The hypocrisy towards witchcraft and Azealia Banks

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3 minutes ago, AntiPotCrusader said:

 

Humans are animals, animals naturally hunt other animals for food. People who eat other animals aren't satan. Is being vegan better for the Earth, yes, absolutely, I think vegans are great for not eating meat, but killing chickens just to murder them is so much different than someone eating a chicken who was killed for an actual purpose

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Just now, Yo GagaGaga said:

I don't care about if the religion is mainstream, I'm actually against any problematic religions, Christianity and Islam also has aspects that I disagree with, even though they are mainstream religions. And what crazier things have you seen mainstream religions do thats worse than kill probably thousands of chickens just for them to die in your life time (besides circumcision, bc that's kind f*cked up too)

Maybe I don't view that as hard as you do, probably because gazillions of chickens die for our diet anyways.... But yeah, throwing a baby off a roof is one I have heard of... 

 

[Bebe 17,094]

I said it in another thread, but I was surprised by people's reactions. I'm not quite a vegan yet, still vegetarian, but I saw the instagram by AB and it didn't phase me.

It's how we treat animals, it's how we treat chickens. I just don't understand the selective outrage. 

It's totally fair to criticise AB, it's totally fair to say that she treats chickens cruelly, but she doesn't treat chickens any worse than factory farms. She doesn't treat chickens worse than the chickens most people here eat regularly. She doesn't treat chickens worse than the chickens who laid most people's eggs. I'm a little bit confused at how people view what AB does as inexcusable and evil while consuming chicken and supporting industries that lead to chickens suffering in conditions comparable or far worse.

In terms of the religious aspect, I would just say there are more respectful and, most importantly, effective ways to change people's actions than to laugh at or dismiss their religious beliefs. First of all, witchcraft is not common - it's not a hugely popular religious practice, so we are not talking about an epidemic, we are really talking about one person. Secondly it's a widely misunderstood and taboo practice both in white and black circles. 

If you want to change their behaviour then I think the best way is to talk about animal suffering, talk about the ethical problems concerning the treatment of these animals. I just don't think it's effective to attack AB's religious beliefs. She has talked about how it makes her feel closer to her ancestors. She has talked about how it feels natural and how African Americans were forced to reject witchcraft and become Christian during slavery. It's clearly a strong emotional and culturally sensitive issue and I don't think you win that fight by calling her religious beliefs bizarre or evil. I think you win that fight by focusing on common moral values and discussing the ethical problems with our treatment of animals and animal suffering.

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Girl. Killing animals for fun is not something I and everyone else needs to respect. This topic is really kinda out of this world tbh.

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18 minutes ago, Born To Slay said:

I agree with the op, most people in the first world could live without killing animals. There's plenty of guides online on how to live cheaply on a vegan diet. So people can't judge Banks unless they're vegan.

When you kill an animal to eat it serves the purpose of satisfying your hunger and giving you proteins and other nutrients. So their death was not in vain. But when you kill an animal because you think it will give you magical powers than their death was in vain. It doesn't matter if you think is true that killing animals will giving you magic powers. Facts are facts. 

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Just now, RainbowBlonde said:

Maybe I don't view that as hard as you do, probably because gazillions of chickens die for our diet anyways.... But yeah, throwing a baby off a roof is one I have heard of... 

 

Hmm interesting, you think throwing a baby off of a roof is a little extreme, even if its a religious belief. Did you respect their beliefs? No, you used your personal beliefs to say that throwing a baby off of a roof isn't ok, despite being their religion. I don't see that as any different than saying murdering chickens isn't ok even if its for religion

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Just now, donthatemeplss said:

Girl. Killing animals for fun is not something I and everyone else needs to respect. This topic is really kinda out of this world tbh.

For fun? Really? Is that's really all you can offer to a meaningful discussion?

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I mean... witchcraft isn't a religion... Wicca is, but not all witches are Wiccans; that ends whatever argument is being had right then and there. The question to ask now is if Azealia considers herself Wiccan

As for my take on the bashing on Azealia Banks, I think more people are bashing her for her own person than the fact that she's supposedly practicing witchcraft. Simply put, we all know she's a horrible person, but to go so far as to supposedly have sacrificed animals for the sake of doing so is an entirely different store

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Just now, Enigma said:

When you kill an animal to eat it serves the purpose of satisfying your hunger and giving you proteins and other nutrients. So their death was not in vain. But when you kill an animal because you think it will give you magical powers than their death was in vain. It doesn't matter if you think is true that keelling animals will giving you magic powers. Facts are facts. 

In vain? I'd say killing animal and turning it into a greasy hamburger or McNugget is pretty in vain. I'd say killing an animal for milk when you could've bought one of the many faux versions is in vain as well. People don't need to consume animal products if they're buying their own food and it's absurd for animals killers to slam other people for killing animals for reasons they don't approve of. 

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I am a witch and practice a traditional British form of witchcraft and I really appreciate the OP's point. It's not fair to mock our beliefs and many people (even on this forum) have a real lack of compassion towards a belief system that they don't understand.

I use witchcraft to follow my religious path and connect with the gods/goddesses of my choosing. It's something sacred to me and I'm not seeing a lot of understanding from people and never really have when it comes to talking about witchcraft.

I also HAVE to mention that most forms of witchcraft do not ever involve an animal sacrifice. THIS IS NOT INDICATIVE of all witchcraft religions. Many of the African and Latin American  traditions such as Santeria or Brujeria  do involve sacrificing chickens or blood of farm animals and that should be respected just as we respect other religious rituals and acts that we don't understand ourselves.

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1 minute ago, Bebe said:

I said it in another thread, but I was surprised by people's reactions. I'm not quite a vegan yet, still vegetarian, but I saw the instagram by AB and it didn't phase me.

It's how we treat animals, it's how we treat chickens. I just don't understand the selective outrage. 

It's totally fair to criticise AB, it's totally fair to say that she treats chickens cruelly, but she doesn't treat chickens any worse than factory farms. She doesn't treat chickens worse than the chickens most people here eat regularly. She doesn't treat chickens worse than the chickens who laid most people's eggs. I'm a little bit confused at how people view what AB does as inexcusable and evil while consuming chicken and supporting industries that lead to chickens suffering in conditions comparable or far worse.

In terms of the religious aspect, I would just say there are more respectful and, most importantly, effective ways to change people's actions than to laugh at or dismiss their religious beliefs. First of all, witchcraft is not common - it's not a hugely popular religious practice, so we are not talking about an epidemic, we are really talking about one person. Secondly it's a widely misunderstood and taboo practice both in white and black circles. 

If you want to change their behaviour then I think the best way is to talk about animal suffering, talk about the ethical problems concerning the treatment of these animals. I just don't think it's effective to attack AB's religious beliefs. She has talked about how it makes her feel closer to her ancestors. She has talked about how it feels natural and how African Americans were forced to reject witchcraft and become Christian during slavery. It's clearly a strong emotional and culturally sensitive issue and I don't think you win that fight by calling her religious beliefs bizarre or evil. I think you win that fight by focusing on common moral values and discussing the ethical problems with our treatment of animals and animal suffering.

I agree with a vast majority of what you said, but I have one question.

If we're going to try and respect Azealia's religious beliefs, doesn't that mean we should accept other peoples' religious beliefs? What I'm trying to get here is the whole LGBTQ+ community vs. Christianity deal. I know it may not be in the same vain, but I mean, it wouldn't be fair to not attack one person's beliefs then attack another, right?

And, before you think this is some sort of shade throwing or something, it's not. It's a legitimate question, because, while I do want to respect her religious beliefs and stuff, it's not like you can just do one thing and then disregard another person's religious beliefs either. 

I, however, completely agree with you when it comes to the treatment of these animals. We are so hardwired to see pigs, cows, chickens, sheep, etc. as food, not even animals. We forget that they feel and that they are living beings too. It's like when people say "How could you eat a dog?! You monster!" I've always hated that, and it's because we are hardwired to see dogs as nothing but loving and compassionate animals, but don't think about how other culture's and people see it.

Now, it's wrong to abuse any animal no matter if it's a chicken or a dog, but you can't just say just because someone eats a dog or something, that it's "inhumane" or "disgusting".

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23 minutes ago, Yo GagaGaga said:

Hmm interesting, you think throwing a baby off of a roof is a little extreme, even if its a religious belief. Did you respect their beliefs? No, you used your personal beliefs to say that throwing a baby off of a roof isn't ok, despite being their religion. I don't see that as any different than saying murdering chickens isn't ok even if its for religion

Wow, way to put things in my mouth. You told me to come up with something that's worse, so I did try to find something that I think is crazier. But that doesn't mean I'm a hypocrite. Yes, my belief does not support that type of action, but neither do I towards killing animals myself. But you know what, I respect them. That's what society is lacking right now. Respect. 

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Its whatever.

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Just now, Born To Slay said:

In vain? I'd say killing animal and turning it into a greasy hamburger or McNugget is pretty in vain. I'd say killing an animal for milk when you could've bought one of the many faux versions is in vain as well. People don't need to consume animal products if they're buying their own food and it's absurd for animals killers to slam other people for killing animals for reasons they don't approve of. 

So vegan people get a pass here when they are killing living things too? After all plants are actually living things.

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Just now, Born To Slay said:

In vain? I'd say killing animal and turning it into a greasy hamburger or McNugget is pretty in vain. I'd say killing an animal for milk when you could've bought one of the many faux versions is in vain as well. People don't need to consume animal products if they're buying their own food and it's absurd for animals killers to slam other people for killing animals for reasons they don't approve of. 

They aren't slaying the animal to gain magic powers. This is the kind of ignorance that runs rampant. In many traditions of witchcraft (certainly not all or even most) sacrifice animals based on the ancient practice of giving offerings to your deity to please them or ask for a fruitfull harvest or other things that you want to manifest in your life.

 

3 minutes ago, CowSiss said:

I mean... witchcraft isn't a religion... Wicca is, but not all witches are Wiccans; the question to ask now is if Azealia considers herself Wiccan

As for my take on the bashing on Azealia Banks, I think more people are bashing her for her own person than the fact that she's supposedly practicing witchcraft. Simply put, we all know she's a horrible person, but to go so far as to supposedly have sacrificed animals for the sake of doing so is an entirely different store

Witchcraft certainly is my religion. It can be or it doesn't have to be. It's a very free flowing overarching terms that encompasses many traditions and personal paths just as denominations in Christianity.