Gaga needs to stop being afraid of flopping

[DeanWinchester 41,390]

3 minutes ago, Didymus said:

Did you read the critical reviews?

Ive come across some naysayers saying it's a stunt but majority of what I've stumbled into mainly praise it.

[Pop 4,541]

36 minutes ago, LanasNerfGun said:

I agree.  Sometimes I feel she has lost that fearlessness she once had.  But can you blame her?  She physically broke, was betrayed by her closest allies, and the world, including many of her fans, turned on her.  Poor girl.  She just wants to make fun pop music and make the world a better place.

But does she? I have a feeling like she started hating pop music after ARTPOP. 

She is singing and praising every other genre more.

[Didymus 34,379]

Just now, A Gaga Lad said:

Ive come across some naysayers saying it's a stunt but majority of what I've stumbled into mainly praise it.

Most I read were positive but just asked themselves the question if the renditions were special and creative enough to warrant an album release.

The album only got a 64 on Metacritic in the end. Only one negative review, so that pretty much confirms that though the album wasn't bad, it didn't impress either.

(I only brought that up as a counterargument to fans claiming that with C2C she did something extraordinary that tops the careers of every one of her peers.)

[AlexanderLevi2 5,849]

YOU guys are insane. I really doubt she analyzes everything like you guys do 

Honestly, she's probably just making the music she wants and it's taking time. And if she wants to fade away and not be a pop star anymore then she can if she wants. She doesn't owe us anything 

[SlaeUrAnus 15,955]

10 minutes ago, Didymus said:

That's not true. Pretty ironic you're trying to call someone out for providing false/unknown info and then saying that

Bs. The press didn't want it to flop, they started tearing her down from the start of the era because of that embarrassingly pretentious "Warholian expedition" promo picture and her commercial tactics during Applause (offering a meet and greet in return for multiple bought copies of Applause + linking a playlist just putting Applause on loop to get higher on the charts). On top of that the album performed poorly commercially and got mixed reviews and we had the fake rumor of Interscope losing money. Only then was the era being seen as a fall from grace. This myth of "people were out to get her" is ridiculous. Things unfolded naturally and, if anything, she was criticized most of all for not living up to the message she herself presented: art taking the front position again.

Besides, people here were already calling her fall from grace the "Lady Gaga is fat!" era during 2012/beginning of 2013. They were framing ARTPOP as her big return to people loving her again. Only when ARTPOP eventually did so poorly did the fans re-frame everything so they could avoid the truth. Very transparent and unnecessary. Just quit it.

You always spill the tea Didy 

[AlexanderLevi2 5,849]

9 minutes ago, Didymus said:

Most I read were positive but just asked themselves the question if the renditions were special and creative enough to warrant an album release.

The album only got a 64 on Metacritic in the end. Only one negative review, so that pretty much confirms that though the album wasn't bad, it didn't impress either.

(I only brought that up as a counterargument to fans claiming that with C2C she did something extraordinary that tops the careers of every one of her peers.)

But do critic reviews determine if something is extraordinary? Do we form opinions based on critic reviews?

Although I enjoy reading reviews and seeing how others react, they do not determine whether I consider something extraordinary or not.

I read a review about ARTPOP once that said critics were not basing their opinions off the music but rather her reputation in the media. I could not have said it better 

[Didymus 34,379]

Just now, AlexanderLevi2 said:

But do critic reviews determine if something is extraordinary? Do we form opinions based on critic reviews?

Although I enjoy reading reviews and seeing how others react, they do not determine whether I consider something extraordinary or not.

Of course not

You gotta read this in the context of the conversation I had. I just brought up that C2C's performances got the heavy praise but not necessarily the album (to back up my point that she could've reduced the era to a few live performances if she wanted to instead of extending it, in my opinion unnecessarily, into an album era) and someone thought I was speaking from the perspective of other fanbases and not the critics. Which is why I had to bring them up again.

2 minutes ago, AlexanderLevi2 said:

I read a review about ARTPOP once that said critics were not basing their opinions off the music but her reputation in the media. I could not have said it better 

Eh. I never liked that argument because if you actually read the reviews, they did treat of the music specifically and did express their discontent about the music specifically. I feel like fans need to come up with these myths just to be able to avoid a very in itself harmless truth: the critics didn't like the album. So what. Like you said: critical reviews don't determine personal appreciation, so then why do we need to pretend reviews aren't what they were?

[HighlandHeart 993]

@Didymus I've ignored you, but I saw the quote. The worst part is you don't even see just how wrong you are, on so many levels. You're 100% convinced you are in no doubt correct of everything you say and frankly it's dangerous. Mock me all you want, I'm not ****ing stupid. Your opinion on many of these matters seem so biased and twisted by some kind of contempt for Gaga. Don't even dare try telling me to 'just quit it' because I have every right to speak my mind. I don't know where you're from, but here in Ireland we're disgusted at the American media. You give critics who know **** all about music too much credit, and pretend to be all serious and correct and realistic under the guise of plain bigotry and cynicism.  Seriously, "Didy", don't expect me to thank you for it. I'm sorry but I can't take what you say seriously, which is why I've ignored you. You quoted me, I tried to unignore you to defend my position and it said there was an error, which is hardly fair. Please, don't waste my time by quoting me again. You'd be wasting your own time too because I will only read it with slightly bemused skepticism.  

[Didymus 34,379]

1 minute ago, Drunk Poet said:

@Didymus I've ignored you, but I saw the quote. The worst part is you don't even see just how wrong you are, on so many levels. You're 100% convinced you are in no doubt correct of everything you say and frankly it's dangerous. Mock me all you want, I'm not ****ing stupid. Your opinion on many of these matters seem so biased and twisted by some kind of contempt for Gaga. Don't even dare try telling me to 'just quit it' because I have every right to speak my mind. I don't know where you're from, but here in Ireland we're disgusted at the American media. You give critics who know **** all about music too much credit, and pretend to be all serious and correct and realistic under the guise of plain bigotry and cynicism.  Seriously, "Didy", don't expect me to thank you for it. I'm sorry but I can't take what you say seriously, which is why I've ignored you. You quoted me, I tried to unignore you to defend my position and it said there was an error, which is hardly fair. Please, don't waste my time by quoting me again. You'd be wasting your own time too because I will only read it with slightly bemused skepticism.  

Why don't you just respond to the arguments instead of resorting to these ridiculous personal attacks? I didn't do that to you (though I very well could have) so why are you doing it to me?

I simply corrected your false statements to the best of my abilities, and I didn't even put my own opinion on it, I literally presented things as they happened, as we know they happened. Has nothing to do with a deluded sense of superiority, at least not here, you can bring that argument in a thread where I'm acting like that, but not here 'cause I'm not acting like it.

Instead you're pointing that self-defeating "you're not as smart as you think you are" (*pause for laughter*) finger at me again because you can't handle an argumented discussion when you're proven wrong.

I don't care if you read my replies or not, I will still post them so that other people might read them, esp. when it's about correcting false statements/fan myths.

[Addison Rae 16,605]

2 hours ago, kabirartfling said:

I am Reading these meltdown threads & LAUGHING ......she has successfully dissected her fandom to get more space for the new ones!

Good riddance  

 

[WORLDofGAGA 2,274]

I'm sure Gaga feels pressure, every artists does and I know this album is important for her, but we can't say she's scrapped LG5 and started again! Know one knows, we don't even know the genre of this album! Only cause redone said that she chose not to use the supposed track for the first single does not mean he's off the album! And tbh I don't think releasing ARTPOP act 2 would be a good idea, it would just make things worse, maybe as a free album. 

[Addison Rae 16,605]

I don't see anything wrong with wanting to put out your best work...I don't see that as being afraid of 'flopping'. 

Id rather wait another year for LG5 to come out than have her release something half-assed tomorrow. 

[badboymonsterx 540]

Don't be insecure gaga, isn't your heart pure? 

[PunkTheFunk 124,406]

2 hours ago, Didymus said:

I'm lost rn, I just don't even know anymore In Austin 2014 she said she doesn't release the several finished (!) volumes (!) of music she's made throughout her career up to this point because she doesn't want to see them become a plaything for the music industry like her other albums do.

While at first I thought that was admirable to admit, then I stopped and wondered if it was really that impressive, because that begs the question if she really feels so strongly about the music she ends up releasing Is she releasing what she doesn't consider to be her best music? Then why bother being a releasing artist? For money? Many fans consider that interview to be proof of her artistic integrity - I personally think she contradicts herself so dramatically in there it's actually proof of the possibility of the opposite..

So I agree with this: "She should've just kept chugging out music after ARTPOP and not cared if it sold or not." She gives very mixed signals.  It's kind of exhausting at this point, esp. because we need to endure "This is really me being happy and I've delivered my best, most genuine art for this album!" every era, after which we need to hear she actually wasn't happy and her best **** is still to come. For the first three times it was ok, but now I'm wondering if it's part of a promo design.

[Florian 19,952]

20 minutes ago, Drunk Poet said:

@Didymus I've ignored you, but I saw the quote. The worst part is you don't even see just how wrong you are, on so many levels. You're 100% convinced you are in no doubt correct of everything you say and frankly it's dangerous. Mock me all you want, I'm not ****ing stupid. Your opinion on many of these matters seem so biased and twisted by some kind of contempt for Gaga. Don't even dare try telling me to 'just quit it' because I have every right to speak my mind. I don't know where you're from, but here in Ireland we're disgusted at the American media. You give critics who know **** all about music too much credit, and pretend to be all serious and correct and realistic under the guise of plain bigotry and cynicism.  Seriously, "Didy", don't expect me to thank you for it. I'm sorry but I can't take what you say seriously, which is why I've ignored you. You quoted me, I tried to unignore you to defend my position and it said there was an error, which is hardly fair. Please, don't waste my time by quoting me again. You'd be wasting your own time too because I will only read it with slightly bemused skepticism.  

You honestly need to chill 

Not kissing Didy's ass but he did no wrong on this topic, he only discussed which is the pretty goal of a forum. Sometimes he does it with a little attitude ()but not even here.

If you can't handle opinions that are different than yours maybe you should check yourself, or re-evaluate the relevancy of your presence on this forum.