ShockPop 7,747 Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 25 minutes ago, Himeros26 said: Racism is based on systemic oppression. Have white people ever been systemically oppressed? No. I'm not saying minorities cannot be prejudiced or biased but they cannot (by definition) be RACIST to white people Most slaves in Europe were poor white men. My town has the record of the most recently closed slave factory. And fyi being prejudiced against a race is racism, regardless of the victim. The petty argument about historical behaviour is moot. It's like saying women can't be sexist because historically, women were the victims of sexism. So yeah, nitpicking is pointless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Himeros26 1,688 Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 2 minutes ago, ShockPop said: Most slaves in Europe were poor white men. My town has the record of the most recently closed slave factory. And fyi being prejudiced against a race is racism, regardless of the victim. The petty argument about historical behaviour is moot. It's like saying women can't be sexist because historically, women were the victims of sexism. So yeah, nitpicking is pointless. White people as a whole have never been systemically oppressed, so "nitpicking is pointless" I have no idea what it will take for white people to realize that they did this to themselves and stop playing the victim all the time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShockPop 7,747 Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 Just now, Himeros26 said: White people as a whole have never been systemically oppressed, so "nitpicking is pointless" I have no idea what it will take for white people to realize that they did this to themselves and stop playing the victim all the time Yeah, stupid white people. We should gas them or something. That'd be totally unracist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmm 879 Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 8 minutes ago, Himeros26 said: I'm not reading the rest because your first response proves you are choosing to continue being arrogant This is not how arguments go, if someone chooses to be ignorant, call them out on it but saying I wont respond because you are wrong is just a week way of trying to ignore my argument. To argue with someone, it is important that the two do not agree with each other and im sure you red the rest of the comment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 57 minutes ago, Fay said: Yes there has been official founders of the movement that march, give speeches and attack people and they are all praised by their members and people.. it doesnt matter if its official or not, the fact is most of the people who join this group are toxic. You act like them so im not expecting you to understand any of this. The thing with ideologies is this, when you put yourself in a box, you can wrap that box in a fancy golden wrap paper and stick a big red bow on it and make it look beautiful but there is always going to be toxic **** seeping out from under the box. You can tell everyone you have nothing to do with this toxic **** and that may be true but the fact remains that the toxic **** is spewing from the box you put yourself in Once again, there is way more to this general movement than the actual organization. The majority of people who are joining this movement and showing support for racial equality are not toxic. Your last comment in the first paragraph is straight up rude, as you know absolutely nothing about me. This "box" you keep going on about is a general movement that supports the concepts and ideas of racial equality and justice system reform and takes a stand against racial profiling and police brutality....which is exactly what I stated that Gaga is advocating for and concerned about. There is absolutely nothing toxic about that "box". It's a "box" that I fully support and am proud to be in! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 American BLM movement is amazing and it's becoming global, there were BLM marches in UK, Israel, France, South Africa, Finland etc. against police brutality and racism in their own countries or in support of African Americans. ✌🏼️✌🏼️✌🏼️ FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacc77 0 Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 Why would she dedicate the song to a homophobic thug, who attacked another man because he thought he was gay? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nullandvoid 189 Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 So instead of hyping about the first live performance of possibly the best song (a la "Marry the Night//Born This Way//Bloody Mary is my favorite") with the most poetic backdrop (and I'm sure a glorious monologue and interruption) we get it back to top of the trending now chart just over harsh words and interpretations and personal inflections? Spread the love spread the liiIIINK Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcOMFG 219 Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 ANYWAY, this song is beautiful and she looks stunning in those photos! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stone S 1,133 Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 1 hour ago, jcOMFG said: ANYWAY, this song is beautiful and she looks stunning in those photos! oh my god lmao but you're right Welcome to Industria Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProfessionalClown 10,647 Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 11 hours ago, Luc said: So first you write an essay about how much you hate BLM, and then close your post by shouting 'IF SOMEONE DISAGREES, MOVE ON!' - in capital letters? So, let's state the FACTS: - BLM is a big movement and, like in any big group of people, has bad apples. You cannot discredit the whole BLM movement based on a few examples of misconduct by a small percentage of its members. Don't generalise. - Black people ARE targeted more by police than other races in the US. Unless you pull some radical scepticist Descartes argument you cannot possibly debunk that black people are more likely to be mistreated by police in any way (for example being pulled over for having a 'suspiciously' good car for a black person). - It is not BLM that victimizes people, it simply gives attention to already existant victims. Saying BLM victimizes black people is like saying Gaga victimizes people who have been raped by writing TIHTY. No! These people have already been raped and thus already are victims. Black people are already victims of society and BLM merely raises awareness of this fact. BLM merely raises awareness to the fact that black people are still discriminated against in many ways. If you don't support BLM it means you deny that black people face discrimination, racism and oppression which would be extremely worrying. You do not have to agree with everything BLM says to support the fact that they're raising awareness about racism. I don't support statements like 'white people suck', 'you cannot discriminate against white people' or 'all/most cops are racist' but that doesn't mean I don't support their goals. I hope you at least realize and admit that black people face discriminatiom/racism in many different ways and that that is a problem that deserves attention. I didnt write "an essay on why i hate BLM" I stated reasons why people hate it, and why people stand by it. Also, the reason why i stated all this is because people are talking about basically just that in the damn forum here. -BLM is a big movement, and yes there are some bad apples, but lets just say the entire apple tree is rotting. -Black people ARE NOT targeted more. Look at actual statistics. Most black people are killed by other blacks and cops kills more white and hispanics than they do black. However, they do arrest black people the most. -BLM (founders and people) have openly explained and said WHITE GUILT is a thing and that black people are still victims, thus victimizing black people even though they arent as of today. -BLACK PEOPLE DONT FACE DISCRIMINATION LIKE IN THE 40'S/50'S. Yes, obviously there is racism. There are extremists. That doesn't mean we live in a time where its fully acceptable to be racist. I mean if we were still so racist then how come so many people say sh it to Trump? Shouldn't people be praising his racism then? Im a POC myself and i have never felt in any way threatened by cops nor have many of my family members. Im more worried about people in my own community who might shoot at me for wearing blue in certain parts of my neighborhood. -The problem AT THE MOMENT does NOT need attention. Are blacks killed daily on the basis of JUST BEING BLACK? No. Are blacks called ni**ers on the daily? No Are people stopping them from getting jobs based on skin color? No. Name how oppressed POC's are now. I'll wait, because i've yet to even experience a glimpse of what "oppression" i should be facing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsn 1,648 Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 I knew this thread would get messy past the first page anyway yaaaaas gaga come thru with the activism Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swando 300 Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 16 hours ago, Himeros26 said: Racism is based on systemic oppression. Have white people ever been systemically oppressed? No. I'm not saying minorities cannot be prejudiced or biased but they cannot (by definition) be RACIST to white people Do you even use a dictionary ? Tell me, no i'm going to challenge you. Find me a propper well established dictionary where the word Racism is bend that way, here's a few of my sources going against your definiton. http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/racism https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/racism http://www.dictionary.com/browse/racism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism These links are from one small search on google. Now i did read a few articles calling the oxforddictionary biased. But the writer's reasoning is the exact same as people saying Racism is and exclusive term. They start off by saying "black people can't be racist" and explain it via nothing but discriminative remarks mixed with American history. Now i ask you. WHY would ANYONE justify that quote with a paradoxical statement? Truth is, anyone who dares to look from high up above the battlefield. Can see how none of the groups have any wish to understand eachother. And they don't have to, because the system in America is so dependant on personal economy. I have no wish to see a future where the people in America are so separated. But the very sentence "Black people can't be racist" IS ONLY going to further the seperation, you are not doing ANYTHING but biting people at their throats if you state such a thing. In fact, your promoting the same idea that was a major reason for societies view on "race" back then - "Different rules for different ethnicities". Am i going to judge though? no, cause the made up term "Black people can't be racist" has been forced into people's minds using american history, with absolute no regard for the definiton of the word, nor humanity's history of using racism as a mind-control tool. IF people want this thing to change. They need to stop blaming racism as the "big bad", and start blaming the American foundation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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