Leaf 2,429 Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 I rest my case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 19 minutes ago, Leaf said: Accusations and allegations, which have no merit or foundation on evidence. I deal in evidence (that I provided), and to which you had no intellectual or substantive response to. The only evidence against Bill is a testimony, the same holds true for Trump. Are they both rapists? Yes or no? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 3 minutes ago, Fay said: The first videos is from one of the biggest news channels in the world.. the second video is a real documentary in haiti.. the third video is a big protests by the people of haiti.. none of these are truther idiocy or conspiracy! I did say I did not want to get into this yet you insisted and now you tell me you wont response because of my uneducated comments! Also, I did not just post videos, I also commented about Hilary and Haiti which you ignored. In your two comments, you have made zero argument.. all you said is that I was wrong and you are right! Dont even waste your time responding to this as you seem to be very defensive and taking this personally. From one of the biggest news channels in the world? On YouTube, maybe. Anyone can make a YouTube channel. I'm not taking it personally, I'm just tired of arguing because we aren't getting anywhere. The Clinton Foundation will not take money from foreign governments while she is in office. The fact is, the money the foundation gets does a lot of good all over the world, and there is no evidence of money being used for anything but charity. Period. There isn't. You say it's pay to play, but I have seen no evidence that any of her policy positions have changed because of a donation. It's an easy thing to try and create these narratives, but it's harder to prove them. This, like everything in politics, is a complex issue with many factors. You need to be willing to look at this objectively from many angles, and you don't seem to be ready to do that. I have seen your points and videos like the ones you posted before. I have already considered these things when coming to my conclusions. I don't mean to be rude and I encourage you, everyone, and myself to constantly seek more information in order to create a more well-rounded and factual view of what is actually happening. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 18 minutes ago, stvn said: lol this is all such bs youtube truther idiocy, and I'm tired of responding to your uneducated comments. this is just absolutely without basis in reality. the clinton foundation gives almost all of its money directly to causes around the world. you're on some conspiracy stuff, just so you know. I would love to enlighten you further, as I've been trying to do, but you aren't receptive to the truth so I'm done I think. Clinton Cash and all the similar videos you've just copy/pasted without any understanding of what you're saying has already been thoroughly debunked. He's a Trump supporter who gets his BS from Brietbart and crazy conspiracy alt right sights. Can't you tell? The whole "I didn't know that about the justice system" was straight up bullshit! His refusal to even try to understand the most basic information exposed him. You shouldn't waste anymore of your time on this, as he has now jumped to his conspiracy Haiti BS he pulls out every time he gets backed in a corner and proven wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Just now, Whispering said: He's a Trump supporter who gets his BS from Brietbart and crazy conspiracy alt right sights. Can't you tell? The whole "I didn't know that about the justice system" was straight up bullshit! His refusal to even try to understand the most basic information exposed him. You shouldn't waste anymore of your time on this, as he has now jumped to his conspiracy Haiti BS he pulls out every time he gets backed in a corner and proven wrong. good to know! biggest news channel in the world, yeah right. i'm done with it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bebe 17,289 Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 6 minutes ago, Leaf said: I rest my case. Ahhh yes! The famous video of Michelle Obama perfectly managing to construct a convincing argument laying out why it's okay for Bill Clinton to be called a rapist, yet not Donald Trump! The video really does perfectly fit with the discussion we have had! Congratulations, you're case really is water tight. To be completely honest, it seemed like you had been backed into a corner, I almost expected you to completely divert attention away from what was being discussed and create a strawman by arguing against a point nobody was making! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmm 879 Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 4 minutes ago, stvn said: From one of the biggest news channels in the world? On YouTube, maybe. Anyone can make a YouTube channel. I'm not taking it personally, I'm just tired of arguing because we aren't getting anywhere. The Clinton Foundation will not take money from foreign governments while she is in office. The fact is, the money the foundation gets does a lot of good all over the world, and there is no evidence of money being used for anything but charity. Period. There isn't. You say it's pay to play, but I have seen no evidence that any of her policy positions have changed because of a donation. It's an easy thing to try and create these narratives, but it's harder to prove them. This, like everything in politics, is a complex issue with many factors. You need to be willing to look at this objectively from many angles, and you don't seem to be ready to do that. I have seen your points and videos like the ones you posted before. I have already considered these things when coming to my conclusions. I don't mean to be rude and I encourage you, everyone, and myself to constantly seek more information in order to create a more well-rounded and factual view of what is actually happening. RT is one of the most known news channels in the world ON TV You only made one comment and the second comment you dismissed me so what are you tired of exactly? I am not biased as I am not a republican or a democrat and I do not support any of the candidates.. I am a Libertarian and I believe all government are corrupted and steal money from other countries by being friends with dictators and using its people. I live in one of these countries and we know what happens. This applies to Hilary and anyone else that is in government including Libertarians like Gary Johnson. So no I am not biased. As for talking about Hilary, I am not interested in getting into this conversation with you as I mentioned from the beginning yet you insisted and acted very dismissive and a bit rude so im sorry but im not interested in wasting my time. I have a short temper and I cant handle when people act this way thats why I have 7 warnings and im trying to be respectful as much as I can. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 17 minutes ago, Bebe said: None of what you just said has any relevance to what is being discussed There is also no logical link between Bill Clinton settled a claim out of court with a cash payment and "By extension Hillary is a war criminal." I mean at this point it's impossible to talk to you. Your statements are bizarre and erratic. Let me try once more: Women have accused Bill Clinton of raping and sexually assaulting/raping them. One such case lead to an out of court settlement. Based on this evidence you conclude: It's a fact that Bill Clinton is a rapist. Women have accused Donald Trump of raping and sexually assaulting/raping them. One such case lead to an out of court settlement. Based on this evidence, is your conclusion on Donald Trump the same? Both have multiple women accuse them, both have settled such cases out of court. You realize this is what it's like to talk to Trump. Denying reality and creating some alternate reality are Trump's ways to communicate and debate. The same seems to hold true for many of his followers. Many don't live in the world that everyone else is living in. Spending time in the echo chamber of the alt right distorts reality and screws up reasoning and logic. You simply can't argue logic with the completely illogical. That's why Hillary doesn't even try to have a detailed discussion of policies with Trump! Remember the Democratic debates and how they were full of discussion and debate that was on a completely different level? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 13 minutes ago, stvn said: good to know! biggest news channel in the world, yeah right. i'm done with it You know, RT....the channel for the Trumpsters. I don't blame you. Stick around, though, Welcome to GGD! You came at a good time! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Just now, Whispering said: You know, RT....the channel for the Trumpsters. I don't blame you. Stick around, though, Welcome to GGD! You came at a good time! Thanks, I am a longtime lurker. Finally decided to sign up. Been a fan since I met Gaga in 2008! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bebe 17,289 Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 4 minutes ago, Whispering said: You realize this is what it's like to talk to Trump. Denying reality and creating some alternate reality are Trump's ways to communicate and debate. The same seems to hold true for many of his followers. Many don't live in the world that everyone else is living in. Spending time in the echo chamber of the alt right distorts reality and screws up reasoning and logic. You simply can't argue logic with the completely illogical. That's why Hillary doesn't even try to have a detailed discussion of policies with Trump! Remember the Democratic debates and how they were full of discussion and debate that was on a completely different level? Oh completely, you could see it in the last debate with Trump somehow jumping from the leaked tapes and his bragging about sexual assault to ISIS. I give up tbh haha. I was going to quote a Trump supporter in another thread but quickly decided against it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Church 849 Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 8 hours ago, Seeka said: Why don't you worry about your own government for a change? I can't wrap my mind around how ignorant this statement is. How can you say that? America is a mess, but still a massive influence on the rest of the world. If you don't think the whole world should be watching this election, paying attention, having proactive thoughts & opinions then you're in for a wake up call. kiss kiss Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeka 12,372 Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 1 hour ago, Church said: I can't wrap my mind around how ignorant this statement is. How can you say that? America is a mess, but still a massive influence on the rest of the world. If you don't think the whole world should be watching this election, paying attention, having proactive thoughts & opinions then you're in for a wake up call. No, I'm speaking to this user in particular, who is obsessed with our politics, our country, but seems to have no actual interest in doing anything. They want to do nothing in protest, which, in turn, brings about absolutely nothing. And throughout this thread, and many others, they have shown their complete ignorance on how our political system actually works. Everyone is sick of their comments, especially when they are coming off as a SJW more than someone who actually cares about the planet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
besus 132 Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 5 hours ago, Leaf said: *which he settled out of court with a cash payment, and Monica Lewinsky By extension Hillary is a war criminal. What are you even talking about? I don't understand why everyone is entertaining your + Fay's frothing hatred for Hillary Clinton. Neither of you cares if you're given legitimate counter points, and you just keep repeating the same **** over and over again. Sayonara, wig, ain't worth anybody's time talking to you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pharamon 6,839 Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 10 hours ago, Seeka said: Why don't you worry about your own government for a change? that's the stupidest response i have ever seen in my entire life... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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