system that they don't understand.

I use witchcraft to follow my religious path and connect with the gods/goddesses of my choosing. It's something sacred to me and I'm not seeing a lot of understanding from people and never really have when it comes to talking about witchcraft.

I also HAVE to mention that most forms of witchcraft do not ever involve an animal sacrifice. THIS IS NOT INDICATIVE of all witchcraft religions. Many of the African and Latin American  traditions such as Santeria or Brujeria  do involve sacrificing chickens or blood of farm animals and that should be respected just as we respect other religious rituals and acts that we don't understand ourselves.

This basically.

Even most (but not all) forms of Satanism frown upon animal sacrifice.

I'm also a witch, albeit, a lazy one. I'm an omnist so I just believe in everything, but I give my thanks to the gods when something goes my way, and when I asked for help from the gods. I don't do such spells often however.

My only problem is the cleaning. not only has she neglected to clean the area physically, it also probably means she has neglected to clean the area magically.

[REALITY 76,603]

Just now, RainbowBlonde said:

You know what, that's something I feel that people are failing to grasp. You can don't believe something, but still respect it. You can respect somebody without having to force your beliefs down their throats. Of course, there are many exceptions and limits here and there, but we should try our best. 

And I totally get and respect that. Listen, I want to respect what she believes, because God knows that some people wouldn't respect me if I told them I was gay. 

My point was, though, that when you talk about something like the LGBTQ vs. Christianity debate, a vast majority of us on GGD would side with the LGBTQ community, but that's mainly because we're all inherently biased towards the debate because we—or, most of us—are apart of the LGBTQ community ourselves. 

I can't see past exceptions and/or limitations because then it just makes me feel like it's unfair. 

[Born To Slay 10,996]

1 minute ago, Enigma said:

You did not really answer my question though. If the concern here is killing living things for some type of human gain then plants should be counted too. The amount consumed is irrelevant.

Okay fine, people need to eat something. Eating plants is at the current moment mandatory for survival, eating animal products is not. That's why vegans get a free pass. 

[aquariumlust 115]

1 minute ago, Born To Slay said:

Why the **** does it matter for what trivial reason they're killing the animal? The only relevant question is, do u need to for survival or not? The answer for the first world is no.  

Religious practice is not "trivial" to the practitioner. The animal sacrifice aspect of many African and Latin American religions WERE used for survival. In their belief, they were sacrificing farm/herd animals to please their god for a good crop or to help their village. These practices have remained in the tradition into modern times and for many this is their belief system and should be respected.

Like I said in another forum on this subject, it's not my job at all to enlighten you about why you should have compassion towards other religions and why you should not speak on things that you are ignorant about.

[jojuun 4,159]

I CANNOT with this entire situation. And she's supposed to drop an album tomorrow 

She's is a MASTER manipulator and I don't know if I love or hate her for it

[Quark 7,098]

4 minutes ago, Born To Slay said:

Okay fine, people need to eat something. Eating plants is at the current moment mandatory for survival, eating animal products is not. That's why vegans get a free pass. 

Why is OK and mandatory to kill plants and not animals? You could survive just by eating meat and not plants.

[REALITY 76,603]

3 minutes ago, Bebe said:

It's totally fair to criticise religious beliefs, especially ones that are unnecessarily cruel, I just don't think it's the most effective approach in this situation.

When it comes to LGBTQ rights, I think it only proves my point. The U.S doesn't have gay marriage because LGBTQ people called Christianity evil, stupid and whacky - most supporters of gay marriage identify as Christian. We were able to win the fight because we made homosexuality acceptable to people despite what their religious books told them. We won the fight by saying "Hey, we are not hurting anyone and we are just like you".

The emotional argument is harder to win. It's easier to talk to people on the same ground - find common values and argue from that point.

I suppose I had never thought about it that way. It's just that I found it difficult because it feels like I'm cheating one out when I say that I want to respect your beliefs, but I won't respect someone else's. 

And, I suppose in this situation, it also has to deal with the fact that it's a practice and belief that is shunned upon and isn't widely practiced, and plus, it's Azealia Banks. 

[RadioIsOurs 13,876]

Just now, Enigma said:

Why is OK and mandatory to kill plants and not animals. You could survive just by eating meat and not plants.

Well...I mean...animals can feel pain, I guess? Eating meat requires the pain of other living things. While vegetables are...vegetables.