Gaga and Jamie Lee Curtis promote Hilary Clinton in a new photo

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6 minutes ago, Fahs said:

It won't be the first time in US history were taxes are raised. Taxes went up to over 80% under Roosevelt's term. These things are possible and have been done before. Nothing is impossible.

Nothing is impossible in an unrealistic world in the minds of people who don't follow or don't understand the way the government works. 

A member of Congress would find themselves voted out of office by their constituents if they raised taxes in any substantial way. That's the bottom line, right there.  

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10 minutes ago, faysalaaa1 said:

The point ive made from the begining is Gaga is a hypocrite and condtradicting herself by voting for Hilary.. if you have an argument against that, we can talk about it but all you are doing is saying invalid things like giving me the definition of voting and telling me everyone has the freedom to vote for however they want. Also, I never said you or Gaga cared what I believe.

And your point from the beginning has been ridiculous and way off. Gaga is not contradicting herself by supporting Hillary. 

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7 minutes ago, faysalaaa1 said:

?

 12 hours ago,  faysalaaa1 said: 

"If Bernie can make it possible, others will have the chance to do the same thing.. maybe not everyone but it will give hope for alot of independent candidates and for people to know the truth about their government witch will make them listen to independent candidates more. If this happens, it might not end government corruption but it will sure challenge it."
 

Sometimes a revolution does not always manifest itself through pitch forks & the overthrowing of a government, but instead through incremental changes & working its way through the system & letting the system implode inward on itself.

 

"Thats even worse to support a president of your country that will effect the whole world based on invalid emotional reasons.. being a hypocrite is much better."

 

Well sorry to break it to ya, but that is how a lot of people vote in this country...  Weather it be who they think is the most honest, the one they know or can have a beer with, or the one who they think can bring change!  Everyone has their reasons, and just because their final decision doesn't match up with your's does not automatically make them less intelligent or not have studied up on the candidates or issues at hand...

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2 minutes ago, Whispering said:

And your point from the beginning has been ridiculous and way off. Gaga is not contradicting herself by supporting Hillary. 

Gaga always spoke against money corporation corruption in government and politics.. Gaga also believes that everything like education and healthcare should be "free" like in Canada and Europe.. shes also a feminist that believes all women who accuse others of rape should be believes (witch hilary also believes) yet Hilary;s husband is accused of rape and sexual abuse.. and many things like foreign affair wars and racial issues that all matches bernie sanders.

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I'm not going to pretend like I agree with her but if Bernie doesn't win the nomination I think Hillary is the next best choice. 

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3 hours ago, LebaneseDude said:

You calling people retarded is pretty immature. It's especially hilarious when you presume that most people hold the same priorities as you. Compared to most politicians of the world, Hillary is like Ghandi. I personally don't give a rats ass about the times she ****ed up. I look at what she did right. Those hold more value for me. Considering Sanders has done nothing of value to me, then no I won't support him even if I theoretically share many of his principles. As I get older, I'm leaning more towards pragmatism than idealism. Part of growing up I suppose.

Oh and your second sentence is also pretty stupid. (Note how I call your sentence stupid, not you yourself). Making Hillary look horrible is a double-edged sword. If she gets the nomination, you're essentially doing the GOPs work for them. It's why people are telling you to chill the fk down.

Comparing the activity of "Hillbots" and "Berniebots" on most social media sites, one can easily see which side is doing the most damage to the potential nominee. 

To put it bluntly, if Sanders wins, you're going to see me dramatically shift to supporting him despite his many, many faults. 

 

You're so extra, dude. 

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3 minutes ago, En_Sabah_Nur said:

Sometimes a revolution does not always manifest itself through pitch forks & the overthrowing of a government, but instead through incremental changes & working its way through the system & letting the system implode inward on itself.

Well sorry to break it to ya, but that is how a lot of people vote in this country...  Weather it be who they think is the most honest, the one they know or can have a beer with, or the one who they think can bring change!  Everyone has their reasons, and just because their final decision doesn't match up with your's does not automatically make them less intelligent or not have studied up on the candidates or issues at hand...

I never said anything about overthrowing the government.. I said Bernies win will be amazing to see as he did not run a corrupted campaign and he will also change many things socially. Those people who vote for someone because they can have a drink with them are stupid and ruining this country and im just calling them out on it. I personally hate Sanders and think he will make everything worse so im not attacking Gaga because she doesnt agree with me.

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Yasssss Hilary!!!!

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6 hours ago, Jacob Marley said:

The first difference is she would get things done and not become a lame duck president on day one.

"Get things done" That's so vague. She'd get things done, sure...but they would be for special interests and wall street first and foremost, not the working class american people.

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11 minutes ago, faysalaaa1 said:

Gaga always spoke against money corporation corruption in government and politics.. Gaga also believes that everything like education and healthcare should be "free" like in Canada and Europe.. shes also a feminist that believes all women who accuse others of rape should be believes (witch hilary also believes) yet Hilary;s husband is accused of rape and sexual abuse.. and many things like foreign affair wars and racial issues that all matches bernie sanders.

Links on the first two statements in this paragraph. By the way, Education is free for PreK-12th grade, with no limits on who can apply to college, what majors you can choose when you get there, or what classes you can take. (Unlike many other countries with "free college") Also, just because Bernie says something, doesn't make it so. Lastly, one can believe that college should be free, but still believe that Hillary is the best overall and experienced choice for the presidency. People rarely agree with every single policy of any candidate....unless they are extremely blinded by some cult-like group think situation. The majority of adults select the candidate that best matches the views THEY feel are the most important. Those views vary from person to person. Most people are not single issue voters.  

Yes, Gaga is a feminist and so is Hillary. Gaga's racial views and human rights views also match up with Hillary. 

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1 minute ago, faysalaaa1 said:

I never said anything about overthrowing the government.. I said Bernies win will be amazing to see as he did not run a corrupted campaign and he will also change many things socially. Those people who vote for someone because they can have a drink with them are stupid and ruining this country and im just calling them out on it. I personally hate Sanders and think he will make everything worse so im not attacking Gaga because she doesnt agree with me.

I agree with the drink thing as well, I have always thought that was a stupid a** reason to actually vote for somebody on.  And yes I know YOU did not say anything about overthrowing the government, but a lot of Bernie Supporters would like to have that happen tho(at least in the political sense anyway).

But my overall point is, is that Bernie Sanders needs to have more realistic goals & not so much high in the sky pie unrealistic goals is all I'm getting at.

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11 minutes ago, En_Sabah_Nur said:

I agree with the drink thing as well, I have always thought that was a stupid a** reason to actually vote for somebody on.  And yes I know YOU did not say anything about overthrowing the government, but a lot of Bernie Supporters would like to have that happen tho(at least in the political sense anyway).

But my overall point is, is that Bernie Sanders needs to have more realistic goals & not so much high in the sky pie unrealistic goals is all I'm getting at.

I do agree with that, I think his ideas are good short term and might sound good but it will ruin the country
 

13 minutes ago, Whispering said:

Links on the first two statements in this paragraph. By the way, Education is free for PreK-12th grade, with no limits on who can apply to college, what majors you can choose when you get there, or what classes you can take. (Unlike many other countries with "free college") Also, just because Bernie says something, doesn't make it so. Lastly, one can believe that college should be free, but still believe that Hillary is the best overall and experienced choice for the presidency. People rarely agree with every single policy of any candidate....unless they are extremely blinded by some cult-like group think situation. The majority of adults select the candidate that best matches the views THEY feel are the most important. Those views vary from person to person. Most people are not single issue voters.  

Yes, Gaga is a feminist and so is Hillary. Gaga's racial views and human rights views also match up with Hillary. 

Yes I do understand that but none of us can have an argument with Gaga so we make up our opinion based on the information that is presented to us in public.. I personally do believe Gaga is voting for Hilary because shes a woman, I never said it was a fact but it seems that way to me and im sharig my thoughts here. What links are you talking about? 

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2 hours ago, Fahs said:

I think I just admire the fact that Bernie has always stood for the same things and doesn't seem to be phased by where the tide is going.

I think what a lot of people fail to realize is that Bernie Sanders is from the most liberal state in the union(Vermont)!   The only place in America (probably) where you can call yourself a socialist or a democratic-socialist and get elected to public office.  So because of this, he has never had to fear being kicked out of office because of his far left positions on issues.  Where as most other politicians would have not only been voted out of office for taking a lot of his positions, they would have been ran out of town in some places...   Had he been the senator of almost any other state in the union, he most likely would not have a lot of the current positions that he currently has right now, or he would have changed quite a few of them over time(Like Hillary Has) to comport with the changing times.  I mean what is the point of taking the moral high ground on every issue when it can potentially get you voted out of office & then you won't be in office to get ANYTHING done!  For example, if he had taken a more liberal stance on guns in a rural state like Vermont - he might not have gotten re-elected.   So he is definitely the product off circumstance and his environment. So you can't blame other politicians for not having the same circumstance or environment.  Most politicians do not have that luxury unfortunately...  Smh 

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7 minutes ago, faysalaaa1 said:

I do agree with that, I think his ideas are good short term and might sound good but it will ruin the country

As if the country isn't already ruined

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2 hours ago, Fahs said:

 

I think I just admire the fact that Bernie has always stood for the same things and doesn't seem to be phased by where the tide is going.

Do you think that this is always a positive though?

There's this quote I love to use. 

I am a man of fixed and unbending principles, the first of which is to be flexible at all times - Everett Dickson

Bernie lacks flexibility. He sticks to his principles, which is admirable, but does not engage in diplomacy that's expected in the political world. It's why he hasn't managed to make many friends. Do you think someone who does not compromise to be someone fit for president, especially when global politics aren't always going to go your way?

I've said before that Hillary has messed up, but Sanders hasn't even done anything on a global scale to warrant mentioning. How would he mess up if he hasn't done anything? By what scale do you judge his competence? As a senator of Vermont, a relatively chill easy-going state?

Hillary has done accomplished many remarkable feats on the world scale, from human rights, to healthcare rights and women's rights. She fought for LGBT rights across the globe She fought for the rights of war veterans. She helped achieve ceasefire between Israel and Hamas. She helped bring Iran to the fold through her sanctions. Literally every foreign policy that has been a success in Obama's administration has been through Clinton. I can go on and on about the good things she has done.

She's been very prominent on the local and international stage, and clearly people all over the world have had over 40 years to form opinions about her. That can range from positive to outright hostile. The GOP has run the most elaborate smear campaign on her that I've ever seen. Even democrats have fallen for it. Even now Bernie supporters quote those smears as if they have a shred of truth in them. Who do you think went through all the trouble to indict her for emails and Benghazi? Look what happened. Nothing.

What has Sanders done in that field? Nothing. No one outside of the USA even heard of him and he has no experience in foreign policy, where the president in truth is very much involved when USA is expected to be a world superpower.

So yeah. I'm much more comfortable with Hillary because I know that she will do alright by people in and out of the USA. I fear Bernie has his sights only on the internal workings of the USA and even then, given the present state of Congress in Republican hands, one wonders if he'll ever get anything done.