I think Perfect Illusion is flopping

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On Sunday, September 11, 2016 at 4:14 AM, swakby said:

After doing a mini research, I think that the song will debut somewhere #8 - #15. Kwobs says the digital sales will be around 100k. Beyonce managed to debut at #10 with around 180k (I think) but with literally zero streaming. PI is not very strong on YT or Spotify, but there will be some gain of both of them. The bad thing, in my opinion, is that the song is not catchy enough for the GP (or at least around me) and I am afraid that the debut will remain the song's peak. I really hope I'm wrong !!! I don't know what you define as "flop", but for me a top 15 debut (and probably peak) is a very good thing for a star that has been around for almost a decade. The music industry, which is highly driven by streaming nowadays, has changed drastically over the last few years and not everyone can stay #1 for 14 weeks. 

Coming in second on the streaming record list is the first week of Beyonce’s Lemonade, which spurred 115.2 million streams in the week ending April 28. Lemonade was released on the evening of Saturday, April 23 through Tidal’s streaming service, and then through its retail arm shortly thereafter. (Thus, it had less than six days of streams in its debut week, as the tracking week ends every Thursday and most new albums are released on Fridays.) It became widely available to all digital retailers on April 25. Tidal continues to be the exclusive streaming service with access to the full album.

 

Beyonce had TIDAL to back her up

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Let's be realistic, folks. It's not that perfectly sane people think it'll flop because they want to crash other fans' dreams and hopes, and that's because being a fan isn't only about kissing the artist's ass and thinking everything that's done is the best ever done. PI is not the best of Gaga in my honest opinion and I'm more than free to say so without you tryin' to slit my throat because you don't agree with this point of view. It's still a very good song but not the best, especially not the type of song that can make everyone go crazy about it. The first minute of the song is hella good, but after? It becomes repetitive. But repetitive is not the problem, guys. Go and listen to Alejandro. It's three freakin' minutes of "Alejandro" in a row but it doesn't make you tired of it, which I can't say about PI on a certain level. I honestly think it could have been much much better than this and I'm not entirely satisfied with it. Y'all need to stop not accepting other's opinion. We're all on this site because we love and admire Gaga's work, as far as I'm concerned I'll always support and love her, but let's also try to be mature about what's good and what's not so much, and of course we don't have to bash each other's heads for these little disagreements. In the end I do hope PI is going to conquer everyone's heart. I'll be more than happy to acknowledge such an achievement.

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On 9/12/2016 at 7:16 AM, cakelikladygaga said:

Let's be realistic, folks. It's not that perfectly sane people think it'll flop because they want to crash other fans' dreams and hopes, and that's because being a fan isn't only about kissing the artist's ass and thinking everything that's done is the best ever done. PI is not the best of Gaga in my honest opinion and I'm more than free to say so without you tryin' to slit my throat because you don't agree with this point of view. It's still a very good song but not the best, especially not the type of song that can make everyone go crazy about it. The first minute of the song is hella good, but after? It becomes repetitive. But repetitive is not the problem, guys. Go and listen to Alejandro. It's three freakin' minutes of "Alejandro" in a row but it doesn't make you tired of it, which I can't say about PI on a certain level. I honestly think it could have been much much better than this and I'm not entirely satisfied with it. Y'all need to stop not accepting other's opinion. We're all on this site because we love and admire Gaga's work, as far as I'm concerned I'll always support and love her, but let's also try to be mature about what's good and what's not so much, and of course we don't have to bash each other's heads for these little disagreements. In the end I do hope PI is going to conquer everyone's heart. I'll be more than happy to acknowledge such an achievement.

A-FCKN-MEN.

This newbie has got it DOWN. Ya'll need to stop slitting people's throats just because others have one bad opinion about a new Gaga song...and then be "surprised" when, god forbid, the song doesn't actually end up doing well. We all want the best for Gaga's career at the end of the day.

[xeynuraf 191]

Is it a flop or not?

[Kodesjt 2]

It's quite popular in my Australian state. It's been played on the top radio stations (there are 2) 11 times since 8am, greater than any other song. 

[RainOnMeeeeee 67]

I don't think it's a flop yet. Give it time. I'm still trying to help promote it tho so I literally printed something out and I'm going to paste it outside so people can see it. Gaga is always worth printing in color 

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did i lighten the mood at all  I'm being serious though

 

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2 minutes ago, Scie said:

I don't think it's a flop yet. Give it time. I'm still trying to help promote it tho so I literally printed something out and I'm going to paste it outside so people can see it. Gaga is always worth printing in color 

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did i lighten the mood at all  I'm being serious though

 

MAke sure to leave it on a strangers car windshield for maximum promo 

[sarahb 16,599]

3 hours ago, RainbowPenguinD said:

It's quite popular in my Australian state. It's been played on the top radio stations (there are 2) 11 times since 8am, greater than any other song. 

Which stations?

[Toph 375]

15 hours ago, xeynuraf said:

Is it a flop or not?

no, at least not in the US.

Literally, nearly every single person I've talked to that prefers "old" gaga HATES PI. Why? The same responses: Too repetitive, too loud. They just want the same old same old. Too bad so sad (my boyfriend is included in this...)

Every single person I've encountered that's like a luke-warm gaga fan, or never enjoyed anything since BTW, they are in love with PI. 

I really don't think it's a flop at all. Look at radio. It's hit 20 million listeners in the US ALONE on pop radio (30mil total counting HAC). Applause couldn't DREAM to do this well so early (and I love applause btw!). She's been out of the game for sooooo long. Two years out of Pop is like a death sentence (and she's been out for THREE), esp. if you're releasing in other genre's tbh..but here's the thing: gaga has a bigger base of fans in 2016 than she did in 2013, and a lot of them are older adults! 

Call me a dreamer i don't give a ****. I remember how poorly applause did in its first week. I remember the MTN days on this site.

 I love this song and I love Gaga, and that's it period. 

(@xeynuraf i'm blowing off steam in this, totally not directed at you!!)

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I literally don't care. No part in me cares. I'm not here for sales. I'm not here for chart performance. I am not here for this negativity but it keeps showing up. 

[LilVenusian 579]

If shes sleeping on some iconic smash then why didn't she just release it first 

 

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On 2016-09-09 at 7:51 PM, Bobbins said:

Multiple negative updates on its sales. The best we can hope for is a top 10, I don't see the video having much effect either way. Some of the reviews I've read are also so harsh and rude.

WHY is this happening?!

I pray to God this is her 'Like That' and she comes with a smash 2nd single like 'We Belong Together'. 

I think you are a major flop. 

[Boti 118]

On 14 septembrie 2016 at 11:29 PM, Toph said:

no, at least not in the US.

Literally, nearly every single person I've talked to that prefers "old" gaga HATES PI. Why? The same responses: Too repetitive, too loud. They just want the same old same old. Too bad so sad (my boyfriend is included in this...)

Every single person I've encountered that's like a luke-warm gaga fan, or never enjoyed anything since BTW, they are in love with PI. 

I really don't think it's a flop at all. Look at radio. It's hit 20 million listeners in the US ALONE on pop radio (30mil total counting HAC). Applause couldn't DREAM to do this well so early (and I love applause btw!). She's been out of the game for sooooo long. Two years out of Pop is like a death sentence (and she's been out for THREE), esp. if you're releasing in other genre's tbh..but here's the thing: gaga has a bigger base of fans in 2016 than she did in 2013, and a lot of them are older adults! 

Call me a dreamer i don't give a ****. I remember how poorly applause did in its first week. I remember the MTN days on this site.

 I love this song and I love Gaga, and that's it period. 

(@xeynuraf i'm blowing off steam in this, totally not directed at you!!)

Applause couldn't do what? Applause had bigger numbers than PI after a week, at least on the radio. Kworb still has archives. Make a research and you won't say that bullshit again

You did manage to piss me off with your bullshit. You have no idea what you're speaking about. According to Kworb, Overall Airplay, in its first week Applause had 45.439 AI and 6021 spins (Pop and HAC). Compare the ****ing numbers of Applause and PI and stop talking bullshit and don't try to lie to others, if you like lying yourself do it, but here be real. Better get ready for the rolling effect.

[Creyk 17,805]

2 hours ago, LilVenusian said:

If shes sleeping on some iconic smash then why didn't she just release it first 

 

Gaga never releases her best songs at first. Just think JD - PF, BR - Telephone, BTW - TEOG

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35 minutes ago, Creyk said:

Gaga never releases her best songs at first. Just think JD - PF, BR - Telephone, BTW - TEOG

 

In what world is Telephone better than Bad Romance tho