Son of Venus 473 Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 4 minutes ago, boysboysboys said: You say that, but did Bey have to? Did Katy have to? There's a definition of "cool" here that you're missing. Bey and Katy had their own Halftime shows .Gaga did the NA If you expect the NA to be a cool performance then idk what to say Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
boysboysboys 278 Posted February 9, 2016 Author Share Posted February 9, 2016 2 minutes ago, AlphaMonster said: I believe article has some points. But article leaves terms such as "cool" and "aged" rather unsubstantiated. So questions are: - What is cool ? - Is aged uncool ? And considering "aged" is "uncool": - What do you lose by becoming "cool" ? (simply an artistic version of opportunity cost) First of all, I do not believe that Adele is in the same category with Rihanna and Beyoncé. Her image is more mature and classical compared to expected image of mainstream american pop. I think Gaga acts more classical and sophisticated in norms of an average person because her "cool" image received too much negative criticism as mixture of various factors (explaining all would be a topic of whole dissertation). So whatever Gaga does lately, I do not believe that it makes Gaga "uncool" as writer suggests. You don't think Adele is more Pop than classical? And why do you think Gaga is folding over? The Gaga output you're seeing is different from what the rest of the world is seeing, which is way more dated and boring. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
boysboysboys 278 Posted February 9, 2016 Author Share Posted February 9, 2016 Just now, Son of Venus said: Bey and Katy had their own Halftime shows .Gaga did the NA If you expect the NA to be a cool performance then idk what to say Not exactly saying she should strip for the National Anthem, but the fact that she's not even in the Halftime Show when every other musician in that stadium was there is telling. She's giving off a different vibe and it's off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Venus 473 Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 1 minute ago, boysboysboys said: Not exactly saying she should strip for the National Anthem, but the fact that she's not even in the Halftime Show when every other musician in that stadium was there is telling. She's giving off a different vibe and it's off. well she has no new music out and no recent hits . She wasn't exactly the #1 choice for the SB You're reaching Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKANK 14,288 Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 11 minutes ago, Son of Venus said: Bey and Katy had their own Halftime shows .Gaga did the NA If you expect the NA to be a cool performance then idk what to say Yes, I except her to do the unexpected, that is why she is Lady Gaga, and that is why she established herself as one the most influential and interesting figures of our generation. She didn't get on the cover of Time magazine by being a traditional pop star. She runs errands in couture high fashion, she turns the simple act of leaving her hotel into performance art, she manipulates interviews and turns them into Oscar worthy performances, so I don't think it's to much to expect for her to turn the National Anthem on its head. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaMonster 1,806 Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 Just now, boysboysboys said: You don't think Adele is more Pop than classical? And why do you think Gaga is folding over? The Gaga output you're seeing is different from what the rest of the world is seeing, which is way more dated and boring. 1- Why do I perceive Adele to be more classical than pop ? - No dance - Simply a vocal artist rather than stage performance that puts entertainment value more front than music or singing. - Adele does not sell sex. (It does not mean that Beyoncé sells sex deliberately but she still represents a figure that has sex appeal) - Musically, Adele's music is acoustic, does not have digital music in it. - Adele's lyrics are quite traditional, does not have vulgar language, street slang or simply "pop" aura . 2- I did not get what you meant by folding over but: - My vision of society's perception of Gaga is limited to Internet. What I derived from reactions of people to Gaga is appreciation of her talent and amelioration of their idea about Gaga. This is a very general look of course; it does not even specify a demographic. Just wondering, who sees Gaga as dated and boring ? By who I mean background. 16 years old high school students of middle income families or 30 something years old white-collar workers. Something like this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roomingfree77 244 Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 C'mon don't be jealous 'meria just mighta found a new Sweetheart cuz they all, including yours truly was "Feel'n it" when she had her hand over her heart.. *Winks* Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
freebit 6,240 Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 This sounds like it was written by that "Politicizing Beyonce" dude. The Beygency in the media is too much. I have to wonder if this undercover stan didn't see those comments about the halftime show being meh this year but praising Gaga. Anyway, she's in between eras. They are trying to shade her over practically ...nothing. It's typical that all the ammo her critics have left is "but where is she on the Hot 100 tho?" type arguments while she's building up acclaim, working with legends and successfully venturing into a new acting career. And it's not like she has announced that she's retiring from pop. She's got an album coming this year. These assumptions that she's suddenly decided to permanently become a Liza M-esque career retiree is premature and misguided. If she has picked up some new older fans along the way, so what? If her next single is a bop, the casual (young) listeners will eat it up, and that will be that. I also feel like Gaga is kind of carving her own way and in uncharted territory, you can't compare her career moves to anyone else because they're so strange, there's never really been a celeb just like her - she flies through her career arcs at supersonic speed. The quickness at which she has evolved and changed her career narrative is kind of reflective of our quick, 24-hour media culture. By the time everyone was catching on to her girly futurism and ASOS was making those fake hair bows for people to buy online, Gaga was done with that aesthetic and had moved to the dark, gothic pop romanticism of TFM and prancing around in full-on unattainable couture. When her peers were finally giving up their more casual looks and showing up at the VMAs in bizarre, outré designer looks, she was already onto the Bruce Springsteen cheese of the BTW era. When she flopped with ARTPOP, a year later she was already moving onto a passion project like C2C, gathering acclaim, and receiving a Grammy for it, rendering ARTFLOP jokes already slightly outdated. It's interesting to watch her grow and how the media responds to it. This all makes me wonder if this NYT thinkpiece will already be rendered moot by this summer as it seems stuck in the C2C era. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killa 17,660 Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 I do think this article shows a valid point, they did not argue it very well tho. I always felt she had a certain fetish for old ladies, rich old ladies. She seems to like acting old-fashioned. I just want her to explore her fantasies, that's what i love about Gaga, and this thing for aging, idol-ship for the oldt; this contrast between being very elegant and correct while drinking tea and playing bridge, while being an impeding explosion is what makes her great. This is certainly not new. And it's something she hasn't explored very well, but it's part of our modern culture and i hope she addresses it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKANK 14,288 Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 13 minutes ago, Killa said: I don't think this article is doesn't show a valid point, they did not argue it very well tho. I always felt she had a certain fetish for old ladies, rich old ladies. She seems to like acting old-fashioned. I just want her to explore her fantasies, that's what i love about Gaga, and this thing for aging, idol-ship for the oldt; this contrast between being very elegant and correct while drinking tea and playing bridge, while being an impeding explosion is what makes her great. This is certainly not new. And it's something she hasn't explored very well, but it's part of our modern culture and i hope she addresses it. Her mother, Lisa Vanderpump, Dorinda Medley, I think you are bang on about her fetish for rich older women. I actually think it would be really compelling to see her delve deeper into that Sunset Boulevard fantasy. The problem is, she isn't doing it in an interesting way, she is just doing it in a way that makes her seem out of touch and irrelevant. It's not enough to subtly evoke that fantasy with a pant suit and collaborations with Tony Benet, for it to be interesting she has to broach it a little more head on. But I can't think of anything the homosexual population would embrace more then a Lady Gaga that goes full Golden Girls. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fame IV 4,426 Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 Gaga is unique and she is making her own way to become a legend. She is insanely talented and versatile. She makes the perfect balance of the past and the future, by honoring the classics and being a part of the inovation on pop culture. A Star is Born ⭐ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iwontell 7,312 Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 Meh, **** off... Whoever wrote this is clearly pissed that Gaga only had to come and fkn sing to steal the show, despite all the skin, the self-serving "consciousness", choreography, star power and production values of the half time show... Besides, NONE of the other girls has EVER had to deal with the level of criticism and scrutiny Gaga has been dealing with for the past 3 to 4 years - and this article only proves that...if Beyoncé did the same thing Gaga did, people would be raving about how she's "flawless, classy, queen"...if Gaga does it, "she's old and uncool"...if Gaga does what Beyoncé did on the halftime show , she's "desperate, who dresses like that?, what are these fag slangs in this song, gross"...when Beyoncé does it, it's "so empowering, a true inspiration...and how hot she looks!"... So maybe "playing it safe" is a natural reaction to the bullshit of people like the author of this article...? And how "feminist" this Beyoncé fan is, shitting on other women gratuitously like that...and how very nice of him/her to say "aged" is "uncool", which is a pov that will probably last until Messioncé turns 50 and releases "50 is the new 30" as a single and "brings anti-ageism to the masses"... Oh, and Adele is an example of what's trending? Other than her sales, she's the one that acts the "older" of them all...and it's one of the reasons she's a huge success, cuz maybe now ppl are really interested on artists who are simply good at what they do and don't have to make that extra effort to be cool/relatable/trendy... So, yeah, **** off... ATTENTION: (bad) jokes and sarcasm are still a thing, so don't take everything I say literally. Thank you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warholiness 927 Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 There's nothing "interesting" about an article written by a pressed Beyoncé stan. The writer has been getting dragged on Twitter by a lot of people. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAMROD 110,175 Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 Not really, she have her own games, Beyonce have always been having this fierce image and it shows. Some peoole sees it as arrogant. And that's ok really. Gaga was singing National Anthem laat nigjt, she cannot do anything too much because it will be direspectful. She did very well really. And so does Beyoncé. (ﾉ◕ヮ◕)ﾉ✧*:･ﾟ What it meant to be content with you (*´艸｀*) ♡♡♡ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killa 17,660 Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 2 minutes ago, SKANK said: Her mother, Lisa Vanderpump, Dorinda Medley, I think you are bang on about her fetish for rich older women. I actually think it would be really compelling to see her delve deeper into that Sunset Boulevard fantasy. The problem is, she isn't doing it in an interesting way, she is just doing it in a way that makes her seem out of touch and irrelevant. It's not enough to subtly evoke that fantasy with a pant suit and collaborations with Tony Benet, for it to be interesting she has to broach it a little more head on. I kinda agree. The main problem is that she's playing a bit safe and being very cautious. But she's in between projects, and she hasn't established anything yet. But i think this is something she should really catch on, and can have a social impact. Not just use some old Hollywood and theater tricks, etc. I think there's lots of potential here, but i don't think she'll define herself in LG5, still. Her next album will, probably, be the one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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