Dangers of hypersensitive culture bred by social media

[TiphEret 1,320]

7 hours ago, Lord Temptation said:

My Baby Boomer parents raised me well. A little too well. To the point where I will always call them out on their hypocrisy.

oh dude you cracked me up on this one! 

[Lord Temptation 11,209]

1 hour ago, TiphEret said:

oh dude you cracked me up on this one! 

Shucks! Glad you got a laugh! 

[TiphEret 1,320]

8 minutes ago, Lord Temptation said:

Shucks! Glad you got a laugh! 

I just picture the parents at dinner. Something similar happened with my mom, she was like complaining because France thought of renaming Christmas holidays by winter holiday and she was upset. And then I reminded her "but mom you ain't Christian and you hate religion, shouldn't you be HAPPY about that?"  

[Princess Die 1,864]

On 6/23/2016 at 5:16 AM, A Gaga Lad said:

This is annoying as ****. This seems like it is exaggerated but if this actually happens in real life? 

I mean I have heard and read of scenarios where people look for representation even when not appropriate:

--no fat people in Les Miserables, a time when people were starving: "OMG fat shaming!!1!"

--no black people in Brave, set in medieval Scotland: "OMG racisme!!1!"

--medical studies show correlation of obesity with certain diseases, "MOAR FAT SHAMING!!1!"

I mean advocating for equality is a must but when you try to find representation for each and every thing even when not applicable 

#NoEqualityForFatties 

[Princess Die 1,864]

On 6/23/2016 at 9:24 AM, MJHolland said:

Never before have so many people whined about absolutely minuscule and harmless things such as "cultural appropriation". This younger generation is definitely the most sensitive. Baby Boomers never even heard of participation ribbons. This generation was coddled from the start.

I fear that society as a whole will become weak because we have to celebrate every level of mediocrity.

[DeanWinchester 41,390]

On June 24, 2016 at 11:24 AM, TiphEret said:

I just picture the parents at dinner. Something similar happened with my mom, she was like complaining because France thought of renaming Christmas holidays by winter holiday and she was upset. And then I reminded her "but mom you ain't Christian and you hate religion, shouldn't you be HAPPY about that?"  

Canada had something similar. Other cultures/religion apparently get offended when a Christmas tree is called such, saying it should be a holiday tree.

 

like 

we don't tell you to rename your own holidays or religious objects to generic "holiday" names. You want your culture religion to be respected/observed, do the same to us  especially if that culture has been established in a certain place before yours

[TiphEret 1,320]

9 minutes ago, A Gaga Lad said:

Canada had something similar. Other cultures/religion apparently get offended when a Christmas tree is called such, saying it should be a holiday tree.

 

like 

we don't tell you to rename your own holidays or religious objects to generic "holiday" names. You want your culture religion to be respected/observed, do the same to us  especially if that culture has been established in a certain place before yours

Well France is secular and has no state religion so I don't see what is the issue in renaming the holidays personally as I am not even Christian and my mom is quite against religion anyway, so yeah she was quite hypocrite in this. Now if your country has a state religion that's different... 

[DeanWinchester 41,390]

21 minutes ago, TiphEret said:

Well France is secular and has no state religion so I don't see what is the issue in renaming the holidays personally as I am not even Christian and my mom is quite against religion anyway, so yeah she was quite hypocrite in this. Now if your country has a state religion that's different... 

The point is it's becoming one sided. Christians are being made to give up a number of things and I get that if it was for the sake of equality but other religions arent being forced to put up christmas trees or rename their holidays. Why would they want it to be renamed as a holiday tree?

it's like me telling jewish people to call the menorah a holiday candelabra because i don't believe in their practices 

[TiphEret 1,320]

2 minutes ago, A Gaga Lad said:

The point is it's becoming one sided. Christians are being made to give up a number of things and I get that if it was for the sake of equality but other religions arent being forced to put up christmas trees or rename their holidays. Why would they want it to be renamed as a holiday tree?

it's like me telling jewish people to call the menorah a holiday candelabra because i don't believe in their practices 

Yes but this is just silly the example you took, also again I don't know if Canada has a state religion or anything, I mean you can call it christmas tree or it's original name (we can use both in French, the tree oustide of christlas, is still a tree ahahha). I guess some people are just butthurt and want to nitpick on everything. Now I don't think that people are going to police you about using holiday or christmas tree so who cares at the end? When I hear such nonsense I just  to the people and leave... 

[StrawberryBlond 15,561]

It's not perfect, but at its heart, it is pretty accurate. My favourite part was the bit where everyone gets their score re-adjusted according to perceived privilege. This is something that really grinds my gears - the idea that you've had better opportunites and have been better educated if you're part of the status quo. It's absolute nonsense and is just an excuse for people not to try hard. Plenty of under-privileged people are smart and apply themselves and plenty of privileged people are stupid and don't try. This victim mentality of thinking that because you've been served a bad hand in life, therefore, you'll never amount to anything is more damaging to self-esteem than being under-privileged is. I can't imagine anything so offensive as to be patronised for being under-privileged. It's not being helpful or boosting them up, it's patronising. I think the only way you can deal with people like this is to turn it right back on them and point out how ironically offensive their "tolerant" beliefs are.

Now, don't get me wrong. I'm a liberal, I want everyone to get along and be treated equally. I don't support racist, sexist, ageist, LGBT-bashing or special needs bashing thoughts. Those thoughts shouldn't be allowed to be expressed freely. But don't confuse a mere questioning or slight criticism of some of these groups. There are genuine issues within under-privileged groups that need to be addressed and changed and that cannot be changed if we're not allowed to express anything but admiration for under-privileged groups.

On 23/06/2016 at 3:09 PM, Kayla said:

It's such a shame that so many people in society are so busy worrying about themselves and their minor annoyances that they apparently literally can't handle it when a lifestyle they've never given two thoughts to finally has a medium to voice how they've felt or been treated for decades.  

I don't think it's that. Sure, it's true for some, but what is bothering most of us is that it's all very well for people to speak up on mistreatment but only if it's actual mistreatment. There are so many people now that are convinced they are being discriminated against because of this, that and the next thing, when in reality, it's something that everyone of all backgrounds get judged on and is the result of something you've done wrong or could do better. Something I noticed lately is in the wake of the Maria Sharapova scandal where she was taking a prohibited drug during all her years of playing tennis. She was exposed and had to do conferences and give apologies and decisions were in the works about what should be done. There were some black people who were claiming that the public and the tennis federation where going easy on her because she was a pretty, white woman...and that if the same thing had happened to Serena Williams, she'd be bashed by the public and be banned from tennis without a second thought. But this was inaccurate. The public did bash Maria, tennis players bashed her and its recently been announced that she's been banned from tennis for 2 years. The Russian sports minister actually thinks she might have been unfairly targeted due to Russian relations with America right now. So, it really annoys me when people just call racism whenever they feel like it, with no further evidence or intelligence applied as to why certain things happen.

On 23/06/2016 at 7:06 PM, Kayla said:

And you see it as "one word cost him his job," I see it is one harmful mentality. His sentence blamed women for being assaulted, and he labeled women who may dress revealing as "sluts," which is a huge part of rape culture that we are battling. I'm not a "slut" when I walk down the street in a modest summer dress, but apparently I should be partially to blame for the "undue attention" I caught last summer when a guy literally did a U-turn in an intersection to yell "DAAAAAMMNN!" while driving past me again.

I don't think he should have been fired over that, but I do think the people protesting were doing so with good reason- mentalities like that man's are part of the reason why women struggle with issues related to rape culture. And referring to those women as "sluts" says a LOT about how he really feels. 

Imagine if some new pop star said something like "I play at gay clubs because those fags just love buying my tickets," and then later said, "Oh, I phrase that wrong! I'm SO sorry. What I mean is the gay community is so supportive of my work, so I am happy to perform for them." It's problematic.

Really, there's no evidence that he meant it as severe as all that. Jumping to too many conclusions results in over-thinking. Should he have used this word? No. But sometimes, people are so passionate about something that they can end up saying something that with hindsight, could have been said better. Also, saying something in layman's terms can help people understand something better. Instead of using soft, flowery, vague language like "dressing provocatively," maybe some people just need to hear "don't dress like a slut" to wake up to the reality. Not the nicest of terms, but at least people know what that means. I mean, to someone who doesn't understand what provocative means or asks for specific definition of what would be regarded as provocative, simply saying: "dressing like a slut" clears things up. He didn't say the women were to blame for being attacked, just that there's steps they could take to increase their safety. These methods are not foolproof and sometimes, you get targeted completely unexpectantly, but we all know there's stuff you can do to give yourself better protection. It's not anti-women to point this out, it's pro-women, because we want to protect them by suggesting how they can protect themselves.

We just sometimes speak in a way that's a bit uncensored at times. I respect women fully, but I've called some horrible names before (though not to their faces). Most women have called another woman a bitch/slut/***** at some point in their lives. I only say it if the woman is proven to have done wrong (come on, any woman who had her boyfriend stolen by another woman who knows that he was with someone deserves to be called names, no word is strong enough for someone who takes another woman's partner) and I don't see it as anti-women because I want all women to be treated equally to men and men have no qualms criticising each other. If men can criticise other men, why can't women criticise other women? And I'm sure most of us have used the term "dressing like a slut," at some point. It doesn't mean we're misogynists or hate women. It just makes us human with natural reactions to things and imperfections.

[Sudarshana 581]

found a good video on this topic

 

 

[Hecturr 1,937]

2 hours ago, Sudarshana said:

found a good video on this topic

 

 

yas

[Buddy 5,686]

The internet/social networking caused a remarkable  surge in the speed of information sharing. The world has never faced this  sort of exchange at such an profound rate. While the internet has been around since the beginning of the 2000s, this decade achieved stable enough social networking platforms for cultural movements to arise notably outside of the internet. Because of the intense speed of information sharing, more and more cultural movements have been emerging at a fast and overwhelming rate. 

In my perspective, some people are abusing this platform by trying to do way too much way too fast. While I don't like to be cynical, people tend to forget that we are still a sociological body -- just because our technology has progressed so extraordinarily doesn't rule out society's laws of nature which have applied to us since the very beginning. We should respect that cultural movements take time. Cultures need to experience change in increments, otherwise many people will be resistant, and that is exactly what is occurring in 2016.

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4 hours ago, Sudarshana said:

found a good video on this topic

 

 

Not even 40 seconds in and they describe Elton's rage at D&G saying they don't want gay marriage as "blind."

Good video. Because someone saying you don't deserve human rights is totally a normal thing and deserves sound logical arguments. O wait, no it doesn't. It just deserves a **** you.

If you start your video with "gay men can't be homophobic," how can you expect anyone to watch the rest.

On 6/27/2016 at 3:22 PM, StrawberryBlond said:

no word is strong enough for someone who takes another woman's partner

 After all, we know that men can't control their penis and it's obviously 100% the woman's fault and she deserves all the blame. The man just can't help it.

Us gay men, when we cheat on each other it's no big deal because we know we just can't help it. It would be so much easier if we were straight because then we could just blame the woman.

[Kayla 7,595]

On 6/27/2016 at 3:22 PM, StrawberryBlond said:

This victim mentality of thinking that because you've been served a bad hand in life, therefore, you'll never amount to anything is more damaging to self-esteem than being under-privileged is. I can't imagine anything so offensive as to be patronised for being under-privileged.

I agree to an extent, but this "victim mentality" isn't just some made up thing that isn't rooted in facts. When you look at the statistics there are distinct under-privileged groups; it's not a randomized system of privileges. Just looking at black people in poor areas, the reason why so many black people were driven to those crappy neighborhoods was because they were denied housing loans because of their race, forcing them into cheaper housing in neighborhoods with less job opportunities. 

These aren't people making themselves out to be victims, these are people who ARE victims who are stuck in a vicious cycle. That being said, you are right that it is offensive to patronize them for being under-privileged, and more work should be done to highlight their positive aspects than their negatives. 

It's also important to note that you are not from the USA, so you have not seen firsthand the issues these people face; you're an outsider, and I wish you would try to consider that maybe the people actually living in these situations know what they're talking about. 

 

On 6/27/2016 at 3:22 PM, StrawberryBlond said:

Also, saying something in layman's terms can help people understand something better. Instead of using soft, flowery, vague language like "dressing provocatively," maybe some people just need to hear "don't dress like a slut" to wake up to the reality.

MOST rapes are conducted by people who know the victim, not some rando out in the street - which means the "reality" is women should be more careful around friends at a frat party than a stranger lurking around the corner.

MOST rapes are not about sexual attraction, but overpowering someone else. They also choose their victims based on perceived unawareness of their surroundings and timid nature. MANY rapists don't even remember what their victim was wearing - which means the "reality" is women shouldn't be told to "not dress like a slut," but should be told to walk with confidence and carry a method of physical protection.

MANY rapes occur in the victim's own home, not at a party or in the night on the street.

MOST victims of rape were NOT wearing "slutty" clothing. Also consider that rape occurs to people from newborn age to death-bed-elderly age- let's stop blaming what these people are wearing, shall we? Only 4.4% of rapes involved provocative behavior from the victim.
Gonna say it again:
MAJORITY of women who were raped were NOT wearing "slutty" clothes.

Lastly, consider the fact that men are raped too. Did "not dressing like a slut" help them out? No, so let's stop pretending that suggesting women wear jeans and a sweatshirt is actually helping anybody. 

Telling women "don't dress like a slut" is basically useless advice. If you really want to protect women, have your words of wisdom be based on actual factual data taken from real rape scenarios. 

 

On 6/27/2016 at 3:22 PM, StrawberryBlond said:

And I'm sure most of us have used the term "dressing like a slut," at some point. It doesn't mean we're misogynists or hate women. It just makes us human with natural reactions to things and imperfections.

Of course we've all done that. When I was a kid I also used to refer to things as "gay" and "retarded," but part of growing up and being considerate means having the decency to choose your words better. Just because we've "all done it at some point" doesn't mean it's constructive or necessary.