"My wife wouldn't want to give birth next to an Arab woman"

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5 minutes ago, Whispering said:

If a certain culture (whatever that may be) has a practice of having a party with food and lots of people in a hospital room, then why not match those individuals up so it can be one big party and not disturb those don't want to recuperate in that manner? If this is an issue and moms aren't getting what they need, why not try to accomadate them? 

In the US, the rooms are private in a maternity ward. Visitors and visiting times are limited in semi-private rooms for other floors in the hospital. If a person in that situation was having family and friends that were disturbing the other person, then the visitors would be cut back even more and the other person would probably be moved to a different room. 

 

because it's racist to segregate people based on their ethnicity/culture, the desires of a mother are individual. 

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35 minutes ago, YourSweet666 said:

 

because it's racist to segregate people based on their ethnicity/culture, the desires of a mother are individual. 

It isn't racist to give moms a different post birth environment. The desires of an individual are not based on race here, but on needing different environments during the hospital stay. If at all possible, why wouldn't a hospital try to give their patients what is best for them? 

Looks like it is an issue that is being treated with common sense and respect anyway:

The head of the hospital has just testified before the Knesset, reveals that many Muslim women don't want to be placed in the same room as a Jewish women; and that orthodox women prefer not to be placed with non orthodox on the Sabbath in view of cell phone use - all of these requests are accommodated.

 

Problem solved. The patients' requests and individual needs were listened to and respected. 

[River 127,487]

ok ok let's say like this:

Mom 1 family brought food and celebrating the new baby born.

Mom 2 wants silence

Mom 2 says to the nurses: I need silence can you please move me to another room? I don't want to disturb their happiness but I really need silence. - not racist, understandable.

NOT

Those arabs are doing party here kick those ****ers out I hate them, barbarians. - racist.

 

The funny things is that most of the doctors in Jerusalem hospitals are.. hmm.. guess? Arabic.

[lego 44,165]

24 minutes ago, Whispering said:

It isn't racist to give moms a different post birth environment. The desires of an individual are not based on race here, but on needing different environments during the hospital stay. If at all possible, why wouldn't a hospital try to give their patients what is best for them? 

 

It is when you separate people based on ethnicity.

 

Haaretz has a report that there are differences over whether the practice is taking place.

The medical establishment insisted on Wednesday that there was no segregation between Jewish and Arab women in maternity wards. However, Arab doctors complained of racist and discriminatory treatment by medical staff in the country’s hospitals…

 

For many years the health establishment has been segregating Arab and Jewish mothers who come to deliver their babies, particularly in hospitals and maternity wards that serve mixed populations. While this may not be official policy, it is implemented by nurses on these wards, with doctors and hospital management turning a blind eye.

Here is the translation of an article from Israeli Maariv, published 13th April 2016 by Orit A. Brown and Arik Bender. Translation: Jonathan Ofir. It includes the shocking quote: “When a midwife delivers an Arab baby she is asked ‘Did you bring us another terrorist?”

The committee for promotion of women’s standing and cross-ethnic equality of the Knesset headed by Member of Knesset Aida Toma-Saliman discussed this morning (Wednesday) the issue of separation between Jewish and Arab mothers giving birth in hospitals, an issue which came into political and public debate following MK Bezalel Smotrich’s words on the matter. [Smotrich supported the segregation of women giving birth on an ethnic basis.]

 

Professor Dorit Hochner, director of the maternity ward at Hadassah Har Hatzofim was called upon for comment and said: “We respect mothers’ requests, when orthodox mothers don’t want to share a room, we will respect that request. It isn’t racism.” Dr. Lena Kassem, from Doctors for Human Rights, told of the separation in hospitals and regarded Shaarei Tzedek [in Jerusalem] hospital: “When a midwife delivers an Arab baby she is asked ‘Did you bring us another terrorist?’ I heard it with my own ears”.

 

Kassem added further:

 

“There is a clear separation between Jews and Arabs. When it’s an Arab, they say I am passing on a ‘speaker’ [of Arabic]. It’s true that the policy of the hospital does not support racism, but the overall atmosphere of the staff is overtly racist, especially in Shaarei Tzedek. Pass a night there and listen to the general atmosphere – they don’t call the woman by her name but rather say ‘the Ethiopean’, ‘the Russian’, ‘the Arab’. The Arab woman receives a deriding treatment, they put her at the end of the hall and when there’s an emergency it takes time to reach her. This has medical implications upon the health of that woman.”

 

In the discussion, participants were, amongst others, representatives of the Health Ministry, Chairman of the Union of Hospital Managers, the Israeli Medical Union as well as NGO’s and organisations including Adalah – the legal center for rights of the Arab minority in Israel, Naamat, Doctors for Human Rights and more.

- See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2016/04/segregation-of-palestinians-and-jews-in-maternity-wards-becomes-an-issue-in-israel/#sthash.2v4elvRB.dpuf

 

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4 minutes ago, YourSweet666 said:

 

It is when you separate people based on ethnicity.

 

All I'm saying is that I would respect individual patients wishes to have an environment that promotes their healing during their hospital time, all within reason. If needs that are different can be met by different measures, then that would be an optimal outcome.