Why old Gaga fans struggle with new Gaga

[SKANK 14,288]

12 minutes ago, jinko said:

I'm sorry but I'm curious - on what basis do you say that Gaga's new project 'lacks quality'? You say it with so much conviction it "sounds" like a hard fact.

 

It's not a fact, it is just my opinion. An opinion that is no more valid then your own.

 

[Gagas love 722]

2 hours ago, faysalaaa1 said:

No its simply because I love theatrical art thats why I never listen to Pop music but Lady Gaga and now all that is gone

This is theatrical arts. Lol. 

What's more theatrical than making strong ragey emotions shine through? Or have a character that changed constantly but maintains the spirit? Gaga is Stefanie way of expressing herself.  So is Jo Calderone. And she's playing a character for Joanne. She went all jazz. She's rebellious by nature and she created a pop culture through her art and in a way become a mediator between underground music and the mainstream. Now she's bringing it back up. That's rebellious. I mean if that's not theatrical art I don't know what is lol. She shocked we. We expected something. We got something else, she shocked we by giving we something fresh from what is out there. 

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26 minutes ago, Gagas love said:

This is theatrical arts. Lol. 

What's more theatrical than making strong ragey emotions shine through? Or have a character that changed constantly but maintains the spirit? Gaga is Stefanie way of expressing herself.  So is Jo Calderone. And she's playing a character for Joanne. She went all jazz. She's rebellious by nature and she created a pop culture through her art and in a way become a mediator between underground music and the mainstream. Now she's bringing it back up. That's rebellious. I mean if that's not theatrical art I don't know what is lol. She shocked you. You expected something. You got something else, she shocked you by giving you something fresh from what is out there. 

You are talking about her whole career while im talking about one song and her visuals of this era.. and her being rebellious this era has nothing to do with her being theatrical.

[Gagas love 722]

At the end of the day, she does it for money. It's work. How would her art help reach and heal others? Well she's totally contracted. Obliged. And personally, as a massage therapist sometimes I get clients who wanna tell me prior to the massage beginning ,what to do when I know how to do my job. Makes you wanna rebel because they are acting like you're a slave. And she's like no, I'ma do the best I can and if you don't want it, bye but also bye either way. But honestly , I believe she needs to open a label. The JoanneXBorn This Way music label 

[Gagas love 722]

1 hour ago, SKANK said:

 

It's not a fact, it is just my opinion. An opinion that is no more valid then your own.

 

You have a point there but

Have you ever though of how maybe your message is just being delivered incorrectly and not portraying the right emotion? 

Some words have certain feelings attached to them in our society , and you simply have to think carefully about the impact such words can leave in someone's, and even the whole human races consciousness. All I wish is that more people would start realizing we need to just be kind to one another no matter what because it destroys the whole world. It has strong ripples. 

It's okay to mess up. But just be a aware a bit. It will make a difference and eventually  change those around you. We are all connected and if you're hurting or he she is hurting , it will affect you too. 

Loveyou though. I know you're a good person and just wanted to have your opinion heard. 

[Sister 9,907]

Could be so, she IS actually wearing her name over all of her clothing, shirt, shorts and now this '74 jacket, literally. lol  I am not in this group of wanting Gaga to always stay the same though and to deliver charting number ones to be leader of the mainstream. All of the artists who I admire most are all of the ever changing and evolving chameleons. .

[Gagas love 722]

2 hours ago, KinneyUnderYou said:

First of all, I would like to say thank you for being extremely mature on your post in the Perfect Illusion Video Premiere thread. If your opinion was unpopular, or not positive you describe it in the most positive way as possible. You did not use words to lower down our excitement. You did not share your mixed emotions on the video with us. I wish a lot of members would learn from you. Despite you're in your 30's, which is the reason you're very mature. A lot of members should learn from you. A few minutes h.

Wow this is such a beautiful post. You are so great for that. I'm so glad to see people are treating each other with such positive affirmations. 

Keep it up y'all 

Ima go cry and chit

[Monster Voices 1,024]

Well as a 2008 fan I can give my thoughts. I do NOT think the sound, quality, intensity or artisticity of the new era is less that the old ones! The thing I do miss is crazyGa. There are many tallented artists out there, many write amazing songs and have strong voices. The thing that caught my heart with Gaga was that she was weird honestly. BUT although I will always miss  all of that I have learned to see more in Gaga - her passion, her message of love, I have grown close to her to a point that the crazy outfits just dont matter that much. 

Ready for Joanne!

[BlaqJezus 1,027]

16 minutes ago, faysalaaa1 said:

First of all, you are talking about her whole career while im talking about one song and her visuals of this era and her being rebellious this era has nothing to do with her being theatrical.

Rebellious action is at the very heart of theatrical performance. Theatrical performance is both the acceptance and rebellion of and against the self of the performer and their material. What Gaga is doing now, in fact what she has always been doing, even when she wasn't putting out an album, is theatrical. She is a character larger than life, beyond touch, but still in many hearts and minds. The nature of who Gaga is and who we think Gaga is, and who "they" think Gaga is, comes together to form this creative monster who is also human, and I can't stop loving her for anything.

She has changed her look, and is changing her sound, and is doing new things all the time, but how is that any different than what she has always done? In what way is this Gaga any less Gaga than the one we knew before? And how do we compare Gaga to anyone, when there isn't any one person to compare her to except herself?

[SKANK 14,288]

16 minutes ago, Gagas love said:

You have a point there but

Have you ever though of how maybe your message is just being delivered incorrectly and not portraying the right emotion? 

Some words have certain feelings attached to them in our society , and you simply have to think carefully about the impact such words can leave in someone's, and even the whole human races consciousness. All I wish is that more people would start realizing we need to just be kind to one another no matter what because it destroys the whole world. It has strong ripples. 

It's okay to mess up. But just be a aware a bit. It will make a difference and eventually  change those around you. We are all connected and if you're hurting or he she is hurting , it will affect you too. 

Loveyou though. I know you're a good person and just wanted to have your opinion heard. 

 

I appreciate your thoughts.

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2 minutes ago, BlaqJezus said:

Rebellious action is at the very heart of theatrical performance. Theatrical performance is both the acceptance and rebellion of and against the self of the performer and their material. What Gaga is doing now, in fact what she has always been doing, even when she wasn't putting out an album, is theatrical. She is a character larger than life, beyond touch, but still in many hearts and minds. The nature of who Gaga is and who we think Gaga is, and who "they" think Gaga is, comes together to form this creative monster who is also human, and I can't stop loving her for anything.

She has changed her look, and is changing her sound, and is doing new things all the time, but how is that any different than what she has always done? In what way is this Gaga any less Gaga than the one we knew before? And how do we compare Gaga to anyone, when there isn't any one person to compare her to except herself?

You might say the philosophy of her work now is theatrical if you want but her work is not theatrical at the moment.. Gaga is not an character larger than life and beyond touch anymore, she is very relatable which I dont like. I dont mind her completely changing her direction and trying out new things like with BTW but it was still theatrical and larger than life.

[Mythos 3,199]

Artist is supposed to change, as everything around him changes, and nobody likes to make the same music over and over again. But, not every change is necessary a good one, or in this case, not that polished as it could be. I love PI, but it could been better then it is, same goes for the video, and same goes for Gaga this Era. 

Let's see where the journey goes, but she has a lot of room for improvement, and i love me some raw Gaga.

 

ps: the negativity is really exhausting surrounding her right now, give her some space to breath people...

[Gagas love 722]

6 minutes ago, BlaqJezus said:

Rebellious action is at the very heart of theatrical performance. Theatrical performance is both the acceptance and rebellion of and against the self of the performer and their material. What Gaga is doing now, in fact what she has always been doing, even when she wasn't putting out an album, is theatrical. She is a character larger than life, beyond touch, but still in many hearts and minds. The nature of who Gaga is and who we think Gaga is, and who "they" think Gaga is, comes together to form this creative monster who is also human, and I can't stop loving her for anything.

She has changed her look, and is changing her sound, and is doing new things all the time, but how is that any different than what she has always done? In what way is this Gaga any less Gaga than the one we knew before? And how do we compare Gaga to anyone, when there isn't any one person to compare her to except herself?

Gaga is such a creative rebellious artist that I wouldnt doubt for a second shed be so radical as to Put gaga away and create a new character and stick with it. Thats a whole next level Gaga camoflouge bit lol. David Bowie , Ziggy Stardust

[Pacify Him 9,073]

2 hours ago, malazam said:

I -satan- someone who changes

Oh honey 

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7 minutes ago, faysalaaa1 said:

You might say the philosophy of her work now is theatrical if you want but her work is not theatrical at the moment.. Gaga is not an character larger than life and beyond touch anymore, she is very relatable which I dont like. I dont mind her completely changing her direction and trying out new things like with BTW but it was still theatrical and larger than life.

I read, as I rode my white horse around my 26million dollar Malibu mansion, wishing I was in my NY apartment overlooking Central Park, all snug and cozy with the myriad of grammys and other awards I've won over my 8 year career as a multi-platinum recording and performance artist with many years of touring under my belt, and an artistic consciousness which has influenced behind the scenes and -the- scene for the entirety of my time as a recognized artist, now even further recognized as a chameleon of showmanship by my peers...yeah, I relate to Gaga a lot, she is juuuust like me.

All that aside, BTW was hardly experimentation, her grittier stuff in that era maybe, but her experimentation has always really been live, or unreleased, as a collection of work that shows each and every idea that has come up in her mind and those around her, been taken to board and then scrapped for us to then hear on a leak later. There aren't many other pop things she can do and still stay true to herself and her art, it was time to switch it up, and if she is comparing against herself, she has done that in spades, and remains a better artist for it so far.