Update: No One's Working With Dr. Luke

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3 hours ago, Raikov said:

People are defensive of Kesha because all the arguments used against her are arguments used against real rape victims as well. Rape is a notoriously difficult crime to try because what distinguishes rape from sex is consent, and unless you have a camera or a tape recorder strapped onto your forehead, how are you going to prove that there wasn't consent? Kesha's case is complicated by the fact that she seemed to be manipulated by Luke in the early stages of her career. Remember what Gaga said at Swinefest? "I thought, oh, this is what adults do." It's not uncommon for sexually assaulted or battered women to protect their abusers.

Also, Dr. Luke was not shown to be "not guilty." The case was never taken to criminal court, probably because there wasn't enough hard proof to show that the crime took place. What happened was that a judge refused to break the contract because she didn't think that there were sufficient grounds to claim Dr. Luke and Universal hadn't tried to offer her alternate deals or something like that. The sexual assault was one part of the whole case. He was never on trial.

I find it very telling that so many people working in the music industry were quick to support Kesha and speak out against Luke, but very few stood up for him. Working in any industry, you see the same people, news gets around... it's strange that many of the people who would be likely to know him and interact with him could imagine him being guilty. Of course, the court of public opinion isn't a real court, and you can't use this as evidence of anything. But it's strange.

Finally, I'm amazed at the lack of empathy some people have for Kesha. Even if Dr. Luke did not assault her, nobody should condone his behavior. Finding young (and therefore easily manipulable) talent and roping them into a restrictive contract may be legal, but it sure as hell isn't the right thing to do. If you read the actual document submitted by Kesha's lawyer, there's a lot of stuff beyond just sexual assault; it's plain and simple control of her life. The evidence (that being the text messages and emails her lawyer talked about), for better or worse, is not available to the public to read.

Maybe you think there's not enough evidence to say he's a rapist. I think that's fair enough. But it really hurts to see how so many people are quick to dismiss claims of sexual assault. It's one of the most underreported crimes in United States, and one of the reasons is that people fear they won't be taken seriously.

I think this is all a really good statement 

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42 minutes ago, Harry said:

Well this does seem like a bit of a cop out to me, but if you're being serious and actually think I was trying to be insulting then I apologise because that wasn't my intention. I know I come across stern sometimes but if I felt the need to insult someone (which I rarely do), I'd be far more blunt about it. I think you're overreacting, but I do apologise. Take it or leave it as you will.

I don't think you're an idiot, I respect your viewpoint and I'm not upset nor insulted by this exchange. I do, however, find it annoying when I have to repeat myself multiple times.

Thanks but I don't know what I'm copping out from. I already said I agreed with what you were saying. I had read some posts all over the place that were almost in disbelief that dr Luke would keep Kesha in her contract like that wasn't the norm. I think maybe you thought I had come to this topic with different intentions or view points.

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1 hour ago, Yaxley said:

Is he wrong? 

Yes, he is.

Which evidence? All hearsayings.....just like Luke's

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Thank you. End Dr puke.

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On 11 de julio de 2016 at 10:26 AM, brendablethyn said:

Was he ever found guilty of anything? Or charged? There is more evidence against Michael Jackson than there is against Dr Luke tbh.

yeah I don't get why MJ doesn't get the same hate I mean yeah he's Michael but so what that doesn't make him look less shady 

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You know, no one knows the truth, but I kinda believe that he is wrong. Look at the Warrior documentary by Kesha, you can tell how much creative control he got into the album.

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1 hour ago, malazam said:

Yes, he is.

Which evidence? All hearsayings.....just like Luke's

Well there was like a lot of questionable activities Michael was doing including borderline ****ography although it didn't qualify as ****. And that was about it actually I guess although he looked freaky. Okay I am just a racist or something I guess. I can't remember anything else. Although he did sleep in beds with children so it technically does look worse. I guess 

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1 hour ago, Yaxley said:

Well there was like a lot of questionable activities Michael was doing including borderline ****ography although it didn't qualify as ****. And that was about it actually I guess although he looked freaky. Okay I am just a racist or something I guess. I can't remember anything else. Although he did sleep in beds with children so it technically does look worse. I guess 

He didn't sleep in bed with any children.

That crap was a mediatic **** made by Sony, the boy slept in the bed and he slept in the floor, now that the boy is grown we know it was a lie.

In the other hand we have 1993 accusation, where the father made the child lie to take money from Michael Jackson, the boy made a statement on national TV saying it was a lie, the father of the boy killed himself after Michael Jackson death.