Bebe 16,989 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 15 minutes ago, JDi said: Unfortunately I don't like repeating myself and correcting exaggerations keep saving the world tho Funny, the exact same thought raced through my head when I read this quote You have talked about how "Schneider was a junkie who spent the second half of her life looking for people and events to put the blame on." although, she wasn't a junkie before she did the shoot and Bertolucci admits that she hated him straight after the shoot So it doesn't seem to be that she decided to blame her problems on him decades after the fact. You have talked about how "she was a well-known actress in front of a camera and it was the 70s, not the 19th century. intimidated my ass. she could've said no yet she didn't even blink." But you ignore the fact that she was 19 years old at the time working with a renowned director and actor. Apparently even Brando felt manipulated by Bertolucci at times. This was a high budget movie set, where time = money and there is huge pressure to stay on schedule. We talking about a 19 year old girl who feels pressure to be professional and is being told by the Director and by Marlon Brando that she has to do a scene that wasn't in the original script. There was no penetration, but that doesn't mean there was no sexual assault. The director openly talks about wanting to humiliate Schneider, he admits to doing wrong by her and he admits that she hated him for what he and Brando did yet still you shrug it off. It's really incredible. Keep defending the powerful, rich white dudes. God knows they need our help. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDi 1,495 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 25 minutes ago, Bebe said: Funny, the exact same thought raced through my head when I read this quote You have talked about how "Schneider was a junkie who spent the second half of her life looking for people and events to put the blame on." although, she wasn't a junkie before she did the shoot and Bertolucci admits that she hated him straight after the shoot So it doesn't seem to be that she decided to blame her problems on him decades after the fact. You have talked about how "she was a well-known actress in front of a camera and it was the 70s, not the 19th century. intimidated my ass. she could've said no yet she didn't even blink." But you ignore the fact that she was 19 years old at the time working with a renowned director and actor. Apparently even Brando felt manipulated by Bertolucci at times. This was a high budget movie set, where time = money and there is huge pressure to stay on schedule. We talking about a 19 year old girl who feels pressure to be professional and is being told by the Director and by Marlon Brando that she has to do a scene that wasn't in the original script. There was no penetration, but that doesn't mean there was no sexual assault. The director openly talks about wanting to humiliate Schneider, he admits to doing wrong by her and he admits that she hated him for what he and Brando did yet still you shrug it off. It's really incredible. Keep defending the powerful, rich white dudes. God knows they need our help. thank you for being more classically ridiculous than I thought. I was about to reply to your melodrama. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epione 10,896 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 Sorry, but the excuse that director tricked him sounds pathetic. This is the same as someone would say to you jump in a fire. You are grown man and you know what you are doing to a child. This situation is disgusting. I've never was a fan of him, but it's still a sad thing to hear that something like this would happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elijahfan 25,294 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 Where he is now, I'm damn sure he doesn't give 2 shits about his rep, what a ridiculous question... Also, as a sidenote, we've known this story for literally a decade. It doesn't excuse anything, but Bertolucci has always been a controversial director, and the only people surprised today are definitely the ones that have only heard his name for the first time a few days ago. This is a waste of time, energy and media space. We have bigger issues to deal with today than getting shocked about something that happened literally more than 40 years ago to a group of people, most of whom are deceased today. Just for the record, Aleppo is being scrapped from the surface of the Earth at this very moment. Just sayin'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 95,614 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 He's dead. His reputation doesn't matter anymore to him. If you see me posting like crazy, I'm either bored or procrastinating. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bebe 16,989 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 4 minutes ago, JDi said: thank you for being more classically ridiculous than I thought. I was about to reply to your melodrama. That was actually a response to your "keep saving the world tho" finale from your previous quote. I thought you would clearly appreciate line as equally exaggerated and ridiculous If you're not going to contribute anything intelligent or interesting then please stop quoting me with your silly fluff. It's completely irrelevant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDi 1,495 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 Just now, Bebe said: That was actually a response to your "keep saving the world tho" finale from your previous quote. I thought you would clearly appreciate line as equally exaggerated and ridiculous If you're not going to contribute anything intelligent or interesting then please stop quoting me with your silly fluff. It's completely irrelevant. so that's what you think your game is. oh, but charming Ophelia. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGHunter 1,501 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 Hes dead Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SychosSoChic 9,995 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 doesn't matter he's dead, I doubt he cares Life ain't Hollywood for any one of us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrawberryBlond 14,304 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 Can't say for sure. Because it was more sexual assault than rape, there's a chance of recovering. But I like to think we are at a time now where information like this changes our perception of people and men can't get away with things just because they're men. But the fact that it took a man speaking up about it before people believed the woman who it actually happened to shows that we still have a long way to go. 5 hours ago, JDi said: she was a well-known actress in front of a camera and it was the 70s, not the 19th century. intimidated my ass. she could've said no yet she didn't even blink. Schneider was a junkie who spent the second half of her life looking for people and events to put the blame on. You clearly have no idea what it's like to be a woman. It doesn't matter whether it was 1970 or 1670 or 2016. Her reaction is completely understandable for any woman. We're raised to put up with mistreatment, that if a man wants sex with you, you should just let him, that to say no when a man wants you is simply rude, that to speak up about mistreatment is making a fuss and causing a scene, something that's liable to get you labelled a troublemaker and.or lose your job. For a woman, it's never as simple as "just saying no" even when you want to. When an older man who is bigger and stronger than you does something like this to you, you are frozen in time, so shocked that all thoughts of fighting back leave you. So many actresses have suffered from mistreatment from men on set but never speak a word for fear of losing their job, for fear that no one will want to work with her again, for fear of how the press will react to her story. Women are silenced through almost every aspect of their life. Maybe it's hard to imagine this when as a man, occupying a very different world, yet still living in the same one? And she only developed all these personal problems after this scene. Did her car crash of a life all stem from this moment of indignity? Maybe, maybe not. But to say that it had no factor to play at all is unbelievably crass? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarryTheKnight 2,181 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 Considering the Cosby Show is still going back on the air and Woody Allen is still making films/ getting Oscar nominations, I think this ANCIENT re-account of sexual harassment (not rape) will most certainly NOT affect Brando's reputation Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKANK 14,288 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 7 hours ago, JDi said: there was no penetration. there was no penetration with a buttered finger. she was aware of the scene. she was aware he's going to touch her butt cheeks. the butter was supposed to surprise her without making her quit the take. that's why she didn't. she was a well-known actress in front of a camera and it was the 70s, not the 19th century. intimidated my ass. she could've said no yet she didn't even blink. Schneider was a junkie who spent the second half of her life looking for people and events to put the blame on. the fact that it's been known for 10 years and it's only now that people are so outraged and just disgusted speaks volumes about our "progress". it's just the weather these days... ignorance crying "ignorance". modern classic. I agree with what you said and know that it's untrue that "it's only you who can't seem to see what everyone else can see." Keep challenging the hysteria. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterPan 0 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 I am pretty sure much worse things have been done in film. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PopThatArt 2,193 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Spoiler Um, Marlon Brando was gay. not bi. He and James Dean were lovers. Go see A Star is Born Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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