Cisgender man to act Transgender in Mark Ruffalo film

[JDi 1,495]

10 hours ago, Bebe said:

When I look at it from a distance I still don't see whining attention whores tbh  

well it doesn't have to be as harsh as it sounds to be true.

and you don't have to see what I see, you know.

my whole point is that we just need to stop making people feel ignorant or insensitive every time they see a different solution to a cultural problem. 

let Mark Ruffalo do his thing. Bomer can eventually touch as many trans people as a trans actor can annoy. not to mention the odds with certain other audiences.

actors are gatekeepers, not prophets.

[Bebe 17,094]

13 minutes ago, JDi said:

well it doesn't have to be as harsh as it sounds to be true.

and you don't have to see what I see, you know.

my whole point is that we just need to stop making people feel ignorant or insensitive every time they see a different solution to a cultural problem. 

let Mark Ruffalo do his thing. the actor he cast might eventually please more trans people than a trans actor can annoy. not to mention the odds with certain other audiences.

actors are a gatekeepers, not prophets.

I get your point, it's just that you seem to just want to shut out conversation.

It's okay for people, especially trans people, to complain when they see another cis gendered person cast in the role of a trans person. It's okay for trans actors to complain that they can't get any roles. It's okay for them to complain to the director, to the producers, to the studio and to say you are unsatisfied.

At this point in time, trans people are not being cast as cisgendered people. They are not being cast as superheroes, or villains, or astronauts, or lawyers, or cops, or spies, or parents, or love interests, or jedi or any of the wide range of roles available to cisgendered people.

The only roles that Hollywood allows trans actors to take is for trans roles, and even then the role is most likely going to be taken up by another white, cisgendered guy. It's understandable for people to be upset about that.

When the problem is that trans actors are not being considered for any roles and studios and producers and casting directors choose to cast cisgendered people in the only roles currently available to trans actors it's okay for people to complain to those involved.

It's okay and frankly pretty understandable that people don't see the casting of cisgendered people in trans roles, the only roles available to trans actors, as simply "a different solution to a cultural problem" and instead see it as part of the problem.

[SKANK 14,288]

1 minute ago, Bebe said:

I get your point, it's just that you seem to just want to shut out conversation.

It's okay for people, especially trans people, to complain when they see another cis gendered person cast in the role of a trans person. It's okay for trans actors to complain that they can't get any roles. It's okay for them to complain to the director, to the producers, to the studio and to say you are unsatisfied.

At this point in time, trans people are not being cast as cisgendered people. They are not being cast as superheroes, or villains, or astronauts, or lawyers, or cops, or spies, or parents, or love interests, or jedi or any of the wide range of roles available to cisgendered people.

The only roles that Hollywood allows trans actors to take is for trans roles, and even then the role is most likely going to be taken up by another white, cisgendered guy. It's understandable for people to be upset about that.

When the problem is that trans actors are not being considered for any roles and studios and producers and casting directors choose to cast cisgendered people in the only roles currently available to trans actors it's okay for people to complain to those involved.

It's okay and frankly pretty understandable that people don't see the casting of cisgendered people in trans roles, the only roles available to trans actors, as simply "a different solution to a cultural problem" and instead see it as part of the problem.

 

 

It's worth considering Lavern Cox has been cast as a cis-gender transvestite in Fox's reboot of The Rocky Horror Picture Show. Not only is a transgender actress portraying the cis-gender lead in a high profile television musical, she is taking away gigs from transvestite actors like Eddie Izzard. Yet Lavern Cox nor Fox were forced to apologizes to the transvestite community for this casting decision.

 

[JDi 1,495]

2 minutes ago, Bebe said:

I get your point, it's just that you seem to just want to shut out conversation.

It's okay for people, especially trans people, to complain when they see another cis gendered person cast in the role of a trans person. It's okay for trans actors to complain that they can't get any roles. It's okay for them to complain to the director, to the producers, to the studio and to say you are unsatisfied.

At this point in time, trans people are not being cast as cisgendered people. They are not being cast as superheroes, or villains, or astronauts, or lawyers, or cops, or spies, or parents, or love interests, or jedi or any of the wide range of roles available to cisgendered people.

The only roles that Hollywood allows trans actors to take is for trans roles, and even then the role is most likely going to be taken up by another white, cisgendered guy. It's understandable for people to be upset about that.

When the problem is that trans actors are not being considered for any roles and studios and producers and casting directors choose to cast cisgendered people in the only roles currently available to trans actors it's okay for people to complain to those involved.

It's okay and frankly pretty understandable that people don't see the casting of cisgendered people in trans roles, the only roles available to trans actors, as simply "a different solution to a cultural problem" and instead see it as part of the problem.

It is and Ruffalo put it pretty well with that first tweet.

but it's also not supposed to turn into a witch-hunt, so I guess it's the tone of the conversation I'm trying to shut off.

[JDi 1,495]

5 minutes ago, SKANK said:

It's worth considering Lavern Cox has been cast as a cis-gender transvestite in Fox's reboot of The Rocky Horror Picture Show. Not only is a transgender actress portraying the cis-gender lead in a high profile television musical, she is taking away gigs from transvestite actors like Eddie Izzard. Yet Lavern Cox nor Fox were forced to apologizes to the transvestite community for this casting decision.

the reckoning of Izzard being pure gold in it lol

[Dominic 11,922]

Rome wasn't built in a day. As the OP stated it's only been recent that trans people have been displayed on TV and film in a more positive and serious role. 

However, if every time someone attempts to do something (with all good intention) they face all this kind of backlash it's not going to continue. It's not going to 'educate' people it's only going to give them the attitude of 'Let's not even touch that subject in fear of getting hounded".  

As much as some may disagree with the casting it's brilliant to have a film about this topic regardless because it will cause discussion. It's such a nauseating thing to see people complain and slam something everytime a portrayal isn't 100% accurate. Stop condemning these things all the time and instead show your support. You can't criticise those people who try to help just because it doesn't fit your expectation or ideals. 

[SKANK 14,288]

4 minutes ago, JDi said:

the reckoning of Izzard being pure gold in it lol

 

La la la la you're a white cis-gender scum your opinions are irrelevant la la la la

 

[darkchylde 14,857]

yall DISGUST me. Im sorry but if yall cant see why cis people shouldn't play trans roles youre vile.

whats the point, huh? i, a trans person, get mad about this, get some WP, and get frustrated for speaking my mind but you just ignore to see the problem.

understand that this promotes unhealthy ideas abour trans people.

TRANS WOMEN ARE NOT MEN IN COSTUME JUST LIKE CIS WOMEN ARE NOT MEN IN COSTUME.

the biggest problem here is that you all refyse to listen to us. this is violence. this helps people killing us as if we werent persons.

[darkchylde 14,857]

2 minutes ago, Dominic Marc said:

Rome wasn't built in a day. As the OP stated it's only been recent that trans people have been displayed on TV and film in a more positive and serious role. 

However, if every time someone attempts to do something (with all good intention) they face all this kind of backlash it's not going to continue. It's not going to 'educate' people it's only going to give them the attitude of 'Let's not even touch that subject in fear of getting hounded".  

As much as some may disagree with the casting it's brilliant to have a film about this topic regardless because it will cause discussion. It's such a nauseating thing to see people complain and slam something everytime a portrayal isn't 100% accurate. Stop condemning these things all the time and instead show your support. You can't criticise those people who try to help just because it doesn't fit your expectation or ideals. 

i see you're cis. well, let me tell you this: we'd rather have no trans people in film than hsve thousands of them played by cis people

[JDi 1,495]

1 minute ago, SKANK said:

 

La la la la you're a white cis-gender scum your opinions are irrelevant la la la la

 

la la la * better than you Brexit accent * la la la

[SKANK 14,288]

26 minutes ago, VenusOddity said:

yall DISGUST me. Im sorry but if yall cant see why cis people shouldn't play trans roles youre vile.

whats the point, huh? i, a trans person, get mad about this, get some WP, and get frustrated for speaking my mind but you just ignore to see the problem.

understand that this promotes unhealthy ideas abour trans people.

TRANS WOMEN ARE NOT MEN IN COSTUME JUST LIKE CIS WOMEN ARE NOT MEN IN COSTUME.

the biggest problem here is that you all refyse to listen to us. this is violence. this helps people killing us as if we werent persons.

 

Everyone in a movie is in a costume, regardless of the gender identity.

Calling the casting of a cis-gender actor in the role of a transgender character an act of violence is a ridiculous abuse of language, alienates potential allies, and reduces your argument to radical fanaticism.

 

[darkchylde 14,857]

2 minutes ago, SKANK said:

 

Everyone in a movie is in a costume, regardless of the gender identity.

Calling the casting of a cis-gender actor in the role of a transgender character an act of violence is a ridiculous abuse of language, alienates potential allies, and reduce your argument to radical fanaticism.

lol fvck off. i dont care if i allienate "potential allies". where are they when i get misgendered, when we get murdered.

gender identity is not an issue to you, of course.

[Dominic 11,922]

8 minutes ago, VenusOddity said:

i see you're cis. well, let me tell you this: we'd rather have no trans people in film than hsve thousands of them played by cis people

There's no 'we'. Just your opinion.

I'm gay and whilst I can get annoyed at straight actors playing gay characters I also understand that it's not the focal element and it's still doing something positive. It's still creating a discussion.  

Whilst I'm sure you want to click your fingers and everyone is 'educated' its not possible or realistic. It's going to be small steps. No need to hound someone when they make a small step (especially in this example with Mark's intention) just because it's not everything you want.  

[darkchylde 14,857]

2 minutes ago, Dominic Marc said:

There's no 'we'. Just your opinion.

I'm gay and whilst I can get annoyed at straight actors playing gay characters I also understand that it's not the focal element and it's still doing something positive. It's still creating a discussion.  

Whilst I'm sure you want to click your fingers and everyone is 'educated' its not possible or realistic. It's going to be small steps. No need to hound someone when they make a small step (especially in this example with Mark's intention) just because it's not everything you want.  

lol now youre telling me whata the opinion of my people on this i just cant anymore.

its just like you all dont want to understand. 

imagine a film where a gay character is turned straight. thats how it feels for us.

 im tired tho. this sites opinions on trans ppl are always the same: yours matter more than ours. so, bye. trying to get that permabam so i cant get any more angrier about this racist transphobic cult site.

[Guest]

The bottom line is, a large part of the trans community is offended by this because it supports the misconception that being trans is just about putting on a wig and playing dress up. Who are we to say it's no big deal when the people affected by continuous wrong representation have to live with the consequences?

I totally get where the opposition is coming from and I wholeheartedly support them.