Gaga has the greatest National Anthem of all time

[Serendipity 7,821]

4 minutes ago, Enigma said:

I always stated that this was my OPINION right from the beginning .

dude, that was not the right way tho

 

you made it seem that it was set in stone

[LoveandMagic 1,731]

I don't really like to compare, but they are both on the same level to me. Both added their own flavor to the anthem while giving it respect and dignity. Both performances were clearly meant to honor the anthem, not make it about them, yet both did it with a little bit of flair. People teared up, people felt true pride because of the way it was sung. So yeah, definitely one of the best. 

[Quark 7,098]

9 minutes ago, Clean said:

dude, that was not the right way tho

 

you made it seem that it was set in stone

Right from the OP I said this was could be a matter of taste. And who are you to tell me what the right way is? There is no right or wrong way

[Quark 7,098]

5 hours ago, Bebe said:

"Isn't an opinion subjective? Yes it is. Isn't it possible that Enigma think from the bottom of his heart that Gaga topped Whitney on this performance? Yes it is."

Of course he can think that from the bottom of his heart, he clearly does as he made a f*cking thread about it. Am I not allowed to criticise that thought pattern? Am I not allowed to be annoyed that people pit women against each other in competition? I've already said, there is a way you can compare performances. It's just that you can't ignore the cultural and historical significance behind Whitney's performance of the national anthem. That is a stand alone performance, it's the most iconic performance of her career.

You can see in this thread I actually did compare the performances from the start note to the end note, I just don't think you can ignore the context behind the song.

It's disrespectful to say that Gaga "topped" the second most iconic thing in Whitney's entire career mere hours after she sang the anthem, it's part of her legacy and it's one of the things she is most known for. There is a cultural significance placed upon that performance whether people want to acknowledge it or not.

When such important cultural and iconic moments happen, they are stand alone imo. Like I explained to another user, you want to compare and discuss best and worst dressed on the red carpet? Sure, but if 25+ years from now some chick wears a dress made out of lasers and a hat that shoots electricity, you can't come out and say "Well that topped Gaga's meat dress"... Like no. They are two separate and iconic cultural  moments that left a lasting impact. You can stand beside such moments, you can't "top" a cultural phenomenon.


 

 

"There is a difference between those statements. That's because they mean different things"

Absolutely, there is a difference.

I'm not suggesting that people "water down their expression or thoughts" I'm suggesting there is a difference between stating preference and stating that an artist has "topped" another artist. One is an expression of subjective preference and taste and the other is making pitting artists against each other in a competition.

With one, you can recognise the important cultural and iconic performance that was Whitney Houston's representation of the national anthem and the other is a complete dismissal of one of the most culturally significant and iconic performances of the national anthem of our generation.

What I am suggesting is that you can have a preference for what performance you like without pitting them against each other. Whitney's performance is stand alone, it's going to forever be the great standard. You can't overwrite the cultural importance of that performance, you can't top that performance, you can only stand beside such iconic moments and add to them- not top them.

Some one can actually come out later on an top Gaga's meat dress in terms outrageous or crazy just like I think Gaga topped Whitney in terms of quality. However, no one will take away the impact and importance from both Gaga and Whitney even if they are topped in terms of the subject matter of what they did. Those historical moments will still remain iconic and impactful forever.

[Serendipity 7,821]

6 minutes ago, Enigma said:

Right from the OP I said this was could be a matter of taste. And who are you to tell me what the right way is? There is no right or wrong way

if you were right, you wouldn't rile up the entire site here

 

and being rude won't help you in anyway

[Quark 7,098]

2 minutes ago, Clean said:

if you were right, you wouldn't rile up the entire site here

 

and being rude won't help you in anyway

I just asking an honest question. Also I can't be right or wrong either since this is just my opinion. I am ok with people thinking that Gaga did not top Whitney but I am against the way people tell me that my opinion is disrespectful and wrong.

[Florian 19,962]

4 hours ago, Bebe said:

Let me clarify my point further as some people don't seem to understand.

Björk's Pagan Poetry is my favourite music video of all time. I love that video, I don't think I could ever like a music video more than I like Pagan Poetry.

I don't think I can say that Pagan Poetry tops or trumps Michael Jackson's Thriller. I prefer Pagan Poetry, but I don't think you can separate Thriller from the legacy and impact it had and continues to have. At the end of the day, my love for Pagan Poetry is subjective and I can't objectively say that it tops Thriller. You could compare the two and say, hell I think Pagan Poetry ranks up there with Thriller - but Thriller is stand alone. You can't really compare them in terms of which is the 'top' music video.

In the same way Gaga's performance of the national anthem might be your favourite performance of the national anthem, you might even hate Whitney Houston's version. But I don't think it's reasonable to claim that Gaga's performance tops Whitney's performance because I don't think it's really possible to separate the legacy of Whitney and that performance with the performance itself. It just doesn't make sense in my mind to claim that Gaga's performance 'tops' Whitney's, her performance is in a completely different space it's an iconic, cultural moment and will forever be remembered as such. 

I think that Pagan Poetry can stand alongside Thriller as great music videos, I think that Gaga's performance can stand alongside Whitney's performance as great interpretations of the national anthem. I don't think it's reasonable to discuss what music video or performance "tops" the other though. It's just not something that I think is possible to be done.

 

Stop being that stubborn for God's sake, legacy has nothing to do when you judge a vocal performance !! You're just keep focusing about judging the impact of the performance.

The vocal can be compared at any time, even 30s after the performance. 

The impact of the performance (which you seem obsessed about but you are the only one bringing this, we never talked about it in the first place) could be compared in few years.

And don't think I don't agree with you, I prefer Whitney's vocals and her performance will probably stay the most impactful. However where I disagree it's when you say that nobody can think that Gaga topped the performance. If someone is more pleased by Gaga's voice than for this person Gaga was better so she topped the performance. End of the story. We're talking about a perf when you confuse it with its impach which are two completely différent thing.

[Whispering 18,865]

1 hour ago, Enigma said:

I always stated that this was my OPINION right from the beginning .

Yes, you have. I don't know why this is such a big issue! 

People express hundreds of opinions on here everyday of the year. I'm not sure why your opinion can't be met with a simple "I disagree and here's why...", instead of "your opinion is wrong, period". That thinking and approach does seem like the very opposite of what mods are supposed to reinforce here. 

[ShockPop 7,747]

57 minutes ago, Clean said:

if you were right, you wouldn't rile up the entire site here

 

and being rude won't help you in anyway

Being rude has been your tact throughout this thread.

Fyi, not my opinion, but a fact, in case you were confused again.

[Quark 7,098]

48 minutes ago, Whispering said:

Yes, you have. I don't know why this is such a big issue! 

People express hundreds of opinions on here everyday of the year. I'm not sure why your opinion can't be met with a simple "I disagree and here's why...", instead of "your opinion is wrong, period". That thinking and approach does seem like the very opposite of what mods are supposed to reinforce here. 

Exactly. But there is some sort of bias against me since I am never afraid to express my opinions of other artists even when they are not positive. That is why many here dislike me lol.

[Florian 19,962]

10 minutes ago, Enigma said:

Exactly. But there is some sort of bias against me since I am never afraid to express my opinions of other artists even when they are not positive. That is why many here dislike me lol.

Tbh I rarelly agree with you and I cringe at your threads more than once a day  But for once you've stated since the first words that it was your opinion and this thread wasn't flamebait (I know you're a master when it comes to flamebait ). 

[JbGaga 2,261]

7 hours ago, Clean said:

yeah if it goes by you, gaga is the best vocalist of all time

 

Whitney 'The Voice' Houston is not anyone.

She's 1/3rd of the VOCAL TRINITY

 

and not everyone can produce top notch vocals even in studio

 

if that was the case, Katy would be belting like Celine

I never said that.... ever.... lmao

 

 

[Quark 7,098]

5 minutes ago, Florian said:

Tbh I rarelly agree with you and I cringe at your threads more than once a day  But for once you've stated since the first words that it was your opinion and this thread wasn't flamebait (I know you're a master when it comes to flamebait ). 

Its ok. I already know when I make a thread that many people will dislike what I say. But in my point of view, I feel like both positive and negative things should be discussed or else this forum kind of feels "fake". I also think that just because someone post something that many others will not like, it shouldn't immediately be considered "flaimebait" since I think people could be mature and argue points in a civil way. But thanks for the complement on this thread

[Kayla 7,595]

It. Is. Not. A. Competition.

I love that Gaga truly made it her own and sang it in a way I didn't expect. I don't think I've even heard Gaga sing like that before!

In her own way, Gaga's was the best, just like Whitney's was the best in her own way. 

[llbcherry 591]

It seemed, based on this thread, that at least some people get torn to shreds for having an opinion, just because they were not crystal clear that every single statement was an opinion.

That is why I said that saying "in my opinion" might be necessary. 

It shouldn't be necessary. We should be able to read between the lines and discern someone's opinion vs. them stating something as fact. That was the whole basis of this messy thread though!!... "it's just my opinion." .... "no it's not, you said it like it was a fact."

So, the simpler solution, imo, is, if you want to avoid your comments turning into a mess, to state that it is indeed "your opinion."