Turbogirl 32 Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 6 minutes ago, Lola said: and gaga has never stolen anything? madonna has a lot more songwriting credit than gaga, she's a co writer from almost all her songs. and that list of co writers is NOT long. gaga said she produced venus, but then we saw she took samples from a youtube artist and there were many other producers who worked on it. so she lied. gaga isnt that original either. but that said, aside from a few songs in a long career, 99% of madonna's songs are original and self written gaga fans and gaga have to stop making up things Not sure I get your reply. My post is based purely on the interview. IMO Gaga was defending her artistic ability and not saying "Madonna doesn't do these things". That in the context of the conversation, it wasn't her throwing shade at Madonna. That it was more about her, then saying someone doesnt do x and y. Dont know about the whole malicious theft accusations. But that seems like a whole different can of worms. Edit: okay because I brought up her right to defend it, I can understand your reply. If you don't agree that she has no right to defend herself because you think she's stolen stuff - okay. That's your opinion. But regardless of that, I'm still not seeing the shade being thrown. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLVC 7 Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 18 minutes ago, Turbogirl said: I mean to be fair, the media has been unusually harsh on her, and have used this criticism a lot to get a reaction from her. She's only human. And like I said context matters. Intent matters. Madonna comparisons = she steals her music, she apes things from others because she's not original. She is putting out a new album she put her all into, and someone in the media decides to awkwardly bring this up. Regardless of how you feel about Zane Lowe, the question wasn't set up as a discussion about how she feels. It felt like more bait as you put it. In that context, her comments were about defending herself as an artist. I truly think people taking this as "Madonna doesn't do this" - are taking it the wrong way. Her answer was more about defending herself against a specific criticism. I do think the way things transitioned made it sound like she's saying "she doesn't do this, but I do". But it seems silly to look at the whole context of the conversation, and then conclude that the entire point was to throw shade at her. Gaga even compliments her in the set up. Her anger was more directed towards the media (Zane in this case). I just think people are way too quick to react to something without looking at the intent and why it was said. Because what I see is not someone saying "they don't write their own music", rather "I'm being accused of ripping others off. But I'm a professionally trained musician and I play several instruments and write all my songs". I truly hope you're right and that its true that she was making two separate points and it was just worded poorly. Her body language and that pointed finger did herself no favors either. I don't know a lot about Zane Lowe as an interviewer, but it did seem like he was looking for click bait when he asked the question. Madonna does reference her father in a LOT of songs (Oh Father, Mother and Father, Rebel Heart, etc) but to compare the two is apples and oranges. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominic 11,922 Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 What she meant and what she actually said were two different things. She meant that she puts her all into her music so don't insult me by saying I copy or I'm like someone else when I built this from scratch all on my own. What she said though was Madonna doesn't write, play or have input into her music and I do so don't compare me to someone like that. It just didn't translate well is all. Media will probably pick up on it because everyone loves a catfight. Typical. The hardest thing in this world is to live in it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLVC 7 Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 3 minutes ago, Dominic Marc said: What she meant and what she actually said were two different things. She meant that she puts her all into her music so don't insult me by saying I copy or I'm like someone else when I built this from scratch all on my own. What she said though was Madonna doesn't write, play or have input into her music and I do so don't compare me to someone like that. It just didn't translate well is all. Media will probably pick up on it because everyone loves a catfight. Typical. The whole conversation and the fact that the media pits them against each other is sexist and demeaning to both of them. They are both incredibly talented women. There's a lot of misogyny and ageism in pop culture and when someone like Gaga diminishes Madonna's accomplishments, whether its intentional or not, is unfortunate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GagzDonkeyD 1,293 Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 I don't care I want gaga to shade her Madonna hated gaga for a long time we all know Madonna bitter shady and we all know gaga never try to shade or bring someone down 'reductive' comment still hurts me till this day let alone gaga herself I don't want her just to defend herself I expect her to fire back full force it's abt time to do so we all know how much hate gaga have received all those years especially from Madonna and her fans remember there's a website called putyourpawsdown.com dedicated to hate gaga and we all know who's running it if you want call this shade try putyourpawsdown.com you'll lose faith in humanity you can't imagine that kinda hate I actually feel sorry for that guy living in this amount of hatred and probably feeling good about himself that guys 40-50 years old and gaga just turned 30 what kinda people do that ? Ahhhhhhh, never mind .I'm just feel sorry for gaga . I wouldn't want that **** even if I have gagas fame and money Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLVC 7 Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 1 minute ago, Shawn Lee said: I don't care I want gaga to shade her Madonna hated gaga for a long time we all know Madonna bitter shady and we all know gaga never try to shade or bring someone down 'reductive' comment still hurts me till this day let alone gaga herself I don't want her just to defend herself I expect her to fire back full force it's abt time to do so we all know how much hate gaga have received all those years especially from Madonna and her fans remember there's a website called putyourpawsdown.com dedicated to hate gaga and we all know who's running it if you want call this shade try putyourpawsdown.com you'll lose faith in humanity you can't imagine that kinda hate I actually feel sorry for that guy living in this amount of hatred and probably feeling good about himself that guys 40-50 years old and gaga just turned 30 what kinda people do that ? Ahhhhhhh, never mind .I'm just feel sorry for gaga . I wouldn't want that **** even if I have gagas fame and money Madonna's reductive comment was specifically about one song (Born this Way). Personally, I ADORE Born This Way and I think its more than just a song, its an anthem and a political statement. But thematically and sonically its similar to "Express Yourself" (which I don't necessarily see as a bad thing.) Instead of owning up to that fact and saying she was inspired by another gay rights activist to write a song about empowerment, she oddly denied the similarities and said she was inspired by Whitney Houston, (??) who hadn't done much for our community. Madonna said "She has her thing. I do think she's a very talented singer and songwriter. It was just that ONE issue." You can't judge an artist by their fan base. Unfortunately the media picks up the fanatic monsters and makes them look far worse than Madonna fans (i.e. the petition online to "stop Madonna from exploiting the gay community" that made the blogs last year). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeDK 33 Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 21 minutes ago, Shawn Lee said: we all know how much hate gaga have received all those years especially from Madonna and her fans Madonna has not really been outspoken about Gaga, of course there were the situation with BTH/EY, but to be honest there are similarities between those songs... the good thing about Madonna is that she quite often ignore the nonsense other artists spew about her... which I'm pretty sure that she'll also do this time around.. about Madonna fans, that some Madonna fans behave badly has nothing to do with Madonna... just as Gaga is not to blame for the way some little monsters behave... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JusKeepBreathin 19,311 Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 Who cares? She is tired of comparisons and so is Madonna. "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." -Martin Luther King Jr. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakeSensePls 4 Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 basicly she says all Madonna does is that rehearsing over and over again for the same kind of show,moreover a choreo which is pointless thing to do bcuz it is the same choreo if u know what i mean so therefore its dragging and disrespectful if we are to put it in the right way meanwhile constrasting herself when she says she doesnt want to be disrespectfull.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyboi12 2,125 Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 Well it's true, madonna isn't behind the pen to a lot of her major hits Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLVC 7 Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 3 minutes ago, Boyboi12 said: Well it's true, madonna isn't behind the pen to a lot of her major hits Songs written by Madonna Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeDK 33 Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 4 minutes ago, Boyboi12 said: Well it's true, madonna isn't behind the pen to a lot of her major hits Not really, Madonna is at least the co-writer of most of her songs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLVC 7 Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 2 minutes ago, GeorgeDK said: Not really, Madonna is at least the co-writer of most of her songs. And sadly, because we live in such a sexist society, people would rather credit her male co-producers than her for her accomplishments. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy scheisse 22,254 Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 A true reverse warholian expedition. The dragged becomes the dragger! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyboi12 2,125 Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 8 minutes ago, GeorgeDK said: Not really, Madonna is at least the co-writer of most of her songs. Yeah like Beyoncé or Michael Jackson! Who given credit for something they didn't write... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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