The Fame Joanne 5,985 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 1 minute ago, Gaga Monster said: How am I delusional if I can back up my facts but you can not? I am saying facts that I can prove, while you are just ignoring them and calling me delusional. When you debate something, instead of name calling your opponent, at least have something to back up yourself with. It is true, these laws won't be passed because Pro Gay Trump would never allow them to. Trump HAS been pro gay longer for Hillary, it is a fact, or do I need to play you the tapes of Hillary saying Anti LGBT things. We wouldn't have so many anti LGBT people (like his vice) in his team if LGBT rights were important to him He also made a list of judges he wants to get into the Supreme Court and most of them are anti LGBT too. And it doesn't matter if Clinton was against gays when she's not now, while he is Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJHolland 12,725 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 1 hour ago, Sizzily said: Not too worried. I mean, I live in a state that would go all out in favor for this bill but it'll be better eventually. No one should be worried, but we have certain members on this site ( @Larry Hill , cough cough) who think that simply gaining a majority in two branches of government means a party will be able to pass an extreme agenda of hate. Some people simply do not understand, or chose to ignore, the incredibly important nuances that exist in the US Government and rather fan the flames of fear and panic. It. Is. Not. As. Simple. As. "Winning". There is a reason why people spend 4-8 years studying the social science of politics. It is punishingly intricate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 3 minutes ago, MJHolland said: Justice*. I hate that everyone counts RBG out. She's a fighter. Also since Republicans do not have a cloture majority, there is no way an ultra-conservative justice would be confirmed in this Senate. We will get a conservative moderate. And then we will take back the WH in 2020 and appoint a super liberal gay that will live forever Two of the Justices on the court right now are eighty and eighty three. One, or both, may want to retire in the next four years. I wouldn't be so sure about 2020. The millennials have proven themselves to be unreliable voters. If Dems can't get back the rust belt, Trump could have another four years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goosey 3,017 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 19 minutes ago, Gaga Monster said: I don't think Trump would propose such an idea. He has been pro gay longer than Hillary has been for a while. 18 minutes ago, Gaga Monster said: Trump has always been a supporter of the LGBT community and promises to protect them. He has been for Gay Rights longer than Hillary has, and I still don't believe she is for them knowing her. Dont listen to these senators who aren't President 13 minutes ago, Gaga Monster said: How is that funny what I said. It is true, these laws won't be passed because Pro Gay Trump would never allow them to. Trump HAS been pro gay longer for Hillary, it is a fact, or do I need to play you the tapes of Hillary saying Anti LGBT things or calling black people Super Predators? Thank you! Educate 'em! "I am the world's greatest person that does not want to let people into the country."—US President Donald J. Trump Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JusticeforVenus 950 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 3 minutes ago, Goosey said: Thank you! Educate 'em! Wait and see u will be educated After the mask falls down Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJHolland 12,725 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 1 minute ago, Whispering said: Two of the Justices on the court right now are eighty and eighty three. One, or both, may want to retire in the next four years. I wouldn't be so sure about 2020. The millennials have proven themselves to be unreliable voters. If Dems can't get back the rust belt, Trump could have another four years. RBG can stick in for another 4, she is extremely lucid. Hopefully. Plus it's not like a radical could get appointed by the senate... Also, Trump didn't win because Trump was great, he won because Hillary was one of the worst candidates we as a party have ever nominated. I mean, she had CLEAR scandals that were going to be breaking all throughout the campaign, and we ran relatively disorganized and small campaign efforts in states that were really should have invested more in but we got too tied up in our national lead (e.g. Michigan). And this is coming from somebody who WORKED directly for Hillary's campaign Spoiler And we were the only f*cking state that delivered on our f*cking job, might I add Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goosey 3,017 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 3 minutes ago, JusticeforVenus said: Wait and see u will be educated After the mask falls down I've already seen behind the mask, and I'm impressed. I have the hardcover of "The Art of the Deal", and the paperback versions of "The Art of the Comeback", "The America We Deserve", and "Think Big: Make It Happen in Business and Life". No, I didn't have time to read them all. But what I've read is encouraging! Perk up! "I am the world's greatest person that does not want to let people into the country."—US President Donald J. Trump Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belivet 287 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 Whether or not Trump is pro gay rights isn't the point. The Congress and the Supreme Court makes the decisions, and they are anti gay rights. Trump surrounded himself with those racist, homophobic, sexist politicians while in a field that he is unfamiliar with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeka 12,372 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 41 minutes ago, MJHolland said: RBG can stick in for another 4, she is extremely lucid. Hopefully. Plus it's not like a radical could get appointed by the senate... Also, Trump didn't win because Trump was great, he won because Hillary was one of the worst candidates we as a party have ever nominated. I mean, she had CLEAR scandals that were going to be breaking all throughout the campaign, and we ran relatively disorganized and small campaign efforts in states that were really should have invested more in but we got too tied up in our national lead (e.g. Michigan). And this is coming from somebody who WORKED directly for Hillary's campaign Hide contents And we were the only f*cking state that delivered on our f*cking job, might I add At least she won the popular vote. Like that means anything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 2 hours ago, MJHolland said: RBG can stick in for another 4, she is extremely lucid. Hopefully. Plus it's not like a radical could get appointed by the senate... Also, Trump didn't win because Trump was great, he won because Hillary was one of the worst candidates we as a party have ever nominated. I mean, she had CLEAR scandals that were going to be breaking all throughout the campaign, and we ran relatively disorganized and small campaign efforts in states that were really should have invested more in but we got too tied up in our national lead (e.g. Michigan). And this is coming from somebody who WORKED directly for Hillary's campaign Reveal hidden contents And we were the only f*cking state that delivered on our f*cking job, might I add Trump won because there were enough people in key states that showed up to vote. He won with white men, Republicans that always come home, and people who want their credit cards and adjustable rate mortgages back. He beat out 15 other candidates to get the nomination. Any Democrat was going to go with progressive policies and immigration reform. It was a year that people wanted change, more than anything. It was going to be a difficult year for Dems, no matter how you want to look at it. Progress takes time and it was coming too fast for many people. Add in the fear trend over immigration that we see in many countries right now...and there you have it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gagaloo911 12,959 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 4 hours ago, Sizzily said: Not too worried. I mean, I live in a state that would go all out in favor for this bill but it'll be better eventually. That is some ridiculous logic. That's not the kind of attitude to have about this. Just replace Hitler Germany with Trump and say that and it gets very cringey really fast "All the Jews are being massacred/slaughtered, but it will get better eventually." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJHolland 12,725 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 40 minutes ago, Whispering said: Trump won because there were enough people in key states that showed up to vote. He won with white men, Republicans that always come home, and people who want their credit cards and adjustable rate mortgages back. He beat out 15 other candidates to get the nomination. Any Democrat was going to go with progressive policies and immigration reform. It was a year that people wanted change, more than anything. It was going to be a difficult year for Dems, no matter how you want to look at it. Progress takes time and it was coming too fast for many people. Add in the fear trend over immigration that we see in many countries right now...and there you have it. You conveniently left out the part where the democratic party had to chose between an awful candidate and a socialist Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 Just now, MJHolland said: You conveniently left out the part where the democratic party had to chose between an awful candidate and a socialist It wouldn't have mattered who they had, tbh...unless it was some non-politician who said they were going to change the way things were done and was anti-immigrant. The Dems actually needed another narcissist, sociopath and pathological liar to go up against Trump...and someone who was a big celebrity. Oh, and a white male! Lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altair 2,003 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 good thing I'm already signed up for conversion therapy! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJHolland 12,725 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 18 minutes ago, Whispering said: It wouldn't have mattered who they had, tbh...unless it was some non-politician who said they were going to change the way things were done and was anti-immigrant. The Dems actually needed another narcissist, sociopath and pathological liar to go up against Trump...and someone who was a big celebrity. Oh, and a white male! Lol I absolutely disagree with you haha, so I guess we will have to agree to disagree. I whole heartedly think had Democrats run someone like Bidden or Warren or even f*cking Tim Kaine, we would have won. It was Hillary's race to lose from the beginning. It was just one major scandal after another, so unclean. Opposite of what you want in a candidate. Comey would have never been able to throw a win to trump if Bidden ran, or even sanders for that matter who I'm certainly not a fan of. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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