Beyonce' exposedT again

[Illuminati 15,921]

i'm fine with sampling since everyone does it but i gotta admit Lemonade contains quite a bunch in comparison lol but it worked. i wouldnt dare to call it a personal album anymore though cause it's obvious it's a very well calculated commercial strategy but nothing more.

[Manul 7,377]

5 hours ago, yASSsss said:

at least it's not about Gaga's face fillers  

[Delusional Aura 5,129]

48 minutes ago, lego said:

Did she credit Led Zeppelin? 

 

She did 

[Monster2015 1,117]

30 minutes ago, vivre sa vie said:

She is NOT a musician! 60 ppl wrote for her and they used many many samples! that's the T! She is a performer and singer NOT a musician! Stop overpraising her! I doubt she knows basic sh*t about music composition! She has married one of the biggest producers with the biggest "connections" in music industry...she knows what she's doing! But she is still a good performer/singer and just that!

 

 

Also she's very good at vocal production and arranging harmonies in her albums especially 4. I agree with Prince that if she devoted more of herself she can really push herself past limits but don't say she doesn't know anything at all

[Supersonic 49,376]

This is why I hate stan culture.

Y'all have this romanticized idea of some god-like sole creator of a work and as soon as there is proof of somebody co-creating, y'all drag the sh*t out of them. Whenever somebody talks about Gaga taking beats y'all talk sh*t and whenever somebody starts talking about Beyoncé sampling stuff y'all talk sh*t.

Your ideas of what the creative process behind music should be like is just not the case in 99% of the music you actually listen to. Your idea of some genius creating in isolation matter of fact is obsolete and dumb as f*ck as well.

Jeff Koons literally only gives craftsmen the instructions to create his art, he is completely uninvolved during the process of actually creating, yet nobody questions his authorship. More than 90% of Rembrandt's paintings are actually collaborations between him and his students, or his students' work with him taking credit for it.

Stop being annoying twats.

[DeleteMyAccount 11,881]

I mean, if she credited those people then what's the problem? I don't see Beyonce talking about herself as this Goddess of Creativity... Moving on.

[rezjohnsen 1,548]

7 hours ago, Kim Kardashian said:

Such a personal album though.

Personal compilation of Beyoncé 

[Werk 13,166]

Lemonade sounds good but the amount of samples and all that is just.... 

[donutellha 13,819]

yall gonn **** when y'all realize poker face samples

and beyonce does not even write her own stuff

[donutellha 13,819]

6 minutes ago, Werk said:

Lemonade sounds good but the amount of samples and all that is just.... 

tru though

all my personal favorite parts are samples like the instrumental in hold up

[Bette Davis 12,742]

7 hours ago, Bebe said:

People about to start acting sassy as if it's easy or uncreative to be able to sample and collage songs from the early 60's to the late 00's and work with a long list of talented collaborators in order to create one cohesive piece of work.

Collaboration is the cornerstone of innovation and creativity. If anything I wish an artist like Gaga would collaborate more - not because I think she is an untalented writer/producer but because more minds and more talent no doubt produce a body of work with more depth, better sound and that draws from more varied experience than one person alone could ever bring to the table.

It’s undeniable that Beyoncé had her hand on the controls for the creation of every piece of this album. Beyoncé is a credited writer on every single song. She is also a credited producer on every track but one. She touched everything. She tweaked the lyrics. She remixed the vocals. She made decisions big and small and perfected her art until it was ready for public consumption.

Congratulations to Beyonce for being able to curate the ideas of so many incredible writes/producers. Congratulations to her for being able to direct such an ambitious project. 

That takes great talent  

Couldn't have said it better myself 

If people wonder why TFM and BTW were her best albums/eras, this is why. She was collaborating left and right with the best of the best instead of trying to do everything herself 

[Werk 13,166]

7 minutes ago, donutellha said:

tru though

all my personal favorite parts are samples like the instrumental in hold up

The samples go together great. 

[thierryrreiht 20,996]

8 hours ago, Kim Kardashian said:

Such a personal album though.

When will joanne

[StrawberryBlond 14,862]

Credited or not, I'm always a little bit disappointed when an album contains a lot of samples, particularly when it involves some of the best songs. You wonder if they would have been as good had it not been for the sample. A bit of sampling here and there is fine, but a whole album of it, some of it involving 3 samples per song? It just seems lazy and like no one can be bothered to come up with original content anymore. Sure, being able to sample all this work, some of it rather obscure, shows that you've got the knowledge of music history but that isn't a talent, it's knowledge. And you can tell when that knowledge has been bought by how much an artist is known for musical involvement. I believe that Kanye West, for example, uses samples heavily in his albums but I genuinely seeks out all these samples because he is known to be musically involved. Beyonce, I don't believe knows all this stuff. She totally employs a team to do it for her. So, not only if the production not hers, she didn't even find the sample herself. Not an artist who deserves to be praised as much as she is, in my opinion. Artists must create, not just give instruction.

6 hours ago, Harry said:

Everyone drags Bey for what literally every other star does. Even ARTPOP was mostly just Gaga singing over beats that were sent to her, some of them existed before ARTPOP was even a thing. How is this any different?

Because Beyonce is getting excessively praised by her fans to the point where they're acting as if she created it all by herself. If they were honest about her limited involvement and gave her team full credit, I wouldn't have a problem at all. When I see Beyonce get praised when she had limited involvement but other artists who had the same level or more of involvement get so/so reception, my mind's considering it to be unjust.

7 hours ago, Bebe said:

Jennifer Lawrence is talented, but we don't expect her to write, produce and direct the movies she stars in as well. We give the director of a big movie the credit they deserve for being the creative head of the movie even though they sometimes have 1000+ crew members working on everything from cinematography, editing, lighting, costumes to SPFX.

Because she's an actress, her one and only job is to act. But a singer can mean two things - someone who purely sings or someone who sings, writes and produces. The latter is called a singer/songwriter or an artist for a reason. Singers sing, artists create. Actors memorise some lines and speak them believably, an artist creates various concepts through music, film, paints, sculpture, etc. Acting and singing are two completely different mediums, they're incomparable. The same even with directing. You just can't compare them to a singer. Everyone knows this, which is why I've never seen anyone compare them, actually, until Beyonce's recent popularity that made certain people come up with this concept to give her more credibility.

[Supersonic 49,376]

3 minutes ago, Bette Davis said:

Couldn't have said it better myself 

If people wonder why TFM and BTW were her best albums/eras, this is why. She was collaborating left and right with the best of the best instead of trying to do everything herself 

That's not right. Even on BTW and TFM, her list of main collaborators/producers is remarkably short.

Born This Way:
RedOne
Fernando Garibay
DJ White Shadow
DJ Snake
Mutt Lange
Jeppe Laursen
Clinton Sparks

The Fame Monster:
RedOne
Fernando Garibay
Teddy Riley
Space Cowboy
Darkchild
Ron Fair

For Comparison, Joanne:
RedOne
Mark Ronson
BloodPop
Emile Haynie
Jeff Bhasker
Kevin Parker

Matter of fact, the The Fame Monster era IS the era where Gaga started doing everything herself, evidenced by her having production credits on each she wrote and released ever since.