The hypocrisy towards witchcraft and Azealia Banks

[Bette Davis 12,742]

17 minutes ago, JbGaga said:

Sorry I don't live here like some others and I will respond when I have the time to grace you with my presence. Honestly how do you respond to ignorance? Ive learned to just keep it moving especially here where there will be no understanding.  Have a lovely New Year Betty.

My point wasn't how quickly you responded, but the fact that after two days that's the best you could come up with 

There's nothing ignorant about defending animal rights. Maybe reflecting on that would be a great New Year's resolution for you. Happy holidays JbGaga!

[JbGaga 2,261]

4 minutes ago, Bette Davis said:

My point wasn't how quickly you responded, but the fact that after two days that's the best you could come up with 

There's nothing ignorant about defending animal rights. Maybe reflecting on that would be a great New Year's resolution for you. Happy holidays JbGaga!

Well I read your post and responded accordingly. Sorry it wasn't what you had hoped for.

TY! Ill consider it over my New Years Dinner this weekend. 

 

You take care now

[JusKeepBreathin 19,311]

On 12/31/2016 at 10:41 PM, koonsisme said:

 

I will never understand why anyone has compared chicken to people on this thread. You can't walk into McDonlds and order a McPerson to go. It's a ridiculous comparison. 

Edit: sorry for the quote. I tried my hardest to erase it, but this site has become so unfriendly to Android phones.

[Bette Davis 12,742]

46 minutes ago, JbGaga said:

Well I read your post and responded accordingly. Sorry it wasn't what you had hoped for.

TY! Ill consider it over my New Years Dinner this weekend. 

 

You take care now

Posting a picture, gif or comment about meat to try to trigger a vegan.. how innovative, productive and revolutionary. Definitely never encountered that one before.

Maybe working on your originality this New Year would be a great resolution as well.

Take care bb ttyl have fun at your dinner and make sure to eat your greens 

[JbGaga 2,261]

31 minutes ago, Bette Davis said:

Posting a picture, gif or comment about meat to try to trigger a vegan.. how innovative, productive and revolutionary. Definitely never encountered that one before.

Maybe working on your originality this New Year would be a great resolution as well.

Take care bb ttyl have fun at your dinner and make sure to eat your greens 

 

[RadioIsOurs 13,876]

The superiority complex here is real, and it only just proves my point about the hypocrisy of some people here.... 

[Manul 7,377]

17 pages of delicious drama to read

I am ready 

[Zazekina 785]

I don't agree with that, but I respect her choices. I do really hope, we all become vegan and stop using animal fur, but until then, Who am I to judge?

[Jenniferella 2,774]

She made it about religion and race (obvi) when it is not. Nobody, under any religion, should be celebrated for slaughtering chickens, at home, in your closet. Anywhere, actually. She knew exactly what she was doing with those Snapchats and what it would create though

[StrawberryBlond 14,874]

On 31/12/2016 at 7:10 AM, Bette Davis said:

Reminds of when people say stuff like"I love gay people, but I just think marriage should be between a man and a woman and seeing two guys kissing grosses me out."

That's a completely different thing and you know it. I wouldn't mind your analogy if it was a bit better. You ignore the fact that the human body was designed to eat meat, thus, wanting to eat it is a completely natural feeling. If animals can do it without shame, why should we shame ourselves? The fact that we have choice to eat non-animal products is irrelevant. As long as our bodies were designed for meat consumption, that impulse is naturally there. That's why most vegetarians and vegans were not like that their entire lives. They've fought against what comes naturally. Some vegetarians eat meat substitutes as well because their body still craves meat to the point where they need to approximate the sensation of eating it. Even if they find the concept of eating meat disgusting, it doesn't change the fact that they think it tastes good. That is how strong this urge to eat meat is in humans. Going along with the gay analogy you used, think of vegans as straight people and meat eaters as the gays. The meat eaters just want to do the things that come naturally to them, just like everyone else, but vegans are telling them that they are sinful for urges that they can't help, urges they were born with. That they should suppress their natural desires and cure themselves of their meat urges. Doesn't this all sound wrong to you? Nature built almost all of mankind and animals to eat each other in order to always have readily available food sources as well as keep down over-population. There's nothing evil about giving in to your natural urges. It is possible to choose to eat meat only if its been ethically sourced, you know. If you don't think ethically sourced meat is possible, well, what do you think about lionesses teaming up to bring down an antelope, tearing it limb from limb? So, basically, you're saying: natural urges are normal for an animal, sinful for a human?

If the whole world became vegan, the world would be disastrous because there would be animals running about all over the place causing havoc, prowling down city streets and eating people, every animal in the wild would be shoulder to shoulder and be consuming each other in a big, bloody mess. Not to mention, cows would be enduring pain in their udders because no one's milking them and sheep would be roasting in the summer heat because no one will shear them. Imagine the end result of widespread veganism and it's not that pretty or logical.

[Bette Davis 12,742]

3 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said:

That's a completely different thing and you know it. I wouldn't mind your analogy if it was a bit better. You ignore the fact that the human body was designed to eat meat, thus, wanting to eat it is a completely natural feeling. If animals can do it without shame, why should we shame ourselves? The fact that we have choice to eat non-animal products is irrelevant. As long as our bodies were designed for meat consumption, that impulse is naturally there. That's why most vegetarians and vegans were not like that their entire lives. They've fought against what comes naturally. Some vegetarians eat meat substitutes as well because their body still craves meat to the point where they need to approximate the sensation of eating it. Even if they find the concept of eating meat disgusting, it doesn't change the fact that they think it tastes good. That is how strong this urge to eat meat is in humans. Going along with the gay analogy you used, think of vegans as straight people and meat eaters as the gays. The meat eaters just want to do the things that come naturally to them, just like everyone else, but vegans are telling them that they are sinful for urges that they can't help, urges they were born with. That they should suppress their natural desires and cure themselves of their meat urges. Doesn't this all sound wrong to you? Nature built almost all of mankind and animals to eat each other in order to always have readily available food sources as well as keep down over-population. There's nothing evil about giving in to your natural urges. It is possible to choose to eat meat only if its been ethically sourced, you know. If you don't think ethically sourced meat is possible, well, what do you think about lionesses teaming up to bring down an antelope, tearing it limb from limb? So, basically, you're saying: natural urges are normal for an animal, sinful for a human?

If the whole world became vegan, the world would be disastrous because there would be animals running about all over the place causing havoc, prowling down city streets and eating people, every animal in the wild would be shoulder to shoulder and be consuming each other in a big, bloody mess. Not to mention, cows would be enduring pain in their udders because no one's milking them and sheep would be roasting in the summer heat because no one will shear them. Imagine the end result of widespread veganism and it's not that pretty or logical.

1. Saying humans were designed to eat meat isn't really true. Many parts of our anatomy more closely resemble herbivores - research the human digestive system for example. Name another meat-eating species that has to cook/process most types of meat in order to properly digest them. Humans can get all the nutrients they need from a plant-based foods. As for nutrients like B12, many foods are already fortified with them or there are supplements.

2. You argue that my analogy doesn't make sense because our bodies "were made to eat meat" is no different than the anti-gay argument that "male and females were made to reproduce, therefore being gay is unnatural," so in that sense my analogy still holds.

3. The craving to eat any specific food - including meat - is a cultural thing. There are cultures that follow vegetarian and/or vegan diets and do you think anyone in those cultures craves meat? Humans crave and need protein, fats and carbohydrates, not animal products.

4. As for ethically sourced meat, that is just a titled to make the consumer feel better about their purchase. In the end there is nothing ethical about slaughtering voiceless animals. Watch videos of what goes on in slaughter houses and tell me if you would be okay if the animal being killed was a cat or a dog instead of a cow, chicken or pig. It's no different.

5. A lion kills an antelope for sheer survival. When we dine on peppered fillet mignon or a roast chicken, that is a luxury, not for survival. A lion is also a carnivore, we are not. We are capable of surviving off plant-based foods and have the intelligence and morals to sense that killing animals is wrong. A lion or any other carnivore, doesn't possess either of these attributes, so comparing humans to them doesn't make any sense.

6. Your arguments about the environment and overpopulation of animals are both completely false  just research the basics of ecology and you will see how false those assumptions are. Humans eating meat isn't solving overpopulation; we are just breeding huge populations of animals for the purpose of slaughter. When was the last time your average person ate the meat of an overpopulated species from nature? You should be more concerned with the detrimental effects of raising livestock and over fishing. Not only do they pollute, but they contribute to desertification, species loss, human starvation, etc. The end result of widespread veganism is both "pretty and logical", but it's just an uncomfortable, foreign idea to most people that requires them to question the culture they were raised in. If the whole world were vegan, then the world would be in much better shape 

[monstereo 1,232]

1 hour ago, Bette Davis said:

1. Saying humans were designed to eat meat isn't really true. Many parts of our anatomy more closely resemble herbivores - research the human digestive system for example. Name another meat-eating species that has to cook/process most types of meat in order to properly digest them. Humans can get all the nutrients they need from a plant-based foods. As for nutrients like B12, many foods are already fortified with them or there are supplements.

2. You argue that my analogy doesn't make sense because our bodies "were made to eat meat" is no different than the anti-gay argument that "male and females were made to reproduce, therefore being gay is unnatural," so in that sense my analogy still holds.

3. The craving to eat any specific food - including meat - is a cultural thing. There are cultures that follow vegetarian and/or vegan diets and do you think anyone in those cultures craves meat? Humans crave and need protein, fats and carbohydrates, not animal products.

4. As for ethically sourced meat, that is just a titled to make the consumer feel better about their purchase. In the end there is nothing ethical about slaughtering voiceless animals. Watch videos of what goes on in slaughter houses and tell me if you would be okay if the animal being killed was a cat or a dog instead of a cow, chicken or pig. It's no different.

5. A lion kills an antelope for sheer survival. When we dine on peppered fillet mignon or a roast chicken, that is a luxury, not for survival. A lion is also a carnivore, we are not. We are capable of surviving off plant-based foods and have the intelligence and morals to sense that killing animals is wrong. A lion or any other animal, doesn't possess either of these attributes.

6. Your arguments about the environment and overpopulation of animals are both completely false  just research the basics of ecology and you will see how false those assumptions are. Humans eating meat isn't solving overpopulation; we are just breeding huge populations of animals for the purpose of slaughter. When was the last time your average person ate the meat of an overpopulated species from nature? You should be more concerned with the detrimental effects of raising livestock and over fishing. Not only do they pollute, but they contribute to desertification, species loss, human starvation, etc. The end result of widespread veganism is both "pretty and logical", but it's just an uncomfortable, foreign idea to most people that requires them to question the culture they were raised in. If the whole world were vegan, then the world would be in much better shape 

Not to mention, the idea of everyone going vegan at once never going to happen, so their "animals are going to be running around the streets causing chaos if everyone goes vegan" argument is incredibly ridiculous and naive. Realistically, the transition into veganism would be very slow, and cows/pics/chickens/etc would be bred less because there would be less demand for their slaughter. Overtime their populations would deplete to match the decreased supply and demand.

edit: There's so many logical falicies in what they're posting, I wouldn't know where to begin addressing it. Thank you for defending the animals though.

[Bette Davis 12,742]

1 hour ago, monstereo said:

Not to mention, the idea of everyone going vegan at once never going to happen, so their "animals are going to be running around the streets causing chaos if everyone goes vegan" argument is incredibly ridiculous and naive. Realistically, the transition into veganism would be very slow, and cows/pics/chickens/etc would be bred less because there would be less demand for their slaughter. Overtime their populations would deplete to match the decreased supply and demand.

edit: There's so many logical falicies in what they're posting, I wouldn't know where to begin addressing it. Thank you for defending the animals though.

Yes, great points! Thanks for adding them

I know it may annoy people, but spreading knowledge is the only way to make positive changes for any movement. If it weren't for other people informing and educating me, I would still be consuming animal products. If I can help even one person change, then I've done my job 

[ctherainbow 3,162]

Just your friendly neighborhood part-time evangelical Christian/part-time witch stopping by to remind the thread that the vast majority of pagan sects no longer practice or condone animal sacrifice as part of their spiritual path, so please don't get the wrong idea about pagan spiritual practice from Ms. Banks.       Speaking about a specific pagan faith as being general "witchcraft" is misleading.

[StrawberryBlond 14,874]

22 hours ago, Bette Davis said:

1. Saying humans were designed to eat meat isn't really true. Many parts of our anatomy more closely resemble herbivores - research the human digestive system for example. Name another meat-eating species that has to cook/process most types of meat in order to properly digest them. Humans can get all the nutrients they need from a plant-based foods. As for nutrients like B12, many foods are already fortified with them or there are supplements.

2. You argue that my analogy doesn't make sense because our bodies "were made to eat meat" is no different than the anti-gay argument that "male and females were made to reproduce, therefore being gay is unnatural," so in that sense my analogy still holds.

3. The craving to eat any specific food - including meat - is a cultural thing. There are cultures that follow vegetarian and/or vegan diets and do you think anyone in those cultures craves meat? Humans crave and need protein, fats and carbohydrates, not animal products.

4. As for ethically sourced meat, that is just a titled to make the consumer feel better about their purchase. In the end there is nothing ethical about slaughtering voiceless animals. Watch videos of what goes on in slaughter houses and tell me if you would be okay if the animal being killed was a cat or a dog instead of a cow, chicken or pig. It's no different.

5. A lion kills an antelope for sheer survival. When we dine on peppered fillet mignon or a roast chicken, that is a luxury, not for survival. A lion is also a carnivore, we are not. We are capable of surviving off plant-based foods and have the intelligence and morals to sense that killing animals is wrong. A lion or any other carnivore, doesn't possess either of these attributes, so comparing humans to them doesn't make any sense.

6. Your arguments about the environment and overpopulation of animals are both completely false  just research the basics of ecology and you will see how false those assumptions are. Humans eating meat isn't solving overpopulation; we are just breeding huge populations of animals for the purpose of slaughter. When was the last time your average person ate the meat of an overpopulated species from nature? You should be more concerned with the detrimental effects of raising livestock and over fishing. Not only do they pollute, but they contribute to desertification, species loss, human starvation, etc. The end result of widespread veganism is both "pretty and logical", but it's just an uncomfortable, foreign idea to most people that requires them to question the culture they were raised in. If the whole world were vegan, then the world would be in much better shape 

1. A lot of that is nonsense that vegans dreamed up to make themselves feel superior. Humans are natural omnivores. Omnivores eat many things, including meat, so yes, we are naturally built for it. The fact we have to cook and process certain meat before eating it doesn't mean that no one should be eating it. There are plenty of foods out there that make various animals ill or die but doesn't affect us. Doesn't mean it's a no-go area for everyone.

2. No, your analogy doesn't make sense because you are taking the gay argument and twisting it. Like I said before, in this situation, it's the vegans who are the straights and the meat eaters are the gays. The vegans are trying to tell them to suppress their natural urges and stop eating meat through conversion therapy. Sound familiar? Plus, no meat eater is saying that deciding not to eat meat is unnatural, they're perfectly fine with other people's choices until they start getting irritated to become one of them. Diet is a big thing, a very personal thing. You don't want to eat meat or any animal product? Fine. But it's none of your business what choices I make.

3. Those people would probably like meat if they tried it, though. Then their natural instincts would start to kick in to replace their cultural upbringing. Plus, those elements that you listed are present in meat, so naturally, people will be drawn to meat.

4. Of course there's no truly ethical way to kill anything. But giving the animals the best possible life before they die is the most we can do. As I said before, it depends where you live. I'm in the UK, where we treat our animals the best we can before they get made into meat. Free range has been pretty much the standard for years now. I can't even remember ever seeing a box of eggs that didn't have "free range" written on the front. Our restrictions are so much better than other countries when it comes to that stuff. Even the likes of UK McDonalds are very ethical now. Don't know what the situation is like in other Western countries but here, we're one of the most ethical. So, there's no point trying to make me feel guilty for say, cows getting injected with hormones to produce more milk because I'm in the UK and drink British milk and our cows aren't treated like that here.

5. Sure, it's a luxury, but it's still eating food to survive. One of the amazing things about being human is that we have the choice of getting enjoyment out of the food we eat and having variety. If animals had a choice, they'd take advantage of it too. If lions were capable of eating plants too, would you be angry at them for still choosing to eat meat as well? Or would you say they were still just surviving? Because it's still within their nature to eat meat as well? Just a question - do you have pets? Meat-eating pets? What do you feed them? If it is meat, aren't you, as a vegan, contributing to the meat industry too?

6. No, humans and animals eating meat is what is solving overpopulation. It's a twofold thing, a circle of life thing. Why should I be concerned about over fishing? Fish reproduce at an alarming rate and make thousands of babies. Ever seen those leaping fish in Canada where the bears just stand there and grab them and eat them all day, every day? They can do that without killing off the fish population because those fish are expert breeders and there's hundreds of them. And wait, how does raising livestock contribute to human starvation? You've completely lost me there. And surely you're not against a poor family in the third world eating the animals from their land (which is their only source of food) and selling them (their only source of income)? You should be mad at the real problems that are killing off animals for pointless reasons like the fur industry, the ivory industry, bloodsports. But no, you want to get on at people for eating meat, which loads of animals do too. Priorities.

21 hours ago, monstereo said:

Not to mention, the idea of everyone going vegan at once never going to happen, so their "animals are going to be running around the streets causing chaos if everyone goes vegan" argument is incredibly ridiculous and naive. Realistically, the transition into veganism would be very slow, and cows/pics/chickens/etc would be bred less because there would be less demand for their slaughter. Overtime their populations would deplete to match the decreased supply and demand.

edit: There's so many logical falicies in what they're posting, I wouldn't know where to begin addressing it. Thank you for defending the animals though.

There was no need to be so condescending about me just because you don't agree. Fyi, I was talking about a hypothetical situation, of course it isn't realistic, but just imagine that it is. Don't assume that I'm naive and uneducated just because I choose to eat meat. "They don't think like me, they must be uneducated," is a logical fallacy.

And I defend animals a lot, thank you. I was in this very thread earlier saying how sick Azealia was for killing those chickens (because I don't agree with killing animals for pointless reasons - see, meat eater with morals!). I just decided to hit back at all those who were turning it into a vegetarian/vegan argument where it had no right to be.