Hebron: disarmed alleged assailant shot in the head, soldier suspended

[JDi 1,495]

47 minutes ago, Azor Ahai said:

Oh I completely misread that. I thought you meant "fired" as in "fire a gun" 

same.

Simon is still a blind Zionist though. "allegedly" is perfectly adequate wording.

[JDi 1,495]

1 hour ago, YourSweet666 said:

 

The soldier said he did nothing wrong.

Empty condemnations and suspension is because it was caught on tape and went viral. 

They got orders and incitement from the top to shoot to kill no matter what.

 

Israel has me scratching my head like nothing else.

[Melech 9,900]

16 minutes ago, JDi said:

same.

Simon is still a blind Zionist though. "allegedly" is perfectly adequate wording.

@Shadow And I guess I get called out, right? 

[JDi 1,495]

Just now, Simon said:

@Shadow And I guess I get called out, right? 

huh?

are you crying to someone for being called a Zionist? aren't you self-proclaimed?

[JDi 1,495]

what I meant was that your history of delusional responses to anything that makes Israel look bad was likely the reason me and that other user misread your post.

[Shadow 6,697]

4 hours ago, JDi said:

what I meant was that your history of delusional responses to anything that makes Israel look bad was likely the reason me and that other user misread your post.

You need to stop as well. Y'all need to stop getting personal with each other. If you can't debate without name calling, perhaps it is best to avoid the topic. The discussion should be about the issues, making points, not attacks, please. 

[Shadow 6,697]

4 hours ago, Simon said:

@Shadow And I guess I get called out, right? 

No. The rules apply to everyone and if someone attacks you, you have the right to report them. 

Can we keep it civil in this thread?

[lego 44,165]

 

 

only 5% define it as murder?

 

[lego 44,165]

The killing sparked international outcry, with a senior UN official branding it an "extrajudicial execution" and a "gruesome, immoral, and unjust act that can only fuel more violence and escalate an already volatile situation."

However, while Israel's political establishment at first roundly denounced the killing, its leaders have since become locked in a growing debate in which many have wished to be seen voicing the loudest support for Israel's armed forces.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu initially condemned the killing, which he said did "not represent the values of the IDF (Israeli Defense Forces)," suggesting the soldier had behaved neither "level-headedly" nor "in accordance with the rules of engagement."

By Sunday, however, he seemed to be backtracking on his remarks, saying he was certain the army's investigation into the killing would consider the fact that Israeli soldiers fight "bloodthirsty murderers under difficult operational conditions." Netanyahu appeared in part to be responding to Israeli media pressure, which has given voice to the soldier's claims he felt threatened by the severely wounded Palestinian, even though he had been lying on the ground supine more than 10 minutes before the soldier killed him.

But much of the debate has been brought on by Israeli Education Minister Naftali Bennett, head of the far-right Jewish Home party, who quickly offered his support to the family of the soldier, who he described as "outstanding." At the weekly Cabinet meeting, Netanyahu and Bennett came head-to-head, with Bennet saying the soldier's murder charge was "outrageous," and he had been convicted by Israel's political establishment before he had faced a thorough investigation. "We are at war against murderous Palestinian terror. At the forefront stands the soldier, and we face a test," he was quoted as telling the Cabinet in Israeli daily Haaretz. "Why was the soldier taken off in handcuffs? What message does that send to soldiers?"

Other ministers defended their condemnations, with Interior Minister Arye Dery saying it was important to investigate the killing "seriously" because Israel was in a public relations "war" with the Palestinians, Haaretz reported.

However, Netanyahu quickly rose to Bennett's challenge, seeking to be seen as the greater ally of Israel's army. "I always back up IDF soldiers," he reportedly told the education minister. "I have always given support to soldiers and have led more soldiers into battle than you. Don't preach to me about supporting IDF soldiers."

The debate found its way into the Knesset on Monday, where Defense Minister Moshe Yaalon denounced Bennett for phoning the family of the soldier "in order to show encouragement and support," a Knesset press release said." This was an incident of a soldier who had transgressed, and not a hero," Yaalon told the parliament. "Do you want a brutish army with no moral backbone?" In response, Bennett later told the Knesset he had spoken not just once with the family of the soldier but "a number of times."

"Suddenly we cannot talk to the wonderful family of an outstanding soldier?" he was quoted in a Knesset press release. "Have we lost it? We send our children to protect us. We are talking about a battlefield, not some sterile media studio."

Palestinians and rights groups have stressed that the Hebron killing captured on camera last week was not an isolated incident, but representative of Israeli army practices common since a wave of knife attacks began last October. On Monday, the Palestinian leadership requested that the UN open an investigation into Israel's "extrajudicial executions," with PLO official Saeb Erekat saying: "These executions are not isolated events and Israel must be held accountable for committing these crimes.

"In Israel, meanwhile, Haaretz columnist Anshel Pfeffer noted that outside of foreign officials and diplomats, the killing had largely passed unnoticed by the international community."You would have expected the killing of Sharif to be headline news around the world," he wrote, "not only an internal debate over the battlefield morals of the Israel Defense Forces."

 

http://www.maannews.com/Content.aspx?ID=770898&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

 

[River 127,401]

Netanyahu is ****ing disgusting, he's changing his mind like he's Ms. Piggy wife is changing her underwear.

Now he's more soft with the soldier because Bennett (poor Tony, needs to share a family name with this monkey) is angry and he can get out of the government at any moment.. + he the extreme right and some of his supporters are calling him to quit.

Even Yehuda Glick, who is very extreme right said that the soldier is a murderer and the extreme right and some of Netanyahu supporters is calling him a traitor and told him "you had to die at the terror attack last year"

The soldier is in a big mess right now for his murderous action and I'm happy tbh, it's a mirror to the Israelis that violent is not the answer and to kill a disarmed terrorist is a murder..

Those who supports this soldiers are not Jews and not Israelis.. they are monsters.

[River 127,401]

There is an update, not a good one imo..

http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.712018

Israeli Soldier Behind Hebron Shooting Faces Manslaughter Charges
Army seeks to extend detention of Israeli soldier, who originally faced murder charges for shooting subdued Palestinian, for another week..

 

So they changed it from murder to manslaughter charges.. what a surprise..

For once they could do the right thing but they were probably scared of the extreme right and the sake of the government..