Met Gaga: Born This Way's Impact

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17 minutes ago, Didymus said:

Latex has been on the fashion runways for many years, incl. before 2011. Gaga's looks were actually underdesigned compared to them.

Besides, if we're to credit any pop star for bringing latex wear to public consciousness, it's Britney. Hello.

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1 minute ago, Didymus said:

Well, that's where we are now after me and some others have proven to you that there was nothing new about those looks you posted in the OP and that "Born This Way" had no impact at all where you see it. Now you just changed the subject because you couldn't win

You said Gaga's OP looks were ahead of the time. That claim has been successfully disproven, so let me stop granting you ways to avoid the core of the matter: your OP is 100% wrong.

Is not wrong. You are the one that deviated and focused the latex outfits. The only thing you proved was that regular street latex outfits were used in the mainstream before Gaga. Gaga was clearly ahead of most with her fashion during the Born This Way era and the Met Gala proved my point. And once again, I am not saying that these others artists took direct inspiration from Gaga, just that Gaga was ahead of them in many ways.

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She could see Grace Jones, Madonna and even Britney.

Not everyone is looking at Gaga all the time

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Okay, okay, let's go back to the main topic of discussion: fashion influences at Met Gala 2016. So, the theme was obviously Science fiction, or Manus X Machina. When you think abou the future of technology, you first think of the technology and science of today. And only then you think books and movies.

If anything, these were the influences for that night.

Heck, if we're talking Manus X Machina, these two guys are the definition of it.

And, let's be honest - it's 2016, the main trends in fashion are FAR from the trends of Born This Way. The main trendsetters are the current alternative artists, who are mainly popular among teens and other peeps. Go on any fashion magazine or website, and you'll see that the current visual trends are all about mixing the 90s aesthetic with the future. If anything, it may sound silly, but it's all about Grimes, Azealia Banks, Charli XCX, Le1f, SOPHIE - all the fresh artists who grew up during the dawn days of the cyber age. The hipster days are long gone. Now are the days of the cyberpunk kid, influenced by the nostalgia of the 90s, who listens to Vaporwave and mixes up everything that is both innovative today and is also reminiscent of the 90's.

But since this is a thread for Met Gala, lemme tell you this - Gaga isn't God. If anything, those people in your photos couldn't care less about her at the moment, nor do anyone else in the world, except us, her fans. I know it may sound harsh, but the world doesn't revolve around Gaga. It revolves around the Sun, and people look for influences that extend beyond pop culture.

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28 minutes ago, Design said:

If anything, Gaga is the last person to incorporate ANYTHING into high fashion. She just buys sh*t from designers and wears it. She will NEVER be a fashion designer - she said it herself. She may be a muse to designers or a person who supports fashion, but saying that by being a muse to them she influences fashion is quite of a reach, actually.

that's not the OP's point, tho. if you include the word 'mainstream' in the sentences i highlighted, you get these:

If anything, Gaga is the last person to incorporate ANYTHING into the mainstream/pop-cultural form of high fashion.
(...) saying that by being a muse to them she influences mainstream/pop-cultural fashion is quite of a reach, actually.

obviously, these statements are incorrect as gagz, being a fashion and pop icon, does influence the mainstream/pop scene. hell, her bold, avant-garde fashion statements shifted the whole fashion paradigm in the pop world, remember? in her SXSW keynote speech, she said that she'd like to think that she changed pop music in some ways (paraphrasing here, you can look it up). i'd say fashion is one of the aspects she's referring to.

the correct statements, therefore, are:

If anything, Gaga is the first person in the new millennium to incorporate BOLD STATEMENTS into the mainstream/pop-cultural form of high fashion.
(...) saying that by being a muse to them she influences mainstream/pop-cultural fashion is quite factual, actually.

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23 minutes ago, Enigma said:

Is not wrong. You are the one that deviated and focused the latex outfits.

*shock*

I talked about every single look in your OP. You're the one who only mentioned the latex afterwards, you liar

24 minutes ago, Enigma said:

The only thing you proved was that regular street latex outfits were used in the mainstream before Gaga.

Nope, I also proved that all your other looks weren't ahead of time, most specifically the last one, the style of which was already iconic in the 70's

25 minutes ago, Enigma said:

Gaga was clearly ahead of most with her fashion during the Born This Way era and the Met Gala proved my point.

How? Because Beyoncé wore a latex gown? Because you do realize that's the only argument you still have left standing?

Besides, Beyoncé's silhouette is not out of the ordinary. I thought "regular street latex outfits" didn't count.

If this didn't count:

then this doesn't count either:

In fact they're both doing the same thing: using a classic evening-wear silhouette with a twist, the twist revolving around the fabric. Gaga did the same thing with the outfit she wore for the queen, except she used a hell of a lot of an older silhouette (or should I say the designer she bought it from).

So no, you still failed. Sorry.

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2 hours ago, PopThatArt said:

Kanye's looked like a knock off to the Marry the Night bedazzled denim to me. Taylor's was also a knockoff. katy was blatantly ripping Gaga off. Beyonce's is a clear knock off too. Gaga is the one who made latex a mainstream look. 

 

Sidenote: Beyonce ripped off Lady Gaga and the lobster thing as well with that song about Red Lobster, must have saw the DO WHAT U WANT video with the lobster and shrimp. 

i really hope you're just joking  

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8 minutes ago, Didymus said:

*shock*

I talked about every single look in your OP. You're the one who only mentioned the latex afterwards, you liar

Nope, I also proved that all your other looks weren't ahead of time, most specifically the last one, the style of which was already iconic in the 70's

How? Because Beyoncé wore a latex gown? Because you do realize that's the only argument you still have left standing?

Besides, Beyoncé's silhouette is not out of the ordinary. I thought "regular street latex outfits" didn't count.

If this didn't count:

then this doesn't count either:

In fact they're both doing the same thing: using a classic evening-wear silhouette with a twist, the twist revolving around the fabric. Gaga did the same thing with the outfit she wore for the queen, except she used a hell of a lot of an older silhouette (or should I say the designer she bought it from).

So no, you still failed. Sorry.

And you completely ignored the word "mainstream" from all my points. The only one that would cont is the one with the Marylin Manson picture. And yet she wasn't necessarily as mainstream as Gaga.

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1 minute ago, Enigma said:

And you completely ignored the word "mainstream" from all my points.

Erm. No I didn't, I mentioned the fact that Britney was the one who put latex wear as fashion in mainstream consciousness before Gaga

I also mentoined that bedazzled denim jackets were mainstream in the 80's

I also mentioned that both Gaga and Katy did a spin on a classic hairstyle: a high bun with bangs

I also mentioned that Paco Rabanne's armored dress style had been mainstream and iconic by the 70's

All the pictures I used were from celebrities, who all promoted latex wear as red carpet worthy

 

 

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2 hours ago, dannydevito said:

Now that I see that Katy photo tho

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Just now, Didymus said:

Erm. No I didn't, I mentioned the fact that Britney was the one who put latex wear as fashion in mainstream consciousness before Gaga

I also mentoined that bedazzled denim jackets were mainstream in the 80's

I also mentioned that both Gaga and Katy did a spin on a classic hairstyle: a high bun with bangs

I also mentioned that Paco Rabanne's armored dress style had been mainstream and iconic by the 70's

All the pictures I used were from celebrities, who all promoted latex wear as red carpet worthy

 

 

 

-Britney wore common and regular latex outfits in the mainstream before Gaga

-The bedazzled demin jackets are from the 80s, and yet I never claimed Gaga invented them.

-Both Katy and Gaga did do a spin on them, but Katy's overall look, from the makeup, to the eyebrows, to the hair resembles Gaga more than anything.

-I doubt most people in recent times remebers that outfit from the 70s

-Most of those outfits are more like regular latex outfits (you make me repeat myself again and again).

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Just now, Enigma said:

(you make me repeat myself again and again).

That's only because you keep pretending my responses aren't valid lol

Your OP claimed that Gaga's Born This Way era was ahead of time and you've been presented with successful counterevidence that it wasn't. Just because an artist wears an outfit that could've been seen on a runway doesn't make it ahead of time, in fact it makes it derivative 'cause she literally takes it off the latest high fashion collections

Anyway, I forgot to include a couple from the queen of pop:

Besides, what Gaga did in latex, Madonna did exactly in leather:

Whoopsies.

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5 minutes ago, Didymus said:

That's only because you keep pretending my responses aren't valid lol

Your OP claimed that Gaga's Born This Way era was ahead of time and you've been presented with successful counterevidence that it wasn't. Just because an artist wears an outfit that could've been seen on a runway doesn't make it ahead of time, in fact it makes it derivative 'cause she literally takes it off the latest high fashion collections

Anyway, I forgot to include a couple from the queen of pop:

Besides, what Gaga did in latex, Madonna did exactly in leather:

Whoopsies.

Like that happened any time recently. Or like they looked any similar to what Gaga or Beyonce did.

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Just now, Enigma said:

Like that happened any time recently. Or like they looked any similar to what Gaga or Beyonce did.

1999 is not even that long ago (everyone still "remembers" the cone bra Madonna wore in 1990 without even seeing it at the time, so that argument is groundless), first of all, ànd it doesn't matter. You've been shown latex wear transcending "normal street looks" from the 90's and the 00's in a mainstream context, while you claimed it was ahead of time.

And I don't get why the similarity argument now is suddenly emerging. Do you think Gaga's latex dresses look like Beyoncé's? I don't think so.

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>80's fashion

>ahead of it's time

This one's just lazy