Whispering 18,865 Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 9 minutes ago, ZacharyMark said: This is looking more like Pence won the election. I understand that Trump has advisors and such to speak with, but lately he seems to have a lot of backpedaling going on: the wall, Obamacare, etc. If Trump is anti-establishment, then why doesn't he surround himself with that same gimmick? "Draining the swamp" is not going to happen ever since Pence was picked from the beginning. "I'm going to drain the swamp and replace it with an even nastier, bigger swamp....I have the best swamps" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
christinahoney 383 Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 Yay! Awesome news! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeleteMyAccount 11,881 Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 Just now, Whispering said: "I'm going to drain the swamp and replace it with an even nastier, bigger swamp....I have the best swamps" I just don't see a lot happening under Trump's 4 years. Again, he's already going to surround himself with people who have been in Washington for years. He's backtracking on issues that weren't that realistic to begin with either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mary Jane Wayne 1,997 Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 Just now, YourSweet666 said: what the... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mary Jane Wayne 1,997 Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 Hereeee we go Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 2 minutes ago, ZacharyMark said: I just don't see a lot happening under Trump's 4 years. Again, he's already going to surround himself with people who have been in Washington for years. He's backtracking on issues that weren't that realistic to begin with either. It all depends on what Pence gets done. Lol The Republicans have all the power. A lot will get done, it might just be things that people who want society to progess are unhappy about. If the Supreme Court is involved, the changes will last for decades perhaps. We definitely won't be seeing the White House in rainbow colors for the next four years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
REALITY 80,162 Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 21 hours ago, Gaga Monster said: LA TIMES Are same-sex marriages at risk? No. Just as with abortion, the president can’t overturn a Supreme Court decision by himself, although he could appoint more conservative justices. Even then, the chance that the high court would reverse itself is very small. Unlike abortion, same-sex marriage has steadily gained in public approval. Trump could try to reverse some Obama administration rulings that favored same-sex couples on issues such as federal benefits. He hasn’t suggested that he would. And if he did, his decisions could be challenged in court. This is true. The only way a Supreme Court decision can be overturned is through the Supreme Court itself. Trump himself, or Pence himself, can't overturn things like Roe v. Wade or Obergefell v. Hodges, only the Supreme Court can. Even then, a case has to be taken up to the Supreme Court, which is unlikely. So, same-sex marriage and abortion are more than likely not going to be overturned. I just hope that we can come together and stop such homophobic, racist, misogynistic, and xenophobic things from happening during this Trump presidency. 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔪𝔬𝔫𝔰𝔱𝔢𝔯 𝔱𝔬𝔯𝔢 𝔞𝔴𝔞𝔶 𝔦𝔱𝔰 𝔪𝔞𝔰𝔨 𝔞𝔫𝔡...𝔦𝔱𝔰 𝔣𝔞𝔠𝔢 𝔴𝔞𝔰 𝔪𝔦𝔫𝔢. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeleteMyAccount 11,881 Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 1 minute ago, Whispering said: It all depends on what Pence gets done. Lol The Republicans have all the power. A lot will get done, it might just be things that people who want society to progess are unhappy about. If the Supreme Court is involved, the changes will last for decades perhaps. We definitely won't be seeing the White House in rainbow colors for the next four years. But what? Like I said, Trump is already backtracking on issues. And if it'll be mainly social issues that will be reversed or trumped on, then that goes against the whole idea that Trump fans want politics to stick with the economy and such. I'm sure he'll do more than stuff revolving around social issues, but it's hypocritical for Republicans to target any minority. They've focused their campaign on terrorism, jobs, and infrastructure. Republicans are tired of hearing about BLM or gay rights. So why target them? I'm hearing so much about "uniting", but that goes out the window if social progress is turned on it's head. And like I said, this will first be about Trump wanting anti-establishment, but will then realize that he's already part of it. Plus, Trump would be hypocrite if the WH doesn't turn into a rainbow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeleteMyAccount 11,881 Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 14 minutes ago, M Monstre said: This is true. The only way a Supreme Court decision can be overturned is through the Supreme Court itself. Trump himself, or Pence himself, can't overturn things like Roe v. Wade or Obergefell v. Hodges, only the Supreme Court can. Even then, a case has to be taken up to the Supreme Court, which is unlikely. So, same-sex marriage and abortion are more than likely not going to be overturned. I just hope that we can come together and stop such homophobic, racist, misogynistic, and xenophobic things from happening during this Trump presidency. I agree with what you said about SCOTUS. However, a new conservative judge can do lots of damage. We'll just have to wait. However, I don't understand why some folks, especially conservatives, are telling everyone to unite all of a sudden. Racism, homophobia, etc have all been happening for centuries now. It's just a little too late imo. I DO hope it stops, but no. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Die 1,864 Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 The way I see it, Trump Supporters are as anti-lgbt as the men they allowed into the White House. We should make an example of these people whenever they deny that a shitstorm is indeed coming. So that they can't run back to the community they are trying to destroy. Nod if you wanna make love with the enemy. ❤ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloody Matt 5,423 Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 1 hour ago, YourSweet666 said: What is this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 1 hour ago, ZacharyMark said: But what? Like I said, Trump is already backtracking on issues. And if it'll be mainly social issues that will be reversed or trumped on, then that goes against the whole idea that Trump fans want politics to stick with the economy and such. I'm sure he'll do more than stuff revolving around social issues, but it's hypocritical for Republicans to target any minority. They've focused their campaign on terrorism, jobs, and infrastructure. Republicans are tired of hearing about BLM or gay rights. So why target them? I'm hearing so much about "uniting", but that goes out the window if social progress is turned on it's head. And like I said, this will first be about Trump wanting anti-establishment, but will then realize that he's already part of it. Plus, Trump would be hypocrite if the WH doesn't turn into a rainbow. Lol, yeah the rainbow WH is over. But What? I gave you a long list of concerns yesterday, and you ignored it, but here is a list again: Obamacare shut down and a new healthcare system that is more suited to the middle class, instead of the working poor. Parental leave made available for the middle class, but not to those who are too poor where a tax break won't help. Defunding for Planned Parenthood that provides sexual and reproductive health care, education, information, and outreach to nearly five million women, men, and adolescents worldwide in a single year. A reversal of any progress of plans to combat climate change, and a green light on fracking, coal and other things that hurt our environment more. Decisions that hurt our allies or put them in danger. Tearing families apart through deportation. A ban on immigrants from certain regions of the world. A Religious Freedom Act that targets discrimination against those who are LGBT. An emphasis on "law and order" from the top and a climate of stop and frisk. An appointment of one to three extremely conservative Supreme Court justices who will keep Citizens United and make rulings that, at the very least, make it much more difficult to get an abortion or get married if you are gay. I could go on and on.... If you are a middle to upper class, white, straight male...you probably don't have much to be concerned about, especially if you don't care about the environment or climate change. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
imnotyourbabe10 6,120 Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 I've lived around 'Murica and am back in Indiana (sadly). Can, too, attest that Pence is a filthy hot mess. I understand that a lot of Trump's actions may not be as doom and gloom as they have seemed but I'm just not here for it for the next four years. Mainly concerned about Pence and the entire gov't being controlled by republicans and whoever gets appointed to the Supreme Court as vacancies arise. At least, at the end of these four years, we can look back and point fingers and say "Look, ya'll had full control over everything--what did you accomplish?" and hold them to that. A peaceful "one day at a time" for now--easier said than done, to be sure--or until things get out of control. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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