"Lady Gaga doesn't think the government should decide if a crime happened"

[Killa 17,450]

well this is not very good but it's what happens when people start to pay attention. I'm with @Best Friend, Gaga has to be more careful. We all know she gets lost a bit but this is something she needs to thing a bit more before commenting and leave out a bit of your passion.

If she wins that Oscar, She'll be scrutinized to no end. You better all be prepared

[Church 849]

6 minutes ago, Brainiac said:

Yes...Yes it is...  

A woman could be walking butt ass naked down the street and that still doesn't excuse a man from going up to her and touching/penetrating her without consent. Dressing "provocative" is not saying "come and get it!"

 

I do agree with you, but that is not realistic. It would be wonderful if we lived in a world where a girl could wear a see through tube dress with stripper boots & not worry about the message she is sending out, but we don't. This is the real world and girls need to be responsible and understand the dangers of dressing a certain way in certain areas under certain circumstances. 

[Brainiac 10,907]

2 minutes ago, Creyk said:

 Do you sometimes live in the real world, or are you just in this internet space?

That is not realistic and you know it

 

You're right. It's SO unrealistic of me to not BLAME the victim of a rape on the type of clothing they decided to wear that day instead of blaming the rapist who decided to go and violate someone who didn't ask for it. 

[Brainiac 10,907]

2 minutes ago, Church said:

I do agree with you, but that is not realistic. It would be wonderful if we lived in a world where a girl could wear a see through tube dress with stripper boots & not worry about the message she is sending out, but we don't. This is the real world and girls need to be responsible and understand the dangers of dressing a certain way in certain areas under certain circumstances. 

That's not the point I'm making. I understand that is the reality. My opinion is that it shouldn't be and when dealing with a criminal case "What were you wearing?" should not be the first question a woman gets asked when she goes to the police.

[Killa 17,450]

4 minutes ago, BestFriend said:

I agree Brainiac!!! Gaga should have just summarised her point by saying that we shouldn't trivialize the victim's plight by asking value-neutral questions. Questions should be kept objective, straightforward, relevant, non-condescending and unassuming.

Summarise, if only she knew that word, her life would be so much easier. I feel her pain, tbh

[BestFriend 646]

23 minutes ago, Church said:

I do agree with you, but that is not realistic. It would be wonderful if we lived in a world where a girl could wear a see through tube dress with stripper boots & not worry about the message she is sending out, but we don't. This is the real world and girls need to be responsible and understand the dangers of dressing a certain way in certain areas under certain circumstances. 

Just because it isn't realistic, it doesn't mean that what one is wearing during the rape should be counted as factual evidence for or against the victim's plea. Courts should NOT take into consideration such trivial information in making their verdict as to the legitimacy of the rape claim.

Therefore, if it isn't directly relevant to the investigation like for CCTV footage confirmation purposes or what not, questions regarding the victim's clothes should not be made.

What you don't understand is that the moment people of authority, i.e. police, ask questions regarding the victim's clothes, it redirects the blame away from the misjudgment of the rapist and, instead, towards the decision of the victim to wear or not wear a certain article of clothing on the event.

The questions and factors being brought up in interrogations matter because they affect the perception of people on the validity of the victim's claim. When I say people, I'm also talking about the jury, the witnesses, and the judge.

[Killa 17,450]

I'm smelling a bit of misogyny in some members here. Hope i'm wrong

[adamsenigma 9,520]

24 minutes ago, Creyk said:

What you were wearing is not beside the point though

 

Yes it is. Now if you see someone naked and automatically you want to rape her/him that's your problem or your values are tweaked af

[BestFriend 646]

2 minutes ago, Killa said:

I'm smelling a bit of misogyny in some members here. Hope i'm wrong

The whole "what you're wearing" thing is not even the main subject in the reddit thread. They're streching Gaga's argument about the government by saying that Gaga supports the immediate imprisonment of alleged rapists without a single shred of investigation. To be fair to the Redditors, Gaga's statement on the government was ambiguous apart from it being wrong as well.

What a mess. 

[NewYorkCity 10,536]

mess 

They missed the point 

[BestFriend 646]

25 minutes ago, Church said:

I do agree with you, but that is not realistic. It would be wonderful if we lived in a world where a girl could wear a see through tube dress with stripper boots & not worry about the message she is sending out, but we don't. This is the real world and girls need to be responsible and understand the dangers of dressing a certain way in certain areas under certain circumstances. 

Just because it isn't realistic, it doesn't mean that what one is wearing during the rape should be counted as factual evidence for or against the victim's plea. Courts should NOT take into consideration such trivial information in making their verdict as to the legitimacy of the rape claim.

Therefore, if it isn't directly relevant to the investigation like for CCTV footage confirmation purposes or what not, questions regarding the victim's clothes should not be made.

What you don't understand is that the moment people of authority, i.e. police, ask questions regarding the victim's clothes, it redirects the blame away from the misjudgment of the rapist and, instead, towards the decision of the victim to wear or not wear a certain article of clothing on the event.

The questions and factors being brought up in interrogations matter because they affect the perception of people on the validity of the victim's claim. When I say people, I'm also talking about the jury, the witnesses, and the judge.

[Whispering 18,865]

58 minutes ago, Creyk said:

What you were wearing is not beside the point though

 

It is one hundred per cent beside the point! Are you serious? 

[LM 4,067]

1 hour ago, Creyk said:

What you were wearing is not beside the point though

 

 So girls going swimming should be raped right next to pool cause they are wearing bathing suit? Bathing suit doesn't cover much skin, it's more provocative than some miniskirt. What were you wearing is totally beside the point. Your comment made me rly angry

[Church 849]

49 minutes ago, BestFriend said:

Just because it isn't realistic, it doesn't mean that what one is wearing during the rape should be counted as factual evidence for or against the victim's plea. Courts should NOT take into consideration such trivial information in making their verdict as to the legitimacy of the rape claim.

Therefore, if it isn't directly relevant to the investigation like for CCTV footage confirmation purposes or what not, questions regarding the victim's clothes should not be made.

What you don't understand is that the moment people of authority, i.e. police, ask questions regarding the victim's clothes, it redirects the blame away from the misjudgment of the rapist and, instead, towards the decision of the victim to wear or not wear a certain article of clothing on the event.

The questions and factors being brought up in interrogations matter because they affect the perception of people on the validity of the victim's claim. When I say people, I'm also talking about the jury, the witnesses, and the judge.

This changed the way I had viewed it. You're right. I agree with you

[BestFriend 646]

3 minutes ago, Church said:

This changed the way I had viewed it. You're right. I agree with you