Gaga and Jamie Lee Curtis promote Hilary Clinton in a new photo

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Just now, LebaneseDude said:

He's commander in chief, not supreme commander.

To get any of his plans he needs more money. That money is going to come from somewhere. If the Republicans somehow magically agree to his plans (lol), then the only compromise that will work is tax increases leveled across the board. Increasing taxes on "the rich" by 16% is hilariously high. This is nothing more than manipulating the average supporter into a more sidelined extremist stance by exploiting their vulnerable "oppressed" state.

supreme commander? wtf I never implied that. is this american horror story: white house now? Completely irrelevant talking point dude.

Why do you think he needs more money to get any of his plans...lol like what does that even mean. As president, your ability to write sound legislation is not determined by your net worth. And if you think the republicans won't listen to Bernie..... you think they'll listen to Hilary? LOL they hate her more than hitler himself. 

Either way, Bernie is standing up against things Hillary shys away from, she is a coward and owned by her financiers. That is simply why I believe Bernie is the better choice for President.

I'm done here.

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9 minutes ago, mattwiththehat said:

supreme commander? wtf I never implied that. is this american horror story: white house now? Completely irrelevant talking point dude.

Why do you think he needs more money to get any of his plans...lol like what does that even mean. As president, your ability to write sound legislation is not determined by your net worth. And if you think the republicans won't listen to Bernie..... you think they'll listen to Hilary? LOL they hate her more than hitler himself. 

Either way, Bernie is standing up against things Hillary shys away from, she is a coward and owned by her financiers. That is simply why I believe Bernie is the better choice for President.

I'm done here.

You literally implied that Bernie will command them to pay up. That's something you expect from a fascist dictator not a president.

Also where did I say Hillary has more influence because of her net worth. Like what? Also a president can write all the legislation in the world. People still have to agree to it.

Republicans dislike both Hillary and Bernie. Bernie's promised policies are simply too much for a Republican (and more Democrats than you realize) to handle. Hillary's centrist views are more malleable and prone to compromise. She's exhibited this capability throughout her career. So has Sanders by the way, but he has never approached topics of this magnitude.

And considering he's never handled topics of such magnitude, I wonder where your confidence in him in succeeding is coming from. Is Vermont a socialist utopia right now? You put so much faith in something he has never accomplished, while bashing Hillary for actually trying.

In any case, one can easily lob several descriptions about Bernie from stubborn to overzealous, owned by his own ego and socialist agenda and incapable of compromise. It's why I think Hillary is better, but you don't see me say those things about Bernie, because if he does become the nominee, I'm going to support him and his flaws will look like golden virtues compared to Trump and Co.

I'm hardly done here. I'm just getting started. Feel free to comment on my posts any time. Take care

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4 minutes ago, LebaneseDude said:

You literally implied that Bernie will command them to pay up. That's something you expect from a fascist dictator not a president.

Also where did I say Hillary has more influence because of her net worth. Like what? Also a president can write all the legislation in the world. People still have to agree to it.

Republicans dislike both Hillary and Bernie. Bernie's promised policies are simply too much for a Republican (and more Democrats than you realize) to handle. Hillary's centrist views are more malleable and prone to compromise. She's exhibited this capability throughout her career. So has Sanders by the way, but he has never approached topics of this magnitude.

And considering he's never handled topics of such magnitude, I wonder where your confidence in him in succeeding is coming from. Is Vermont a socialist utopia right now? You put so much faith in something he has never accomplished, while bashing Hillary for actually trying.

In any case, one can easily lob several descriptions about Bernie from stubborn to overzealous, owned by his own ego and socialist agenda and incapable of compromise. It's why I think Hillary is better.

I'm hardly done here. I'm just getting started. Feel free to comment on my posts any time. Take care

Ok i'll ill let you know, enjoy the next few primaries. Not looking so good for Hillary

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1 minute ago, mattwiththehat said:

Ok i'll ill let you know, enjoy the next few primaries. Not looking so good for Hillary

Hillary has far more delegates than Sanders what are you smoking?

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Could we please stay on topic? Please take the political debate about the campaign in the Conversation Area, unless it specifically has to with Gaga's and Jamie Lee Curtis' promotion of Hillary, whether you agree with it or not, and/or Gaga's support for the Clintons.

Refer to this thread:

 

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2 hours ago, Michelle said:

What is this thread  my goodness.

Hahahaha exactly 

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8 minutes ago, LebaneseDude said:

Hillary has far more delegates than Sanders what are you smoking?

I meant the future primaries. Sure she has more...now. It's halftime, and her favorable states are behind her. The last state she won was Arizona, and even that's questionable considering the voting catastrophe that went on there. This is the same trajectory she followed campaigning against Obama in 08'...an early landslide predicted victory followed by  a midway collapse.

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1 minute ago, mattwiththehat said:

I meant the future primaries. Sure she has more...now. It's halftime, and her favorable states are behind her. The last state she won was Arizona, and even that's questionable considering the voting catastrophe that went on there. This is the same trajectory she followed campaigning against Obama in 08'...an early landslide predicted victory and midway collapse.

She doesn't have to win the states. The number of delegates are what counts. She's getting an equal number to Sanders in almost all the recent ones. She needs 33% of the remaining delegates. Sanders needs 66%. If you can't tell which one is in more dire straits, well... don't know what else to tell you.

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Just now, LebaneseDude said:

She doesn't have to win the states. Those are just for show. The number of delegates are what counts.

...yes and Bernie is earning more delegates at an accelerated rate...

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Just now, mattwiththehat said:

...yes and Bernie is earning more delegates at an accelerated rate...

Implying that supposing she does lose every state from now on it's going to be an exponential increase to the point where she gains none 

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Just now, LebaneseDude said:

Implying that supposing she does lose every state from now on it's going to be an exponential increase to the point where she gains none 

It's funny, you're convinced she's untouchable. New York and California are going to shock you, looking forward to it.

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5 hours ago, mattwiththehat said:

"Get things done" That's so vague. She'd get things done, sure...but they would be for special interests and wall street first and foremost, not the working class american people.

The fact that you didn't negate my assertion that he would be a lame duck president is the issue here.

 

And our government has been run by special interests since Washington. Secretary Hamilton was considered a greedy fraud and swayed Washington to do his bidding in the early days of his presidency.

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6 hours ago, mattwiththehat said:

Lol no? As the leader of the executive branch, Bernie would have all the resources and conviction to get this plan into motion. The rich WILL pay higher taxes regardless under his command and if they don't and jump to tax havens (hence the panama papers scandal) it exposes more of their corruption to the world which would initiate an FBI IRS investigation. I'm fully aware of the logistics, but I don't think you understand that the power and greed of the rich is the backbone of your defense.

"it wont happen, its unrealistic....we'll just tax the middle class more".... that's an incredibly dangerous, and cowardly self fulfilling prophecy if I've ever seen one.

As the leader of the executive branch, he will still have to get his policies approved by Congress. There would have to be a total reform of tax laws, which would have to go through Congress and they aren't going to vote for what Bernie is proposing. 

States will refuse to pay (at minimum) a third of the price of free tuition. They will not increase state taxes that much. State Universities will become a privatized state college. That means all the big state schools will be institutions for the ones who can afford to pay for college. 

Healthcare will become privatized as well. Doctors and Medical Groups will refuse to offer care to those under the free healthcare system. Those who are willing to pay so much per month will have a different level of healthcare. There will always be a way for the people that make a good living to get better services. 

You are giving way too much power to the presidential position. 

It is dangerous to believe these pie in the sky promises and vote for a person that has no foreign policy experience and very little knowledge in that area. This statement describes both Bernie and Trump! 

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11 hours ago, Jacob Marley said:

The fact that you didn't negate my assertion that he would be a lame duck president is the issue here.

 

And our government has been run by special interests since Washington. Secretary Hamilton was considered a greedy fraud and swayed Washington to do his bidding in the early days of his presidency.

So we should just let things continue on as they are? We should just accept this??