What does Gaga have left to prove?

[Phoenix 17,395]

that she's not a fad

[CLLGaga 928]

19 minutes ago, Bebe said:

It feels like you are missing the point though, you are talking like the type I mention in OP who  need her to be successful so she can 'reclaim her throne' or some other ludicrous reason".

She has had a spectacular career, she has achieved more than most can dream of and she can pursue any project she wants. I'm happy that her focus is still on music, as obviously I'm a fan of her music but the girl could spend her time as a lead actress on AHS and other shows if she wanted. 

She could release more albums with Tony Bennett, do some work with Elton, write for Broadway, release a totally obscure avant garde album, she could become an editor for a fashion mag, she could spend more time learning from Marina Abramovic and become a high brow performance artist.

If the future music she creates has less commercial impact than she had in her imperial phase who cares? Especially why would Gaga care? In a lot of ways I genuinely couldn't think of anything more boring than Gaga adjusting what she wants to make creatively in order to appeal to a pop market better.

I couldn't think of anything more boring than seeing Gaga continue to 'compete' in this pop music market for what? So people can't say "LOL that Gaga girl who won all those grammys, wrote iconic songs, had iconic music videos, had iconic performances, made an album with Tony Bennett, won multiple grammys, won a golden globe, had work in the louvre, made over $250 million, starred in a hit T.V show, toured the world, contributed to a movie ect was such a fad!!!"? I mean how lame. 

She could release more albums with Tony Bennett, do some work with Elton, write for Broadway, release a totally obscure avant garde album, she could become an editor for a fashion mag, she could spend more time learning from Marina Abramovic and become a high brow performance artist.

She could do anything she wants, but she'll always be better at making pop music.

In a lot of ways I genuinely couldn't think of anything more boring than Gaga adjusting what she wants to make creatively in order to appeal to a pop market better.

It takes more talent and effort to do both. Gaga said that she wants to make songs that "relate to ppl all over the world". Not only 900k obsessive Little Monsters who eat up anything she serves whether its good or not.  It would be a waste of her talent if she doesn't try to do both for all of her songs. 

I couldn't think of anything more boring than seeing Gaga continue to 'compete' in this pop music market for what? So people can't say "LOL that Gaga girl who won all those grammys, wrote iconic songs, had iconic music videos, had iconic performances, made an album with Tony Bennett, won multiple grammys, won a golden globe, had work in the louvre, made over $250 million, starred in a hit T.V show, toured the world, contributed to a movie ect was such a fad!!!"? I mean how lame. 

You got to understand that nobody knows or cares about any of her awards and side endeavors. When ppl think of Gaga they don't think "LOL that Gaga girl who won all those grammys, wrote iconic songs, had iconic music videos, had iconic performances, made an album with Tony Bennett, won multiple grammys, won a golden globe, had work in the louvre, made over $250 million, starred in a hit T.V show, toured the world, contributed to a movie ect". They think "that girl that sang Poker Face and wears crazy outfits everyday. She has a **** lmao!!" 

[Gagafy 296]

1 hour ago, Bebe said:

But from Gaga's perspective what does she have left to prove? Why should she care where her song charts? She has been the biggest star on the planet, she has been there and done that. From her perspective, why wouldn't she just make great songs that she loves and not worry about charts?

Well, stop being delusional. She has not done anything to be qualified as legend yet.

Michael jackson, Madonna, Britney Spears, Whitney Houston, do you think they became legends just with 1-2 albums and a few singles? They stay relevant for many years with good songs and albums. Ten years, that's the minimum I would say.

Like Adele said, and which is very true, "I've always said you're only as good as your next record".

If she just want to be a basic singer that nobody wants anymore, so be it, close that chapter and fans like this should stop asking question. She will just be an artist that people would remember as someone like Berlinda Carlisle, Irene Cara and 4 Non Blondes.

I will say this again, typical fans would cheer loud when Gaga hit no.1, but when she flops ... "charts are flops, charts are for basics only".

[Bebe 17,093]

2 minutes ago, CLLGaga said:

She could release more albums with Tony Bennett, do some work with Elton, write for Broadway, release a totally obscure avant garde album, she could become an editor for a fashion mag, she could spend more time learning from Marina Abramovic and become a high brow performance artist.

She could do anything she wants, but she'll always be better at making pop music.

In a lot of ways I genuinely couldn't think of anything more boring than Gaga adjusting what she wants to make creatively in order to appeal to a pop market better.

It takes more talent and effort to do both. Gaga said that she wants to make songs that "relate to ppl all over the world". Not only 900k obsessive Little Monsters who eat up anything she serves whether its good or not.  It would be a waste of her talent if she doesn't try to do both for all of her songs. 

I couldn't think of anything more boring than seeing Gaga continue to 'compete' in this pop music market for what? So people can't say "LOL that Gaga girl who won all those grammys, wrote iconic songs, had iconic music videos, had iconic performances, made an album with Tony Bennett, won multiple grammys, won a golden globe, had work in the louvre, made over $250 million, starred in a hit T.V show, toured the world, contributed to a movie ect was such a fad!!!"? I mean how lame. 

You got to understand that nobody knows or cares about any of her awards and side endeavors. When ppl think of Gaga they don't think "LOL that Gaga girl who won all those grammys, wrote iconic songs, had iconic music videos, had iconic performances, made an album with Tony Bennett, won multiple grammys, won a golden globe, had work in the louvre, made over $250 million, starred in a hit T.V show, toured the world, contributed to a movie ect". They think "that girl that sang Poker Face and wears crazy outfits everyday. She has a **** lmao!!" 

"She could do anything she wants, but she'll always be better at making pop music."

That's you're opinion  I'd love to see her do a solo Jazz album, I'm generally a bigger fan of her deeper album cuts that are less commercially viable. It's not really the point anyway, why should she close herself off from what she wants to do? She can do anything she wants at this point. 

"It takes more talent and effort to do both. Gaga said that she wants to make songs that "relate to ppl all over the world". Not only 900k obsessive Little Monsters who eat up anything she serves whether its good or not.  It would be a waste of her talent if she doesn't try to do both for all of her songs."

It doesn't, she has said this year that while it's nice to have chart success it's not why she writes music. You can make really great stuff that isn't necessarily commercially viable, if you think otherwise then we will just have to agree to disagree. I think your position is very narrow minded. Most of my favourite musicians would never be able to reach the heights that Gaga is at right now never mind at her peak. You can't be completely creatively free while also forcing yourself to make music that is also commercially viable.

"You got to understand that nobody knows or cares about any of her awards and side endeavors. When ppl think of Gaga they don't think "LOL that Gaga girl who won all those grammys, wrote iconic songs, had iconic music videos, had iconic performances, made an album with Tony Bennett, won multiple grammys, won a golden globe, had work in the louvre, made over $250 million, starred in a hit T.V show, toured the world, contributed to a movie ect". They think "that girl that sang Poker Face and wears crazy outfits everyday. She has a **** lmao!!""
 

Who cares what they think? She has achieved all that stuff. She has had one of the most spectacular, diverse and incredible careers imaginable. Why does she need to prove anything to the people who think "that girl that sang Poker Face and wears crazy outfits everyday. She has a **** lmao!!"? Again how f*cking lame. What a lame excuse, what a lame reason to chase #1 hits.

She has had an amazing career and she continues to have an incredible career. So what that she isn't performing the same way commercially as she did in 2010? Why tf should she care about any of that? It doesn't seem like a good reason for someone in Gaga's position to stop making the music she wants to make and stop pursuing the projects she wants to pursue and start working to make music that is charts focused.

[Bebe 17,093]

11 minutes ago, Gagafy said:

Well, stop being delusional. She has not done anything to be qualified as legend yet.

Michael jackson, Madonna, Britney Spears, Whitney Houston, do you think they became legends just with 1-2 albums and a few singles? They stay relevant for many years with good songs and albums. Ten years, that's the minimum I would say.

Like Adele said, and which is very true, "I've always said you're only as good as your next record".

If she just want to be a basic singer that nobody wants anymore, so be it, close that chapter and fans like this should stop asking question. She will just be an artist that people would remember as someone like Berlinda Carlisle, Irene Cara and 4 Non Blondes.

I will say this again, typical fans would cheer loud when Gaga hit no.1, but when she flops ... "charts are flops, charts are for basics only".

What are you talking about? I haven't mentioned Gaga being a 'Legend' and it's not something I'm concerned with.

All I care about is Gaga making cool music, if Gaga was remembered like Berlinda Carlisle, Irene Cara and 4 Non Blondes that would be great

[PartySick 159,822]

1 hour ago, Nino said:

 

Michael Jackson is remembered for 2 smash hit  albums. Something tells me GaGa will be okay.

Thriller and Bad? Some people consider Off the Wall his other smash but I lean towards Bad

Regardless, his sales continued to dwindle after Thriller. He sold 7 million with Invincible in 2001 and that was considered a failure for him but by other artists' standards, that's a solid success. I feel like Gaga experiences that same success. Take ARTPOP, 2.5-3 million sold and it's a flop? Where? Maybe compared to her other albums but that's still objectively a commercial success

I feel like she'll enjoy moderate success for the rest of her career no matter what. The important thing is that she takes care of herself and creates music that she believes in 'cause if her heart is in it, it'll be good, and as an added bonus, it'll probably sell pretty well.

Anyway, to answer OP, not a damn thing

[SMILE2NE1 3,566]

Prove major artistic success and dominance without the presence of DADA

[Gagafy 296]

6 minutes ago, Bebe said:

What are you talking about? I haven't mentioned Gaga being a 'Legend' and it's not something I'm concerned with.

All I care about is Gaga making cool music, if Gaga was remembered like Berlinda Carlisle, Irene Cara and 4 Non Blondes that would be great

Just read again and stop being delusional, she hasn't proved anything.

[Gagafy 296]

2 hours ago, Nino said:

 

Michael Jackson is remembered for 2 smash hit  albums. Something tells me GaGa will be okay.

by this definition, Adele = Michael Jackson already 

[YeehawKylie 7,817]

I think people want her to prove she's capable of producing "The Fame Monster" caliber work. People try to say she was a one trick pony who never matched that success. They want to see her be a major force in pop culture again, to dominate like she once did. 

Not sure she cares to do that, though. 

[VTV 12,825]

True. 

Just because she's a has been doesnt mean she's done.

[Gagafy 296]

1 minute ago, koonsisme said:

I think people want her to prove she's capable of producing "The Fame Monster" caliber work. People try to say she was a one trick pony who never matched that success. They want to see her be a major force in pop culture again, to dominate like she once did. 

Not sure she cares to do that, though. 

I'm not too sure if she doesn't care totally. If an artist has no target to achieve, the artist might just release songs for free on youtube and spotify. You could find artist like this all over the place, undiscovered. 

[DeanWinchester 41,390]

2 hours ago, Angel Down said:

Well she would have to prove her longetivity as a successful artist I guess.

 This. Literally the only thing Gaga has yet to prove.

She has had sales, in the form of multiplatinum albums and diamond singles. She has had #1s. She has the acclaim in the form of awards and good/decent metacritic scores with her main albums. She has had a huge grossing tour. She just needs to show longevity.

[Bebe 17,093]

20 minutes ago, Gagafy said:

Just read again and stop being delusional, she hasn't proved anything.

She has proven she can be a major pop star  She has proven she can sing Jazz with Tony Bennett, she has proven she can write pop hits, she has proven she can shock people with her talent, she has accomplished more than most can dream off. This isn't about her being or not being a 'legend'.

You are missing my point so let me lay it out like this to maybe help you understand better. 

Look at even semi-popular acts like Grimes. She makes great music, she has a fanbase and she is free to make music that she likes without worrying about charts. She has a career, she can make a living from music, she can make the music she wants. Why should an artist like Grimes care about scoring a #1 hit? I mean great if she does! But why should that be her focus? She is already in a position where she can create what she wants to create and can make a living of her music.

Gaga is in an even greater position. She has already accomplished so much, she has made a fortune and she still has exciting projects ahead of her. Why in her position should she care about chart success?? She can make whatever music she wants at this point, she can pursue a wide range of projects. 

Why should Gaga be bogged down in trying to prove anything? Why would someone in Gaga's position care about charts? 

How is it delusional on any level to ask why Gaga needs to prove herself?

[DeanWinchester 41,390]

2 hours ago, Nino said:

Beyonce's defining hits also mainly came from only I Am Sasha Fierce.

Crazy in Love? Irreplaceable? Naughty Girl?