South African activist : Israel 'an apartheid state'

[Melech 9,900]

7 hours ago, HEARTHUNTER said:

Israel is doing the same thing to Palestinians than what Germany did to the Jewish.

History repeats and this time victims became predators.

Not sorry for this statement, the whole issue is scandalous.

Edit : I have nothing against religion, sorry if my original comment sounded extremely harsh, it wasn't the purpose. I'm sorry if I offended any of you.

**** you for saying that grandparents doing the same as the people who killed off their whole family. 

Btw Judaism is also an ethnicity

[Dolev 867]

8 hours ago, HEARTHUNTER said:

Israel is doing the same thing to Palestinians than what Germany did to the Jewish.

History repeats and this time victims became predators.

Not sorry for this statement, the whole issue is scandalous.

Edit : I have nothing against religion, sorry if my original comment sounded extremely harsh, it wasn't the purpose. I'm sorry if I offended any of you.

Your ignorance is disgusting. 

[Melech 9,900]

On topic: why is that even news worthy? I could also find Palestinian activists who are pro- israel

[Melech 9,900]

8 hours ago, HEARTHUNTER said:

There is no reason to run. Let's face the truth, it's really what's happening. I can't really blame Israel though, it's the UK's fault but what makes me blame it is that the Palestinian population is suffering and they did not ask for it. Seing Palestinian children dying for things they didn't do and being deprived from a future really disgusts me and I don't accept that.

And what about Jewish people who get stabbed almost daily in Palestine? I mean that is okay right? Only a dead Jew is a good Jew, right ?

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

15 minutes ago, Simon said:

On topic: why is that even news worthy? I could also find Palestinian activists who are pro- israel

Why are you implying that saying Israel is an apartheid state is the same as being anti-Israel?

Israel is an apartheid state in its current form. That's a fact given what's going in within its borders. There are solutions to the problem that neither side is willing to compromise for though, so it'll continue especially when outside influences are at play.

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

8 hours ago, HEARTHUNTER said:

Israel is doing the same thing to Palestinians than what Germany did to the Jewish.

History repeats and this time victims became predators.

Not sorry for this statement, the whole issue is scandalous.

 

Er no it's not. There's no need to employ hyperbole. The closest comparison is South Africa's apartheid state.

At least it hasn't gotten to that stage yet, although Israelis are becoming more comfortable with more violent solutions as the situation drags on there's no doubt about that. Palestinians are always going to be the more "violent" one when they're the ones being oppressed. That's just the nature of things. People in this thread using Palestinian violence to justify more violence are supposed to be civilized. Palestinians can't afford to be civilized.

[lego 44,165]

On 2/23/2016 at 11:34 PM, Cocaine Heart said:

South African Jewish anti-apartheid stalwart Denis Goldberg believes the Israeli occupation of Palestine and the use of separate laws for different groups of people makes Israel an apartheid state.

"There is no doubt in my mind that Israel is an apartheid state," Goldberg, who fought alongside late South African President Nelson Mandela and other activists against apartheid, told a gathering in Johannesburg.

"It's simple: the dominant group excludes the indigenous people from their equal rights within the borders of Israel itself and in the occupied territories, in breach of international law," he said.

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/news/africa/20070-veteran-south-african-activist-denis-goldberg-israel-an-apartheid-state

related good article

 

Haaretz op-ed declares 'It is time to admit it - Israeli policy is what it is: Apartheid'

Bradley Burston

 

What I'm about to write will not come easily for me.

I used to be one of those people who took issue with the label of apartheid as applied to Israel. I was one of those people who could be counted on to argue that, while the country's settlement and occupation policies were anti-democratic and brutal and slow-dose suicidal, the word apartheid did not apply.

I'm not one of those people any more.  Not after the last few weeks.

Not after terrorists firebombed a West Bank Palestinian home, annihilating a family, murdering an 18-month-old boy and his father, burning his mother over 90 percent of her body - only to have Israel's government rule the family ineligible for the financial support and compensation automatically granted Israeli victims of terrorism, settlers included.

I can't pretend anymore. Not after Israel's Justice Minister Ayelet Shaked, explicitly declaring stone-throwing to be terrorism, drove the passage of a bill holding stone-throwers liable to up to 20 years in prison.

The law did not specify that it targeted only Palestinian stone-throwers. It didn't have to.

Just one week later, pro-settlement Jews hurled rocks, furniture, and bottles of urine at Israeli soldiers and police at a West Bank settlement, and in response, Benjamin Netanyahu immediately rewarded the Jewish stone-throwers with a pledge to build hundreds of new settlement homes.

This is what has become of the rule of law. Two sets of books. One for Us, and one to throw at Them. Apartheid.

We are what we have created. We are what we do, and the injury we do in a thousand ways to millions of others. We are what we turn a blind eye to. Our Israel is what it has become: Apartheid.

There was a time when I drew a distinction between Benjamin Netanyahu's policies and this country I have loved so long.

No more. Every single day we wake to yet another outrage.

I used to be a person who wanted to believe that there were moral and democratic limits – or, failing that, pragmatic constraints - to how low the prime minister was willing to go, how far he was willing to bend to the proud proponents of apartheid, in order to bolster his power.

Not any more. Not after Danny Danon.

Not when the prime minister's choice to represent all of us, all of Israel at the United Nations, is a man who proposed legislation to annex the West Bank, effectively creating Bantustans for Palestinians who would live there stateless, deprived of basic human rights.

The man who will represent all of us at the United Nations, the man who will speak to the Third World on our behalf, is the same man who called African asylum seekers in Israel "a national plague."

The man who will represent all of us at the United Nations is the same politician who proposed legislation aimed at crippling left-leaning NGOs which come to the aid of Palestinian civilians and oppose the institution of occupation, while giving the government a green light to keep financially supporting right-wing NGOs suspected of channeling funds to support violence by pro-settlement Jews.

What does apartheid mean, in Israeli terms?

Apartheid means fundamentalist clergy spearheading the deepening of segregation, inequality, supremacism, and subjugation.

Apartheid means Likud lawmaker and former Shin Bet chief Avi Dichter calling Sunday for separate, segregated roads and highways for Israelis and Palestinians in the West Bank.

Apartheid means hundreds of attacks by settlers targeting Palestinian property, livelihoods, and lives, without convictions, charges, or even suspects. Apartheid means uncounted Palestinians jailed without trial, shot dead without trial, shot dead in the back while fleeing and without just cause.

Apartheid means Israeli officials using the army, police, military courts, and draconian administrative detentions, not only to head off terrorism, but to curtail nearly every avenue of non-violent protest available to Palestinians.

Late last month, over the explicit protest of the head of the Israeli Medical Association and human rights groups combatting torture, Israel enacted the government's "Law to Prevent Harm Caused by Hunger Strikes." The law allows force-feeding of prisoners, even if the prisoner refuses, if the striker's life is deemed in danger.

Netanyahu's Public Security Minister Gilad Erdan, who pushed hard for passage of the bill, has called hunger strikes by Palestinian security prisoners jailed for months without charge or trial "a  new type of suicide terrorist attack through which they will threaten the State of Israel".

Only under a system as warped as apartheid, does a government need to label and treat non-violence as terrorism.

Years ago, in apartheid South Africa, Jews who loved their country and hated its policies, took courageous roles in defeating with non-violence a regime of racism and denial of human rights.

May we in Israel follow their example.

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http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/a-special-place-in-hell/1.671538

 

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