XoXoJoanneGaga 629 Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 4 hours ago, Son of ARTPOP said: Okay, providing a meaningful answer to your posts is a challenging task since our perception of the album comes from different places. I was literally talking about my bond with the album being on an emotional level, and how it is about the experience, the feeling, not the rationalisation of it, and you come after me with the vocals argument. What am I supposed to say? I mean, I can't disgaree with you. Hell, I agree with you. I remember your explanations about the technical aspect of the album and how it is basically f*cked up even compared to BTW. I found your feedback extremely valuable, and you've managed to explain to me many of the complaints we've had with the album versions of the songs. You've also said that fans mix up the contents of the album with the era in order to justify their stance on AP. But do you really think they can be always separated? Her mentality during the creation of the album is inevitably reflected onto the material. And she was a hot mess pre-AP and during it. How her sadness and pain is transformed on the album? Well through party music. I know it's the biggest contradiction, but I totally feel this. I was in a very bad place in 2013 and AP has helped me so much. So I just understand why she made this intense explosive music. ARTPOP is an escape from the depression. When I was feeling sad I couldn't listen to anything but this. I didn't want to hear slow and sad music. The sadness was too much inside me, so I wanted something positive and cheerful to surround me. And Gaga did the same. The concept, the visuals - everything is so bright. The music is fun. She has adressed the record for being like an acid, synthetic. And this is obvious in the music, in her vocals. I don't need her vocal delivery to be deep and sad in order to say this album shows how damaged she is. You can sense her pain and anger throughout the record. The narrative starts wtih Aura and continues until MJH (bar the title song). And on MJH this escape buble wears thin. On Dope she makes a confession and sobers up to embrace the love for and from her fans on Gypsy and Applause. On TF/TFM - I'm not dismissing them, as I said later on, I like them, I just don't connect with them like I do with BTW and ARTPOP. The latter two may be engineered inferiorly but I'd always take them to the former. I understand your admiration for them as you said how sound and lyrics complement each other and are fully realised conceptually and aesthetically, something that ARTPOP unfortunately didn't manage to do. I could go on and on, but to a person like you, I'd always seem like I'm reaching or being delusional. But what should I do? Say "My feelings for the album are wrong, it's not good". I mean I can't change the way I'm feeling. ARTPOP is a record to let go of judgement, and embrace the moment, feel it, live in it. If you always want to seek the rationale behind everyhing, you're the one missing out on many things, tbh. Ultimately, our tastes are a reflection of our personalities, which I guess couldn't be any more different. (if you've done the MBTI I'd actually like to know which type are you, I am an NF type). On topic, I'm done with this since I really got nothing to add up. I just don't think you can understand this, and I don't really disagree with you, so we'd be going nowhere with the discussion. Oh no I wasn't trying to come at you, just rebuking your arguments based on presentation. I completely understand how personal attachments are formed with art - not just albums - and I pointed out before, not sure if it was this thread or not, the difference between personal associations with a work that are based on so much more than just the work itself, (i.e personality type, emotional profile, state of mind and body at the time the work is experienced, the surrounding context of the artist's life and work, etc.) and what can objectively be gleamed from a critical analysis of the work done by anyone, where none of the aforementioned subjective factors are present. I replied to the OP because he inferred he'd proved the albums worth when all he did was prove what it meant to him based on said aforementioned factors and said nothing about the work itself. But you seem perfectly understanding of this anyway unlike some posters in other threads, so again not trying to come at you. I did that test a while ago, I don't remember what I got but it started with E, I think it was "the commander" or something along those lines Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
XoXoJoanneGaga 629 Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 6 hours ago, TheBatman said: Aura: from the laugh, to "dance, sex, art, pop" to teasing burqa as if she was going to make some statement about women covering up/religion/gender expectations SOMETHING, despite asking us if we want to see behind her aura, the song never lets us in. "It's not a statement so much as a move of passion" is a good line for the song, cause it's all passion and drama but no statement. Rumoured single Venus: Sounds like the theme song to a cheap sci fi kids show. The parts of the song are very disjointed, each part just starting and stopping abruptly with little tying them together. Has a couple great hooks, but it's just such a joke of a song, and second song in we still haven't said a single thing about anything. I like the little rundown of the planets lol. Rumoured single G.U.Y. I like this one! The production still sounds cheap, but it works ok. I like it alright, and I like that it plays somewhat with gender? Sort of? While ultimately still being about being submissive to a man. Nothing remarkable, just a catchy fun song. SINGLE Sexxx Dreams, I like this one a lot! Same story as GUY, nothing remarkable, just a fun catchy song about sex dreams. I like the production of this one more and her vocals. Jewls....MESS MANiCURE: My favorite so far! Loved it live as well. Great melody, hook, chorus, really feeling this one. STILL, not much of a statement except that the love of a man is like medicine to her. A cool sound for her, could hear more of this style working for her. Once again, not remarkable, but could have performed as a single. DWUW: I like this one a lot! Too bad about R Kelly and the video and all that mess. This has a concrete idea and is fleshed out in the lyrics and makes a great statement about identity and celebrity. Production once again nothing remarkable, but I wanted this song to slay radio and it's too bad how things went. ARTPOP: What an eyeroll. I don't mind the production. I don't mind the melody. It's pretty fun. But puhlease with the lyrics, what a joke. The statement is what? Art and pop music can belong together and I will make it happen! And it means nothing! Swine: Imperfect, but best statement on the album. The production is cool, but sounds dated and cheap to 2016. Needed some more work, but this is the standout track on the album for me as far as artistry goes. Donatelle: B side, just doesn't do it for me. Hate the vocals, lyrics, the production sounds like same sounds used on the rest of the album, just a dumb celebration of being rich but lacking humour. Fashion: B side, but I don't hate it. We are the world we own the world!!! Love that line and her delivery of it. Just a throwaway song though. I like certain things about it, the piano at the beginning. Mary Jane Holland: Dumb BTW B side Reminds me of better songs on BTW. Dope: just SO contrived, Ugh I wanted to like it, hate the vocals, just, didn't work, the lyrics and melody are so simple and she sings them in such an affected way, it is a fail for me, and the "statement" doesn't work. It comes across college theatre performance. Applause: Very fun song, riffing on her better hits, was disappointed when it came out because I expected something earth shaking and original and we got Gaga parodying Gaga instead. I'm sorry to break it you sir, but uh... You're just intellectually deficient. Try again when you've freed your mind and heart Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfonso 1,549 Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 Great review ARTPOP is finally starting to get the recognition it deserves Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartySick 160,199 Posted April 27, 2016 Author Share Posted April 27, 2016 1 hour ago, Alfonso said: Great review ARTPOP is finally starting to get the recognition it deserves Thank ya I gave it recognition before it came out Billionaires are a cancer. Even the ones you like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARTGOD 3,266 Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 OMG I'm so happy to finally see all this love for ARTGOD, I just knew that eventually the album would slowly start to get the recognition it deserves . i don't know what else to say, my love for it started during the BTW era and I just wanted something lighter and more colorful than what we were getting, years later Applause came out and it was everything I wanted from her, everything she did during the ARTPOP era i loved, i was so excited that I was blind to the overall messiness of it. Then when everything went down and people started hating it I just couldn't understand why, then gave it a closer look and then I could see through the excitement and I realized the pain and chaos in ARTPOP, she hadn't just given me a fun and energetic album, she hadn't given me the deep ART and POP coming together theme she promised (for the most part), she just took the pain out of her chest and painted it pink, and I just could relate so much to that. Aside from my personal connection to it I just think it's a great album, it's colorful, varied, the production is top notch, she experiments a lot with song structure and sonority, her vocals are great, the lyrics are so weird and wacky and I just like that. I'd say it's her best album along with Born This Way, I just can't understand people that say TFM is her best album, yes it is very polished, cohesive and great, but lacks the soul and experimentation that BTW and ARTPOP have, they are just so grand and epic, you can see her soul, what she stands for, her artistry and thoughts about the world. That's it, great analysis btw Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Bromance 5,809 Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 OMG @PartySick, this track-by-track analysis of ARTPOP you have given us is beyond amazing! Great job, kiddo!! Thank you for alerting me to this topic by tagging me @Son of ARTPOP. Party Sick posted this topic at 3:26 am in the morning so I wasn't around to comment on it. The last two days have been really busy for me at work so I haven't had much time here on GGD but to reply to my PMs and answer a few people who have quoted me so I apologize for the delayed response. As Party Sick has stated, ARTPOP is an amazing album. It's too bad the majority of the people in this forum don't appreciate it at all. I'm glad we have a few fans that truly love the album regardless of its chart performance. @djBuffoon, did you have a chance to read Party Sick's track-by-track analysis of ARTPOP? I think you're really going to love it. I don't care what you think about unless it is about me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartySick 160,199 Posted April 28, 2016 Author Share Posted April 28, 2016 8 minutes ago, Bad Bromance said: OMG @PartySick, this track-by-track analysis of ARTPOP you have given us is beyond amazing! Great job, kiddo!! Thank you for alerting me to this topic by tagging me @Son of ARTPOP. Party Sick posted this topic at 3:26 am in the morning so I wasn't around to comment on it. The last two days have been really busy for me at work so I haven't had much time here on GGD but to reply to my PMs and answer a few people who have quoted me so I apologize for the delayed response. As Party Sick has stated, ARTPOP is an amazing album. It's too bad the majority of the people in this forum don't appreciate it at all. I'm glad we have a few fans that truly love the album regardless of its chart performance. @djBuffoon, did you have a chance to read Party Sick's track-by-track analysis of ARTPOP? I think you're really going to love it. Thank you Billionaires are a cancer. Even the ones you like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Bromance 5,809 Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 3 minutes ago, PartySick said: Thank you You're welcome!!! I don't care what you think about unless it is about me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regiment 901 Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 On 4/26/2016 at 2:14 AM, CoCo1 said: I'm sorry to break it you sir, but uh... You're just intellectually deficient. Try again when you've freed your mind and heart I screamed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
djBuffoon 12,120 Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 @Bad Bromance thank you for calling my attention to this! @PartySick I agree with your assessments of each and every track. Obviously not in terms of the personal associstions, but in what each song means at its core, and how they connect very specifically to Gaga's experiences during the time she crafted it. Echoing what most people in this thread have already stated, I adore this album. I love its energy, its passion, its humor, its melody, and (most of) its production. It doesn't quite hit the dizzying creative heights of Born This Way, but it is a close second. A singular and worthy piece, in and of itself. No other artist that I can think of, let alone a female pop star, could have possibly assembled this album. And when I glance at the other works that of her contemporaries are releasing, I can't help but note how different this album is. This is unquestionably a "Gaga" album, and that alone is worthy of commending. I also don't understand how people can say that ARTPOP doesn't have a heart. Not only do I beg to differ, but I would argue that this is her most vulnerable, naked, openly emotional record to date. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Bromance 5,809 Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 10 minutes ago, djBuffoon said: @Bad Bromance thank you for calling my attention to this! @PartySick I agree with your assessments of each and every track. Obviously not in terms of the personal associstions, but in what each song means at its core, and how they connect very specifically to Gaga's experiences during the time she crafted it. Echoing what most people in this thread have already stated, I adore this album. I love its energy, its passion, its humor, its melody, and (most of) its production. It doesn't quite hit the dizzying creative heights of Born This Way, but it is a close second. A singular and worthy piece, in and of itself. No other artist that I can think of, let alone a female pop star, could have possibly assembled this album. And when I glance at the other works that of her contemporaries are releasing, I can't help but note how different this album is. This is unquestionably a "Gaga" album, and that alone is worthy of commending. I also don't understand how people can say that ARTPOP doesn't have a heart. Not only do I beg to differ, but I would argue that this is her most vulnerable, naked, openly emotional record to date. I couldn't agree with you more! I don't care what you think about unless it is about me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartySick 160,199 Posted April 28, 2016 Author Share Posted April 28, 2016 14 minutes ago, djBuffoon said: @Bad Bromance thank you for calling my attention to this! @PartySick I agree with your assessments of each and every track. Obviously not in terms of the personal associstions, but in what each song means at its core, and how they connect very specifically to Gaga's experiences during the time she crafted it. Echoing what most people in this thread have already stated, I adore this album. I love its energy, its passion, its humor, its melody, and (most of) its production. It doesn't quite hit the dizzying creative heights of Born This Way, but it is a close second. A singular and worthy piece, in and of itself. No other artist that I can think of, let alone a female pop star, could have possibly assembled this album. And when I glance at the other works that of her contemporaries are releasing, I can't help but note how different this album is. This is unquestionably a "Gaga" album, and that alone is worthy of commending. I also don't understand how people can say that ARTPOP doesn't have a heart. Not only do I beg to differ, but I would argue that this is her most vulnerable, naked, openly emotional record to date. I totally agree oh and since you mentioned it, I did this for Born This Way too @Bad Bromance you can check that one out too if you'd like Spoiler Shameless promo Billionaires are a cancer. Even the ones you like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Bromance 5,809 Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 2 minutes ago, PartySick said: I totally agree oh and since you mentioned it, I did this for Born This Way too @Bad Bromance you can check that one out too if you'd like Hide contents Shameless promo OMG, please provide the link to that thread so I may read it!! I don't care what you think about unless it is about me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartySick 160,199 Posted April 28, 2016 Author Share Posted April 28, 2016 5 minutes ago, Bad Bromance said: OMG, please provide the link to that thread so I may read it!! I wish it was more obvious when words become links here ya go Billionaires are a cancer. Even the ones you like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
XoXoJoanneGaga 629 Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 29 minutes ago, Regiment said: I screamed. That user might have been the biggest moron I've seen on this site. I was so annoyed the thread got locked before I could respond Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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