Netherlands to ban Burqa in public spaces

[Melech 9,900]

2 minutes ago, LG said:

It's to give legal power for you/the police to request someone remove any clothing covering their face... for example if someone walks into your store with their face covered you can legally request they remove anything covering their face and if they refuse they can be prosecuted for it. It really is a safety move and the only fearmongering is coming from the thread's title pointing out Burqas alone for whatever reason...

its the title of the article as well.

[venusfly 17,885]

Just now, Melech said:

its the title of the article as well.

Apologies for singling you out then, the article's title is only like that to get clicks and its completely misleading. But thats new-age media I guess

[Whispering 18,865]

3 minutes ago, ryanripley said:

sexism  

Missing the point and ignoring a genuine question. 

[ryanripley 86,575]

Just now, Whispering said:

Missing the point and ignoring a genuine question. 

what? you asked why and it's obvious that over time they oppressed women along with every other religion  forcing women to cover up purely cus they're women is sexism in my eyes  

[ryanripley 86,575]

3 minutes ago, LG said:

Apologies for singling you out then, the article's title is only like that to get clicks and its completely misleading. But thats new-age media I guess

huffpost relies on clicks because all they report is garbage

[lego 44,165]

2 minutes ago, Whispering said:

I've often wondered this...how did they get to this requirement? Why are some women required to cover even their eyes and some just the back of their hair? 

 

It's matter of interpretation and only minority wears it. Just like Haredi Jews have own interpretation of their scriptures 

 

 

[Whispering 18,865]

Just now, ryanripley said:

what? you asked why and it's obvious that over time they oppressed women along with every other religion  forcing women to cover up purely cus they're women is sexism in my eyes  

Still not an answer. How did it evolve? Why are there such stark differences in what is required? What scripture dictates that women should be covered in this fashion? It was a genuine question, wanting information and history, not a judgement. 

[ryanripley 86,575]

Just now, Whispering said:

Still not an answer. How did it evolve? Why are there such stark differences in what is required? What scripture dictates that women should be covered in this fashion? It was a genuine question, wanting information and history, not a judgement. 

gurl, sorry for replying  

[Whispering 18,865]

2 minutes ago, lego said:

 

It's matter of interpretation and only minority wears it. Just like Haredi Jews have own interpretation of their scriptures 

 

 

Minority? Most older girls/women wear a head covering of some sort. Where did that requirement come from? 

[Jonathanholland 5,429]

8 minutes ago, arctikstorm said:

Oh, you're totally right. They should do the same about lgbt people. Be whoever you want to be, just not in bigger public enviroments.

You totally miss the point here. The security issue is for most of the people in the Netherlands a big issue. People are scared because of the big immigration numbers and the terrorist attacks. The danger isn't in the attacks itself, but it's the reaction of the people to it. The Government is doing everything to ensure people are feeling safe, otherwise all these people will vote for Geert Wilders in March next year. If that happens we will have way bigger problems than this little restriction of  wearing burqa's in public places. For example Geert Wilders imposed the idea a couple of years ago for a 'kopvoddentax', a taxation for wearing a hijab. It means literally something like a head rag tax. I know all restrictions on freedom are bad, but the security issue has a priority now. Even in a country as liberal as the Netherlands. Times have changed 

[lego 44,165]

Just now, Whispering said:

Minority? Most older girls/women wear a head covering of some sort. Where did that requirement come from? 

 

That is hijab. You were asking about niqab? The face covering, which reveals only eyes? 

[Jonathanholland 5,429]

24 minutes ago, CowSiss said:

My question is if this is banning the hijab as well because hijab=/=burqa. If they're banning any face covering on the basis that it is a threat security and they ban the hijab, the Dutch parliament truly has no merit or knowledge on this issue. A hijab doesn't cover the face and doesn't pose a potential security threat that a burqa could potentially cause, as much as I hate to admit that because the burqa should be classified as a freedom of expression and religion. However, even though I may be clouded by my veil of American exceptionalism, they should not ban the hijab at all under the pretense that a hijab could be classified as a potential security threat. You can see someone's face clearly with a hijab, but whatever... ban what you must to help you sleep at night while you're infringing upon another's rights...

No the Hijab is still allowed. It's only about the Niqab and Burqa 

[Whispering 18,865]

Just now, JonathanHolland1 said:

The Government is doing everything to ensure people are feeling safe, otherwise all these people will vote for Geert Wilders in March next year. If that happens we will have way bigger problems than this little restriction of  wearing burqa's in public places. For example Geert Wilders imposed the idea a couple of years ago for a 'kopvoddentax', a taxation for wearing a hijab. It means literally something like a head rag tax. I know all restrictions on freedom are bad, but the security issue has a priority now. Even in a country as liberal as the Netherlands. Times have changed 

I just saw a special on this, how Brexit and Trump are evidence of a growing movement that will continue to spread. I wouldn't have thought this trend would continue in parts of Europe. Do you really think the more conservative candidates have a chance to win in the more liberal areas of Europe? 

[Whispering 18,865]

11 minutes ago, lego said:

 

That is hijab. You were asking about niqab? The face covering, which reveals only eyes? 

Well, actually I was asking about it all. What scripture did it come from originally and how was it taken to such extremes by some? What was the evolution of these requirements/guidelines? 

[Melech 9,900]

1 minute ago, Whispering said:

Missing the point and ignoring a genuine question. 

 

4 minutes ago, lego said:

 

 

 

 

the last pic is of yemenite Jews fleeing to Israel due to persecution and not Haredi. And it probably is one of the reason they wearing those because they just came from Yemen, where burqa is sadly really common.