"Rise" Becomes KP's Top Peaking Song in France

[Gypsy Life 118,907]

1 minute ago, Dominic Marc said:

We all know the ARTPOP era underperformed by her standards and people say that Katy is now due hers however considering she is setting new highs for herself with Rise then it isn't true. She is not having her ARTPOP (underperformance) era.

Considering the track is for the Olympics and there's only rumours of a possible album some time this year then it's a massive achievement. It makes sense to me. 

Those "new highs" are irrelevant. The single will go 3-OUT at this rate (already down to #35 on iKoons + not top 200 on Spotify), and that's no achievement.

[Dominic 11,922]

Just now, Gypsy Life said:

Those "new highs" are irrelevant. The single will go 3-OUT at this rate (already down to #35 on iKoons), and that's no achievement.

I don't understand why Monsters feel the need to knock other artists achievements. There can be several successful pop stars in the world at one time. Gaga is gonna be safe if that's the concern. 

[London GUY 5,628]

2 hours ago, DiscoHeaven23 said:

Yea, the French seem to definitely prefer Gaga.

Just Dance: #14
Poker Face: #1
Eh, Eh: #7
LoveGame: #5
Paparazzi: #6

Bad Romance: #1
Telephone: #3
Alejandro: #3

Born This Way: #2
Judas: #7
The Edge of Glory: #7
You and I: #98
Marry the Night: #50

Applause: #3
Do What U Want: #8
G.U.Y.: #92

Till It Happens to You: #46

G.U.Y outpeaked Yoü and I 

[Serendipity 7,821]

45 minutes ago, just4fun said:

Katy without Dr Luke is not Katy. The song is missing his touch. Dr Luke may be be a rapist pig but he knows how make a hit.

Stargate.

[Serendipity 7,821]

24 minutes ago, Gypsy Life said:

Those "new highs" are irrelevant. The single will go 3-OUT at this rate (already down to #35 on iKoons + not top 200 on Spotify), and that's no achievement.

let's talk about this again after August, shall we?

[Didymus 34,380]

29 minutes ago, Gypsy Life said:

Those "new highs" are irrelevant. The single will go 3-OUT at this rate (already down to #35 on iKoons + not top 200 on Spotify), and that's no achievement.

If y'all fans applied the same logic to Gaga's own career, my goodness.

[Gypsy Life 118,907]

5 minutes ago, Baby Blue said:

let's talk about this again after August, shall we?

Yes. You can quote this when it's #1.

 

Just now, Didymus said:

If y'all fans applied the same logic to Gaga's own career, my goodness.

[DeanWinchester 41,390]

Katy could never flop, it seems 

 

When will Gaga? 

Spoiler

No seriously. When the **** will Gaga?

 

[River 117,392]

oh no does it mean I'll have to listen to it on the Virgin and NRG radio/channel for like until July 2017?!

[DeanWinchester 41,390]

1 minute ago, River said:

oh no does it mean I'll have to listen to it on the Virgin and NRG radio/channel for like until July 2017?!

Toronto is already overplaying 'Rise' so probably 

[PopThatArt 2,193]

 

 

[katykat 0]

3 hours ago, Didymus said:

Well, then let's compare it to that

Rise: #3

Til It Happens to You: #46

The point was: I've seen so many people here desperate enough to be "certain" of the fact that Katy will experience her commercial downfall in 2016-7 (funny, since that's exactly what they were certain of after Teenage Dream), I just wanted to make a comment about how it's useless to pretend every artist even needs an era equivalent to the commercial disappointment and general public disinterest that many link to ARTPOP because you don't like certain people.

Things are already looking well for Katy, and that's just something this fanbase will have to deal with.

♥

[socotra 3,310]

3 hours ago, DiscoHeaven23 said:

Yea, the French seem to definitely prefer Gaga.

Just Dance: #14
Poker Face: #1
Eh, Eh: #7
LoveGame: #5
Paparazzi: #6

Bad Romance: #1
Telephone: #3
Alejandro: #3

Born This Way: #2
Judas: #7
The Edge of Glory: #7
You and I: #98
Marry the Night: #50

Applause: #3
Do What U Want: #8
G.U.Y.: #92

Till It Happens to You: #46

Surprised Just Dance is so low! 

[DiscoHeaven23 35,007]

4 minutes ago, Indyl said:

Surprised Just Dance is so low! 

I was too but then i looked at other countries and i guess "Just Dance" wasn't the HUGE hit the propelled her into superstardom. It was Poker Face.

[StrawberryBlond 14,888]

I knew Katy was never all that big in France but I had no idea that until now, her highest charting single was only #5 and that all her lead singles had gone #5 (weird pattern). For such an international superstar, I thought she'd do so much better in one of the world's top 10 music markets. But considering everything that's just happened in France, it was maybe a slower week for music and the people liked a song about rising up and finding strength? I mean, a big reason given for why Mariah's Glitter venture failed was because it was released on the week of 9/11 and all music sales were terrible that week because people were completely focused on the threat that was facing their country. But in some cases, if everyone is having poor sales, you may not actually perform that poorly in comparison, if you see what I mean. Your song could actually have a boost in these circumstances. Maybe that's what happened to Rise.

3 hours ago, Didymus said:

Rise: #3

Til It Happens to You: #46

The point was: I've seen so many people here desperate enough to be "certain" of the fact that Katy will experience her commercial downfall in 2016-7 (funny, since that's exactly what they were certain of after Teenage Dream), I just wanted to make a comment about how it's useless to pretend every artist even needs an era equivalent to the commercial disappointment and general public disinterest that many link to ARTPOP because you don't like certain people.

Things are already looking well for Katy, and that's just something this fanbase will have to deal with.

That's not the best comparison. TIHTY was for a documentary very few people knew about and Gaga wasn't asked to perform it at big events. Gaga wasn't even in the video. Rise may not be the lead single from KP4 but Katy sure is treating it as if it is. She has a music video coming up featuring just her in it (taking away from the message of it being an Olympics song), she's scheduled to perform at the VMAs (on the 28th, post-Olympics). At the rate she's going, she may even get to perform it at the Olympic opening ceremony. That is the game plan of someone who is seriously trying to push for a big, career-defining hit here. With Gaga, if TIHTY was a big hit, it would have just been a bonus, but it clearly wasn't the intention. If Katy didn't have any promo planned for the song and just kept the Olympics coverage to act as the official video, then I'd say that this song's performance really didn't matter. But she's treating it like more, so we'll judge it as such.

Now, I personally like this song and I hope it'll herald the return of a more mature Katy for her new album. If she's making good music, I'm ok with her success. But what gets me is when she gets hits with under-par songs and/or resorting to tricks to get hits. But if she provides a good song and doesn't try to use any underhanded tricks to get an advantage, yet still doesn't succeed, I think that's a shame. And already, I can see this not working out how she hoped. Katy's last big hit was Dark Horse and the 2 singles after that flopped, so in the public's eyes, this is the first Katy song since Dark Horse, which was 2013/14. Also, this song is clearly in the vein of Roar, which was a massive hit. So, it should have had a bigger deal made of it than what is currently happening. This doesn't bode well for the future. The public could well be treating this like a lead single. And after a lead single, it becomes harder and harder to get a #1. If Katy doesn't leave a big enough gap between this and her album's lead, the public will see the lead as the second single, thus, support it less, as they think the album will be out soon. This concept of "that was just to be looked at as buzz single, this is actually my proper lead single" doesn't really wash with the public. They don't care what a single stands for. If it's the first one you've made in a while, they view it as the start of an album. Simple fact is that Katy's ballads don't sell as well. She only got hits with TOTGA and WA because they were the last singles off a highly successful album that had more uptempo singles preceding it to carry it. Outside of that period, she can't get success with emotional ballads. If her new album follows this style, which she's been suggesting for a while now, she will not have as much success. Prism is so similar to BTW, I can't even. She's displaying all the signs of an artist who's about to have a big downfall...Only 2 hits singles just like BTW, an album that sold well but not as much as its predecessor just like BTW, a tour that went everywhere and was highly successful just like BTW, a period of controversy post-album (Bad Blood drama) just like BTW. She's following Gaga's pattern well. She's hit her peak, unquesitonably. Now it's time to fall. Not out of meanness, but just because she can't possibly hold on to such mega success for such an extended period of time. She's approaching 10 years in the business. Every pop star starts taking a downfall at that point if they haven't already (if they had a downfall pre-10 year anniversary, they can have a successful 10th year, but if they've known nothing but success up until then, it's a different story). Not to mention, the 4th album seems to be cursed. It's just the pop equivalent of nature's way.