Born To Slay 10,996 Posted December 31, 2016 Author Share Posted December 31, 2016 10 minutes ago, En_Sabah_Nur said: Me too! But let them tell it, he was the devil from hell for trying to do that! SMDH I think the GOP, if they go thru with their agenda of cutting everything, will give the dems a majority in 2018 and 2020, just in time to gerrymander for our side, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
En_Sabah_Nur 9,366 Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 12 minutes ago, Born To Slay said: I think the GOP, if they go thru with their agenda of cutting everything, will give the dems a majority in 2018 and 2020, just in time to gerrymander for our side, Only if progressives & liberals can stop all this infighting & finally come together!!! 👍👍👍👌🏾 Egypt. W Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born To Slay 10,996 Posted December 31, 2016 Author Share Posted December 31, 2016 12 minutes ago, En_Sabah_Nur said: Only if progressives & liberals can stop all this infighting & finally come together!!! 👍👍👍👌🏾 That's true. We need to support each other and not jump ship if we don't get what we want 100% every time. I was one of the people who after Bernie lost the primary, was ready to leave the dem party and eventually I came home but felt very reluctant about it, now seeing what the reality is now, I see why that line of thinking doesn't work. We need to stick together even if we disagree at times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
En_Sabah_Nur 9,366 Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 11 minutes ago, Born To Slay said: That's true. We need to support each other and not jump ship if we don't get what we want 100% every time. I was one of the people who after Bernie lost the primary, was ready to leave the dem party and eventually I came home but felt very reluctant about it, now seeing what the reality is now, I see why that line of thinking doesn't work. We need to stick together even if we disagree at times. Because I've been through this before(with Bush) that's why I kept saying that all throughout the election. Because I knew what was at stake & how easily it could be taken away... Smh I had to CONSTANTLY fight with Bernie & Jill Stein supporters to try & get them to see the bigger picture, but to no avail obviously... I just pray not EVERYTHING we have fought for in these past 8 years is swept away from this incoming TRUMP Storm! Egypt. W Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born To Slay 10,996 Posted December 31, 2016 Author Share Posted December 31, 2016 Just now, En_Sabah_Nur said: Because I've been through this before(with Bush) that's why I kept saying that all throughout the election. Because I knew what was at stake & how easily it could be to take it away... Smh I had to CONSTANTLY fight with Bernie & Jill Stein supporters to try & get them to see the bigger picture, but to no avail obviously... I just pray not EVERYTHING we have fought for in these past 8 years is swept away from this incoming TRUMP Storm! Yeah, I remember you saying that and eventually I did come to my senses and did promote the dem party out of fear of the GOP. Bernie has promised to do everything possible to stop Trump thru grassroots activism, I have in faith in him that he can do it or at least stop the worst of the worst. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
En_Sabah_Nur 9,366 Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 4 minutes ago, Born To Slay said: Yeah, I remember you saying that and eventually I did come to my senses and did promote the dem party out of fear of the GOP. Bernie has promised to do everything possible to stop Trump thru grassroots activism, I have in faith in him that he can do it or at least stop the worst of the worst. I dunno.... The democrats lost BIG this time & we are so few in number in the house for example. Don't know if we have enough numbers this time to make any difference... Smh 😔 Egypt. W Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born To Slay 10,996 Posted December 31, 2016 Author Share Posted December 31, 2016 Just now, En_Sabah_Nur said: I dunno.... The democrats lost BIG this time & we are so few in number in the house for example. Don't know if we have enough numbers this time to make any difference... Smh 😔 But we have enough in the senate to hopefully block the worst from happening Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
En_Sabah_Nur 9,366 Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 22 minutes ago, Born To Slay said: But we have enough in the senate to hopefully block the worst from happening The question is tho should we work with him when or if he wants to get rid of NAFTA or do infrastructure!??? Egypt. W Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born To Slay 10,996 Posted December 31, 2016 Author Share Posted December 31, 2016 Just now, En_Sabah_Nur said: The question is tho should we work with him when or if he wants to get rid of NAFTA or do infrastructure!??? no because if we do, then that gives him a good record and he can run again and hurt more people in 2020. Giving the GOP points is not an option. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
En_Sabah_Nur 9,366 Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 4 minutes ago, Born To Slay said: no because if we do, then that gives him a good record and he can run again and hurt more people in 2020. Giving the GOP points is not an option. True - good points! 👍 Egypt. W Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
En_Sabah_Nur 9,366 Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 6 minutes ago, Born To Slay said: no because if we do, then that gives him a good record and he can run again and hurt more people in 2020. Giving the GOP points is not an option. But what if he tells the working class people in the rust belt states that the dems are fighting him on NAFTA & infrastructure & that we don't care about them, etc. ??? Egypt. W Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born To Slay 10,996 Posted December 31, 2016 Author Share Posted December 31, 2016 2 minutes ago, En_Sabah_Nur said: But what if he tells the working class people in the rust belt states that the dems are fighting him on NAFTA & infrastructure & that we don't care about them, etc. ??? Good point, okay plan B, let him get rid of NAFTA but then find a way to take credit for it and manipulate the situation to make it look like our accomplishment. As far as infrastructure, we can make the case to the rust belt that his plan helps the rich more then them and that he's selling them out for the top 1%. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
En_Sabah_Nur 9,366 Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 5 minutes ago, Born To Slay said: Good point, okay plan B, let him get rid of NAFTA but then find a way to take credit for it and manipulate the situation to make it look like our accomplishment. As far as infrastructure, we can make the case to the rust belt that his plan helps the rich more then them and that he's selling them out for the top 1%. The first part will be kinda hard since we are so in the minority right now & the second part might work. Unless they just look at us saying the top 1% as just politics as usual... Egypt. W Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItsTommyBitch 12,640 Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 16 minutes ago, Born To Slay said: no because if we do, then that gives him a good record and he can run again and hurt more people in 2020. Giving the GOP points is not an option. Unfortunately as we can see with the Right Wing Media cycle, even things that he never did become points for him. Things that are actually even bad are points for him Look at Carrier and Sprint jobs; both way more complicated than "Trump brings jobs to America!" (and in some case, not even exactly true) and people are like "Look, He's doing good already, stop whining libtard otherkins " 私自身もこの世の中も誰もかれもが, どんなに華やかな人生でも, どんなに悲惨な人生でも, いつかは変貌し, 破壊され、消滅してしまう. すべてがもともとこの世に存在しない一瞬の幻想なのだから Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born To Slay 10,996 Posted December 31, 2016 Author Share Posted December 31, 2016 Just now, En_Sabah_Nur said: The first part will be kinda hard since we are so in the minority right now & the second part might work. Unless they just look at us saying the top 1% as just politics as usual... If we get a democrat to introduce the legislation and the whole party comes out in support, we could spin it that way or at the least spin so that it was a bipartisan thing, so no one credit for it. And I don't think they will see that as politics as usual, the 1% is hardly bashed in mainstream. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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