Justin Bieber Says NO to Fan Who Wanted a Hug

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4 minutes ago, Didymus said:

Anyway, I'm not claiming she's a manipulative snake, but to use one of her own phrases: I don't think I'm so stupid to think she's stupid enough to not realize that she's dragging a huge portion of easily manipulable teenagers into a commercial relationship (in a jacket of love and friendship) that only really benefits her financially. That has been Interscope's strategy from the start beyond a doubt.

Which is exactly what Justin Bieber has been doing for years now, too. Except that his target demographic happens to be younger on average and he's nowhere near as respectful when it comes to dealing with what he ultimately is responsible for. He's been using this marketing strategy, which consists of creating the illusion that every single one of his fans has a special place in his heart and might someday get the chance to meet him, to propel his sales and career for years now,

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There are plenty more examples.

I agree, it's his prerogative. But people are allowed to call him out on his hipocrisy and opportunism when taking advantage of the naivity of his target demographic while selling music or tickets but not having the decency to respond politely when a fan acts according to what they've been led to believe about him.

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4 minutes ago, Andrew Warhola said:

I agree, it's his prerogative. But people are allowed to call him out on his hipocrisy and opportunism when taking advantage of the naivity of his target demographic while selling music or tickets but not having the decency to respond politely when a fan acts according to what they've been led to believe about him.

But hello he literally made his entire fanbase aware multiple times recently that he doesn't want this **** anymore. Fans who choose to ignore his signals will logically get an even worse reaction than the one they would've gotten if Biebs hadn't publicly declared that he was in a difficult mental period, and that he didn't feel comfortable continuing the unhealthy dynamic between him and his fans.

I guess you'll call out Gaga for me when I'm crying about her not sitting at the back row when I'm headlining Madison Square Garden.

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5 minutes ago, Didymus said:

But hello he literally made his entire fanbase aware multiple times recently that he doesn't want this **** anymore. Fans who choose to ignore his signals will logically get an even worse reaction than the one they would've gotten if Biebs hadn't publicly declared that he was in a difficult mental period, and that he didn't feel comfortable continuing the unhealthy dynamic between him and his fans.

He also did the exact same before kicking off the Purpose era. He did an interview with Ellen to apologize for his behavior. Maybe if he wasn't planning on sticking to that act, he probably shouldn't have done all that damage control in the first place by constantly sending mixed messages to his fans. 

5 minutes ago, Didymus said:

I guess you'll call out Gaga for me when I'm crying about her not sitting at the back row when I'm headlining Madison Square Garden.

I call her out on a daily basis 

 

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17 minutes ago, Didymus said:

I don't think you can judge without knowing what it feels like to have a bunch of tweens chase you everywhere you go. Again: who do you think you are. You probably can't even be humble and polite in a far more common situation I know I can't.

How can you fall for that omg.

Anyway, I'm not claiming she's a manipulative snake, but to use one of her own phrases: I don't think I'm so stupid to think she's stupid enough to not realize that she's dragging a huge portion of easily manipulable teenagers into a commercial relationship (in a jacket of love and friendship) that only really benefits her financially. That has been Interscope's strategy from the start beyond a doubt.

That does not mean Gaga doesn't care about her message, and fan interactions etc. but she damn well knows what she's doing when she's repeating as many times as humanly possible that she lives for her fans, and only wants to satisfy them, and then kindly asks them to buy her single multiple times so they can win a meet and greet with her. Come on. She's playing the game and I don't fault her for that. But I don't fault Biebs either for being fed up with the bs of pop culture, and not being able to call up the energy anymore to pretend he wants to care about what some stranger has to tell or give him. And I do fault people for feeling arrogant enough to pretend that he's in some kind of unwritten contract with his fans to treat them as more than annoying flies that any other ordinary person would've smacked dead in a heartbeat.

Sure, Gaga is benefiting financially from her experience with her fans, but that's a tangible side effect of what she's doing for us. She's not in completely control of what she does, I mean, you said it yourself, it's Interscope's strategy, if anything, it's the label's fault.

And yes, I do "fall for that" because I know that that is something she genuinely said. If she wanted to benefit financially or just "play them game" all the time, she wouldn't have released anything past The Fame Mosnter. She would have continued to play "generic pop songs" while keeping the mysterious image of Gaga. She's a genuine artist who has exposed to media and the labels for what they are. You can't compare her work with Justin's. 

And, it's weird how he seems to be the only star acting this way. Sure, I'll never know what he's going through, and I will never know what he's going through, but there have been so many other people before him and there are so many people today who don't disrespect their fans. 

I don't fault Justin for being fed up either, I'm sure if I was in that situation, I'd be fed up too. He's grown up, he's an adult now, I'm sure he wants to change his direction and change the culture of his fanbase, but why can't he just at least seem thankful for it all? That's my question, and that's what I'm arguing. I'm not saying that he is obligated to do certain things, I'm not saying fans should expect him to do certain things, what I'm saying is that being humble and respectful and two things he preaches about, so why aren't his words and his actions congruent? Why can't he do the things he talks and posts about? 

 

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Just now, Andrew Warhola said:

He also did the exact same before kicking off the Purpose era. He did an interview with Ellen to apologize for his behavior. Maybe if he wasn't planning on sticking to that act, he probably shouldn't have done all that damage control in the first place by constantly sending mixed messages to his fans. 

I just can't at the double standard here, that's all. If I would dare to write a similar comment about Gaga as 90% of the ones I'm seeing here I'd be flooded with "SHE'S A HUMAN BEING!!!" attacks while here every single person seems desperate to judge him based on a situation they have no idea about, with these phony arguments about him being obliged to be polite and friendly to a random stranger harrassing him.

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He probably gets hounded when he's out 24/7; I don't blame him.

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1 minute ago, M Monstre said:

Sure, Gaga is benefiting financially from her experience with her fans, but that's a tangible side affect of what she's doing for us. She's not in completely control of what she does, I mean, you said it yourself, it's Interscope's strategy, if anything, it's the label's fault.

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And, it's weird how he seems to be the only star acting this way. Sure, I'll never know what he's going through, and I will never know what he's going through, but there have been so many other people before him and there are so many people today who don't disrespect their fans. 

Well, you don't want me to compare Gaga's and Justin's work, but you also can't compare Bieber's fanbase to another. I mean those tween chicks are currazy. Have you seen that vid of Justin driving away in a car in the middle of some busy street and a horde of girls just chasing the car like mad cows?

There's no way Justin was ever prepared for that kind of response, and anyone who doesn't understand that a person can be ****ing fed up with that kind of madness is just being very unrealistic and excessively judgmental to me. I can't even hear the buzzing of a mosquito in my room at night without going on a witch hunt to slam the **** out of that thing.

It's easy when you have respectful fans who won't stalk you and who will agree to wait in a line their idol's security points out. It's not easy when you're Bieber.

4 minutes ago, M Monstre said:

 Why can't he do the things he talks and posts about? 

Well, I get that. And I guess that's a perfectly valid argument but let's be real, you're the only one who ever brought that up in a thread like this, and you only brought it up as an extra side argument in our conversation.

But I can see that's what it really comes down to for you, and I see that and I respect that. But I will use the logic any Gaga fan uses when Gaga does something that's not in line with her message: she's a human being, and some situations make it hard to put your idealism into practice.

As Gaga said, for it to be legal to be stalked worldwide and not have a moment's peace is a burden for a pop star, and Biebs has it 100x worse than she does. So I can understand, and I can put it in a context and not judge him. That's being kind, that's being humble. But most of these posts bashing him aren't exemplifying what they're demanding of Biebs at all, and that's something to call out as well.

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I agree with him not wanting to hug her, but the way he said it sounded pretty rude and disrespectful.

[uo111 5,265]

That was pretty awesome not gonna lie.

I wish I could speak to people like that at my job without losing it :')

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51 minutes ago, M Monstre said:

Nope what? Once you become a celebrity you can just throw away respect and humbleness? 

He never threw it away. She just asked for a hug. He said nope. Even if his job was being an escort you are not obligated to get a hug. It's not like he said hell no, **** no, bitch no, or girl I don't know how you could even hug yourself. It's not that deep.

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Why is he obligated to give hugs? I'm never in Justin's side, but it's not a right to get hugs from people.  

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Just now, uo111 said:

That was pretty awesome not gonna lie.

I wish I could speak to people like that at my job without losing it :')

lmao

To be fair, his job is to entertain: make music, and perform it. As long as he does that, there's no reason for him to lose his job. People like to forget that here apparently.

But agreed with the sentiment

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15 minutes ago, Didymus said:

Well, I get that. And I guess that's a perfectly valid argument but let's be real, you're the only one who ever brought that up in a thread like this, and you only brought it up as an extra side argument in our conversation.

But I can see that's what it really comes down to for you, and I see that and I respect that. But I will use the logic any Gaga fan uses when Gaga does something that's not in line with her message: she's a human being, and some situations make it hard to put your idealism into practice.

As Gaga said, for it to be legal to be stalked worldwide and not have a moment's peace is a burden for a pop star, and Biebs has it 100x worse than she does. So I can understand, and I can put it in a context and not judge him. That's being kind, that's being humble. But most of these posts bashing him aren't exemplifying what they're demanding of Biebs at all, and that's something to call out as well.

I suppose that's where the hypocrisy comes in. You have a legitimate point there, but my counter argument would be that Gaga hasn't been like this to her fans. Justin's the only pop star I know—today—that has been documented to treat fans like this. Gaga's hasn't done that, and has seemed to be very respectful of her fans. 

And, I suppose I should have brought the first bold part ["...Only brought it up as an extra side argument..."] as my main argument, because that's what I'm trying to convey. It's just completely hypocritical for him to say the things he says, yet doesn't practice them. Plus, he's been acting out for a while now, and continues to make apologies, which are admirable and in that case, humble, but he just seems to be slipping backwards instead of taking the things he says to heart. 

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Just now, M Monstre said:

I suppose that's where the hypocrisy comes in. You have a legitimate point there, but my counter argument would be that Gaga been like this to her fans. Justin's the only pop star I know—today—that has been documented to treat fans like this. Gaga's hasn't done that, and has seemed to be very respectful of her fans. 

And, I suppose I should have brought the first bold part ["...Only brought it up as an extra side argument..."] as my main argument, because that's what I'm trying to convey. It's just completely hypocritical for him to say the things he says, yet doesn't practice them. Plus, he's been acting out for a while now, and continues to make apologies, which are admirable and in that case, humble, but he just seems to be slipping backwards instead of taking the things he says to heart. 

Gaga keeps up with it because she doesn't want to cause a rupture in her fanbase. Biebs obviously doesn't care anymore. I can appreciate both reactions.

Tbh, I think it's pretty low to criticize Biebs' public behavior (public as in: he's trapped in his role as superstar, forced to interact with people who can't approach him as a normal human being) for not being consistent with his supposed values when you have no idea what he's like behind the curtain. We don't know how he treats his friends, his family. We know how he treats strangers who think they're entitled to bother him during the day because they think they know him and he wants to be bothered by their irrelevant asses. Obviously there's a difference.

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I don't understand the beliebers. Their idol has made it clear that he doesn't like interacting like that with them. If they like him in any way, they should try a little harder to respect that in my opinion.