ANTI: #27 - Billboard 200 / Work: #9 Hot 100

[NewYorkCity 10,530]

38 minutes ago, Son of ARTPOP said:

I don't really disgaree with your post, but I think you misinterpreted some of my points. My respect for her comes from the fact that she made smart business moves to protect her album, and she succeeded. You know, that's her part of the story, and unfortuantely even though it's supposed to be art, it's actually a culture industry. Meaning a lot of cash is involved. But I don't imply anywhere that my admiration comes from her being kind and doing it for the art or anything remotely close to that. This is Rihanna we're talking about.

Still my point is valid that ANTI was put there for free for the fans - and that was our part of the story, we got the music to enjoy or dislike. I just consider all these numerous threads discussing ANTI's performance out of focus. Nobody cares to talk about the music, the important things are the charts and the critic scores (+ the occasional bashing). And these posts come from the people who were claiming (but only when we talk about Gaga ofc!) that it's not the commercial performance that matters and that we should stop being obsessed with it, that we should take the music as the art, not as the industry, the business (which ofc are statements implied by Gaga herself, and we automatically adopt them but may people fail to actually realise the meaning!)

It's also very silly that so many fans here bring up Gaga into the conversation. " ANTI no longer an obstacle a threat" or whatever, Rihanna is out, now only Beyoncé remains. Like WTF? Rihanna is in her own lane and is very far from Gaga. She has her fair share of accomplishments and records reached throughout her career, has had many hits and is up there among the best for better or worse. But Rihanna was never in Gaga's way, and I personally don't see her ever approaching the level of artistry that Gaga has so why so many are pressed and happy to see RIhanna "flop"? Of course we perfectly know that artistry doesn't translate into chart success. Which is yet another reason that people here need to stop being so obsessed with it.

For my part, I love ANTI, and I believe Rihanna has achieved a lot with the album. It has a big artistic growth, while still keeping some of what made her RiRi. It's not the typical dance pop single + 10 fillers album that she used to release. It's just doing it her own way, and that's why I love it. It feels personal on the majority of the songs. I respect her for stepping out of HER box and making something different that for me turned out to be very good. Not saying ANTI should be everyone's cup of tea, and I'm definitely not implying ANTI is some experimental stuff that just people don't understand. No! But when I look at her career, and her previous albums I clearly see that she aspired to do more with the music and succeeded. She may never reach a higher place or she may climb even more in the future, I dunno. But all that doesn't take away from my enjoyment of the album. She shines right now for me and that's all that matters. And she can shine along with anyone else.

Gaga's achievements and artistry are under no threat whatsoever and I don't think we need to put other artists's material down so that we feel better about Gaga (actually mainly about ourselves... #sorrynotsorry) 

Oh, then we agree! I misunderstood you, sorry.

Well, ANTI is not my cup of tea, tbh. As something different I prefer BEYONCE, but that's just an opinion, of course. 

I never thought Rihanna could be in Gaga's way, they are too different for that. I also don't get why people are saying those things... but oh well. That's how this world works I guess. People like drama (I enjoy it a little too lol). But it is not that important.

Tbh, what she has done with samsung, and all of this messy release... I don't like it. What I don't like is the fact that she is celebtating as if she didn't know what's going on. And also her fans.  "PLATINUM IN 1 DAY WHOS DA QUEEN THAT RIHANNA REGIN JUST WONT DISSAPPEAR".

I mean, calm your tits gurls. There is nothing to celebrate here. Ok for her and the album... but let's not. And I really think that most of the shady coments are coming because of that. 

[brizoda 3,618]

ANTI not deserve a number 1, because is mediocre

[Whispering 18,865]

6 hours ago, Bebe said:

But your source itself says that they were trying to figure out a way for it to count within Billboards own perimeters. That's hardly negotiation. Sure, they fought hard to try and find a way to get it on the charts, obviously they would have loved it if it counted. That article is months old though, so clearly they stuck to their own plan. Once again it shows that, while charts are important, Roc Nation prioritised profit. 

What I find interesting about your first source is this: "This is just the beginning of how we market albums, how we distribute music to fans, how fans consume music” and also says that soon “everyone else will have to come along for the ride.”

Kinda exactly what I have been saying since the beginning. The climate of the music industry is changing due to piracy and streaming. People want their music for free and labels have to adapt. This was a move that benefited Roc Nation while also benefiting music consumers.

Also you still haven't found anything that supports this claim (which is what I took issue with and what I found utterly ridiculous.)

"Rihanna's team went to Billboard to try to get the sales to count in their charts. Billboard finally came to the agreement that the Samsung sales could count if Samsung made the offer for a free album from anyone, not just Rihanna. That wasn't acceptable for Rihanna's team, so they went with this plan."

If your only argument is "If it was possible Roc Nation would have loved for this album to chart at #1" then of course, I agree. I just thought we were having a more indepth conversation than that.

I'm talking about how this deal was great due to the fact Roc Nation and Rihanna were able to make an album go platinum, making more money than they would have in a normal roll out while also providing consumers with a free album. I'm talking about how, with the changing climate, this sort of thing is going to become more normal and how it is just a step in the evolution of the industry.

I'm also talking about how this chart position doesn't really matter in the end, regardless of how nice it would have been if it was eligible, because the deal with Samsung was about making profit - not about scoring a number one record. Something nicely illustrated by the sources you have posted.

Your point seems to be "Roc Nation would have loved Anti to go #1" which is obvious, but missing the point. They clearly believe that despite the fact that the album's free downloads wouldn't chart, it's a bigger win for them to shift a million records which probably wouldn't have happened without this deal. 

The bolded part is exactly what happened and I backed it up with two sources, from people who work at Billboard, Tidal, and Roc Nation that say that exact thing. Those are the articles and the information that has been floating around for a while now, and it stated exactly what I've been saying all along.

Chart position matters in the end, in the ways I have outlined repeatedly. If it wasn't important, ALL labels wouldn't spend so much time on timing and promo up to the debut week. They all want an impressive start, especially for their biggest names. Roc Nation was no different, they wanted the money with the deal, but they also wanted those copies to count for Billboard. 

The album roll out in general was a mess, but look who is over it all. Tidal I'd also a mess...its roll out and message couldn't have been worse. 

They gave the album away, for an unknown amount of money and in some kind of deal that ended up profiting Tidal, not really Samsung. I wonder what kind of deal had to happen for all of that to change. They announced that the album went platinum, because RIAA has no hard and fast rules like Billboard. Anyone can buy a certification and that's exactly what they did for Rihanna. Then, they came out and lied about what it sold the first few days. They tried to say they had sold 400,000 copies in the first day and that was a lie get were trying to pass off. Forbes called them on it, as well as other music publications, and Billboard wasn't having any of those fake claims. Roc Nation may have made money off of this deal, but they did a terrible job of protecting their artist. There is a reason that this roll out has taken a full year and lots of starts and stops, and ended with an album sent out for free so close to a tour. 

[Bebe 17,053]

5 hours ago, Whispering said:

The bolded part is exactly what happened and I backed it up with two sources, from people who work at Billboard, Tidal, and Roc Nation that say that exact thing. Those are the articles and the information that has been floating around for a while now, and it stated exactly what I've been saying all along.

Chart position matters in the end, in the ways I have outlined repeatedly. If it wasn't important, ALL labels wouldn't spend so much time on timing and promo up to the debut week. They all want an impressive start, especially for their biggest names. Roc Nation was no different, they wanted the money with the deal, but they also wanted those copies to count for Billboard. 

The album roll out in general was a mess, but look who is over it all. Tidal I'd also a mess...its roll out and message couldn't have been worse. 

They gave the album away, for an unknown amount of money and in some kind of deal that ended up profiting Tidal, not really Samsung. I wonder what kind of deal had to happen for all of that to change. They announced that the album went platinum, because RIAA has no hard and fast rules like Billboard. Anyone can buy a certification and that's exactly what they did for Rihanna. Then, they came out and lied about what it sold the first few days. They tried to say they had sold 400,000 copies in the first day and that was a lie get were trying to pass off. Forbes called them on it, as well as other music publications, and Billboard wasn't having any of those fake claims. Roc Nation may have made money off of this deal, but they did a terrible job of protecting their artist. There is a reason that this roll out has taken a full year and lots of starts and stops, and ended with an album sent out for free so close to a tour. 

You didn't back that up with 2 sources Billboard never said anything about changing it's rules saying that "Samsung sales could count if Samsung made the offer for a free album from anyone". That wouldn't make sense and it isn't shown anywhere in your sources! That would be a bizarre decision for Billboard, it never happened and none of your sources say that it happened.

I know charts matter, you're not listening to anything I'm saying. Obviously, if Billboard did count those downloads Roc Nation would have loved it. They didn't and Roc Nation knew because they had a discussion with Billboard about it a month before it's release, so they were hardly surprised. Roc Nation, like any label would, chose profit over chart position. 

Chart positions = Very important! We all agree on that. What we seem to disagree on is the fact that Profit is very clearly more important than chart position! 

"Chart position matters in the end, in the ways I have outlined repeatedly. If it wasn't important, ALL labels wouldn't spend so much time on timing and promo up to the debut week. They all want an impressive start, especially for their biggest names. Roc Nation was no different, they wanted the money with the deal, but they also wanted those copies to count for Billboard. "

I MEAN OF COURSE!!!! NOBODY DISAGREES WITH THIS!!!! Have you not listened each time I have said: "Yes chart positions are extremely important BUT at the end of the day profit is the highest goal of any label." This is the point, despite talking to Billboard and confirming that the free downloads wouldn't count towards chart position they made the decision to go ahead with the deal because it was a better decision for them financially! They obviously would have loved for it to be able to chart, but they would perfer making money. 

"Then, they came out and lied about what it sold the first few days. They tried to say they had sold 400,000 copies in the first day and that was a lie get were trying to pass off. Forbes called them on it, as well as other music publications"

Actually if you read Forbes or NY times:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/hughmcintyre/2016/02/02/why-does-no-one-seem-to-know-how-well-rihannas-anti-sold/

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/02/arts/music/rihanna-anti-chart-tidal-debut-sales.html?partner=rss&emc=rss

Forbes say: "There is a huge difference between Tidal’s publicized numbers and the media’s less-than-500, and to be honest, it’s not entirely clear who is closer to correct..... It’s also not out of the question that the streams of the record were enough to propel it as high as it went, despite such a small number of actual purchases. Once Anti has a full week to sell copies around the world, it may become clearer what that first few days of sales actually looked like."

 

NY Times say: "One explanation for the low sales number for “Anti” comes from Tidal itself. On Monday, a spokesman for the company, Dan Roberti, said that the album was put on sale late Thursday, after Samsung’s exclusive giveaway period ended, giving the album just a few hours to rack up sales for the week.

Despite the low initial sales, the album quickly reached No. 1 on iTunes’s internal charts, and industry sales executives predict that “Anti” could sell up to 130,000 copies in its first full week of sales, which would be reflected on next week’s chart."

If you're just going to continue saying "chart position is super important" (which we all know and nobody has disputed) then let's just call it a day cause we are going in circles again.

[Whispering 18,865]

@Bebe

"The bible brain trust that decides these things has come up with a new ruling, which turns out to be rather problematic: They’ll count the free offer from Samsung if the coupon can be redeemed for any album—and, although the offer will be wrapped in Rihanna marketing, the coupon must feature type big enough to make it clear that consumers have a choice of album. The back-and-forth between Roc Nation (which is both her label and her management) and the bible over how to execute the promotion has reportedly been fierce, to say the least."

The above refers to Soundscan and Billboard, as they are the rule makers for what counts for charts. Billboard was in talks with Roc Nation to see under what circumstances the Samsung offer could count and would be eligible to qualify for a sale...a sale that would go towards the BB album chart. It's right there in black and white and it is exactly what I've been reading about this roll out and it is exactly what I've stated all along. 

Forbes stated:

"But, is that really true? That 400,000 figure should be taken with a grain of salt. If the numbers are correct, it means that ANTI is already the biggest success of the singer’s storied career, and that’s a bit tough to believe. 

To put that 400,000 figure into perspective, it’s worth noting that Rihanna’s largest debut sales week to date was with her last album, Unapologetic. That record became her first to start at number one (and her only number one yet), and it sold just under 250,000 copies in its first week. That campaign was going strong at the time of the album’s release thanks to the massively-popular lead single “Diamonds”, which was another number one hit for her.

So, without a single (lead cut “Work” was released less than a day before the album appeared online) and little to no warning, is

But, is that really true? That 400,000 figure should be taken with a grain of salt. If the numbers are correct, it means that ANTI is already the biggest success of the singer’s storied career, and that’s a bit tough to believe. 

To put that 400,000 figure into perspective, it’s worth noting that Rihanna’s largest debut sales week to date was with her last album, Unapologetic. That record became her first to start at number one (and her only number one yet), and it sold just under 250,000 copies in its first week. That campaign was going strong at the time of the album’s release thanks to the massively-popular lead single “Diamonds”, which was another number one hit for her. 

So, without a single (lead cut “Work” was released less than a day before the album appeared online) and little to no warning, is it

But, is that really true? That 400,000 figure should be taken with a grain of salt. If the numbers are correct, it means that ANTI is already the biggest success of the singer’s storied career, and that’s a bit tough to believe. 

To put that 400,000 figure into perspective, it’s worth noting that Rihanna’s largest debut sales week to date was with her last album, Unapologetic. That record became her first to start at number one (and her only number one yet), and it sold just under 250,000 copies in its first week. That campaign was going strong at the time of the album’s release thanks to the massively-popular lead single “Diamonds”, which was another number one hit for her. 

So, without a single (lead cut “Work” was released less than a day before the album appeared online) and little to no warning, is it really possible that the record is approaching half a million in sales in just two days? If so, that puts ANTI on track to have a massive first week, dwarfed only in recent memory by Adele or Taylor Swift."

That is the article I was referring to. They called Tidal out on the numbers that were thrown out there. Forbes was pointing out the absurdity of the 400K claim. The Tidal Director of Marketing kept on repeating these numbers, even saying that Billboard was going to report them this next week. And we can all see that it didn't happen...because Anti never sold 400,000 albums. 

Im going to continue to state that chart placement is important for a debut week for an artist of Rihanna's caliber, because it is the truth and because you kept saying that it wasn't as important as making money off of free downloads. I disagree with that and Roc Nation did too, as they tried to find a way for those sales to be counted on Billboard. A good opening week and good media surrounding that week isn't everything, but it is certainly something that every major labels deems very important for their big name artists! The exceptions here would be for new, or rather new artists, and Rihanna certainly doesn't fit in either of those categories! 

[Bebe 17,053]

9 minutes ago, Whispering said:

@Bebe

"The bible brain trust that decides these things has come up with a new ruling, which turns out to be rather problematic: They’ll count the free offer from Samsung if the coupon can be redeemed for any album—and, although the offer will be wrapped in Rihanna marketing, the coupon must feature type big enough to make it clear that consumers have a choice of album. The back-and-forth between Roc Nation (which is both her label and her management) and the bible over how to execute the promotion has reportedly been fierce, to say the least."

The above refers to Soundscan and Billboard, as they are the rule makers for what counts for charts. Billboard was in talks with Roc Nation on if the Samsung offer could count or not and what would be eligible to qualify for a sale...a sale that woukd go towards the BB album chart. It's right there in black and white and it is exactly what I've been reading and it is exactly what I stated. 

Forbes stated:

"But, is that really true? That 400,000 figure should be taken with a grain of salt. If the numbers are correct, it means that ANTI is already the biggest success of the singer’s storied career, and that’s a bit tough to believe. 

To put that 400,000 figure into perspective, it’s worth noting that Rihanna’s largest debut sales week to date was with her last album, Unapologetic. That record became her first to start at number one (and her only number one yet), and it sold just under 250,000 copies in its first week. That campaign was going strong at the time of the album’s release thanks to the massively-popular lead single “Diamonds”, which was another number one hit for her.

So, without a single (lead cut “Work” was released less than a day before the album appeared online) and little to no warning, is

But, is that really true? That 400,000 figure should be taken with a grain of salt. If the numbers are correct, it means that ANTI is already the biggest success of the singer’s storied career, and that’s a bit tough to believe. 

To put that 400,000 figure into perspective, it’s worth noting that Rihanna’s largest debut sales week to date was with her last album, Unapologetic. That record became her first to start at number one (and her only number one yet), and it sold just under 250,000 copies in its first week. That campaign was going strong at the time of the album’s release thanks to the massively-popular lead single “Diamonds”, which was another number one hit for her. 

So, without a single (lead cut “Work” was released less than a day before the album appeared online) and little to no warning, is it

But, is that really true? That 400,000 figure should be taken with a grain of salt. If the numbers are correct, it means that ANTI is already the biggest success of the singer’s storied career, and that’s a bit tough to believe. 

To put that 400,000 figure into perspective, it’s worth noting that Rihanna’s largest debut sales week to date was with her last album, Unapologetic. That record became her first to start at number one (and her only number one yet), and it sold just under 250,000 copies in its first week. That campaign was going strong at the time of the album’s release thanks to the massively-popular lead single “Diamonds”, which was another number one hit for her. 

So, without a single (lead cut “Work” was released less than a day before the album appeared online) and little to no warning, is it really possible that the record is approaching half a million in sales in just two days? If so, that puts ANTI on track to have a massive first week, dwarfed only in recent memory by Adele or Taylor Swift."

That is the article I was referring to. They called Tidal out on the numbers that were thrown out there. Forbes was pointing out the absurdity of the 400K claim. The Tidal Director of Marketing kept on repeating these numbers, even saying that Billboard was going to report them this next week. And we can all see that it didn't happen...because Anti never sold 400,000 albums. 

Im going to continue to state that chart placement is important for a debut week for an artist of Rihanna's caliber, because it is the truth and because you kept saying that it wasn't as important as making money off of free downloads. I disagree with that and Roc Nation did too, as they tried to find a way for those sales to be counted on Billboard. A good opening week and good media surrounding that week isn't everything, but it is certainly something that every major labels deems very important for their big name artists! The exceptions here would be for new, or rather new artists, and Rihanna certainly doesn't fit in either of those categories! 

"They’ll count the free offer from Samsung if the coupon can be redeemed for any album—and, although the offer will be wrapped in Rihanna marketing, the coupon must feature type big enough to make it clear that consumers have a choice of album"

Well I apologise for not seeing that section, it's still utterly ridiculous and crazy but sure. 

I really don't give a f*ck about the 400,000 figure anyway to be honest, it's kind of off track. It could have sold 0 copies and my argument would still stand. Plus as Forbes, the NY times and other publications have pointed out it's unclear how much it has sold at this point because only a few hours counted, 400,000 is likely a WW figure not a US figure and I've personally been going on Neilson's prediction of 100,000+ which you can see in my previous posts here. 

"Im going to continue to state that chart placement is important for a debut week for an artist of Rihanna's caliber, because it is the truth and because you kept saying that it wasn't as important as making money off of free downloads. I disagree with that and Roc Nation did too, as they tried to find a way for those sales to be counted on Billboard. A good opening week and good media surrounding that week isn't everything, but it is certainly something that every major labels deems very important for their big name artists! The exceptions here would be for new, or rather new artists, and Rihanna certainly doesn't fit in either of those categories!"

Once again, of course they would have liked the sales to be counted on Billboard. They found out it couldn't and so they decided to go for the Samsung deal anyway for the money. If they really cared more about that #1 position then they would have taken that ridiculous offer. 

Also once again, of course it's something major labels deem important for big name artists, but profit>>>>chart position. Chart position is important because it usually determines long term sales, getting a large front-loaded campaign is great because the most albums make the most money in the first week. Anti probably wouldn't have gone platinum without this deal (By that I mean selling a million records through Samsung and offering free downloads, I don't mean the actual RIAA plaque which I couldn't care less about and I have stated that before too). They made more money through this deal, that's why they made that decision, that's why they stuck with that decision even after Billboard clarified it wouldn't chart.

Of course money is the most important factor here. Money trumps all. This is the music business.

[JusKeepBreathin 19,311]

13 hours ago, NewYorkCity said:

Oh, then we agree! I misunderstood you, sorry.

Well, ANTI is not my cup of tea, tbh. As something different I prefer BEYONCE, but that's just an opinion, of course. 

I never thought Rihanna could be in Gaga's way, they are too different for that. I also don't get why people are saying those things... but oh well. That's how this world works I guess. People like drama (I enjoy it a little too lol). But it is not that important.

Tbh, what she has done with samsung, and all of this messy release... I don't like it. What I don't like is the fact that she is celebtating as if she didn't know what's going on. And also her fans.  "PLATINUM IN 1 DAY WHOS DA QUEEN THAT RIHANNA REGIN JUST WONT DISSAPPEAR".

I mean, calm your tits gurls. There is nothing to celebrate here. Ok for her and the album... but let's not. And I really think that most of the shady coments are coming because of that. 

But it is because of her fans. If she didn't have a huge fan base Samsung wouldn't have made the offer. She didn't throw 1.4 million CDs off a roof top hoping people would listen to it. There are 1.4 million fans who wanted and downloaded the CD for free. They went to a specific store where the cd was free and check out with a free cd. CD's have been given away for free like this for years. She drove people to three different stores worldwide. The TIDAL store, the Samsung website and the Google play store with a Samsung device. 1.4 million of her fans went to those stores and downloaded the album. An album that was pre paid by those same stores her fans visited. Her fans gave her the power to ink that deal with Samsung and that deal got her the platinum certification. The certification or her deal wouldn't have been possible without her fanbase. 

[FGGrayson 9,670]

im glad i didn't download that ****, i wasn't part of that BS

[NewYorkCity 10,530]

5 hours ago, just4fun said:

But it is because of her fans. If she didn't have a huge fan base Samsung wouldn't have made the offer. She didn't throw 1.4 million CDs off a roof top hoping people would listen to it. There are 1.4 million fans who wanted and downloaded the CD for free. They went to a specific store where the cd was free and check out with a free cd. CD's have been given away for free like this for years. She drove people to three different stores worldwide. The TIDAL store, the Samsung website and the Google play store with a Samsung device. 1.4 million of her fans went to those stores and downloaded the album. An album that was pre paid by those same stores her fans visited. Her fans gave her the power to ink that deal with Samsung and that deal got her the platinum certification. The certification or her deal wouldn't have been possible without her fanbase. 

Are you telling me that because of her fans she would have sold 1M copies in one day if they weren't free?

Ok...

[JusKeepBreathin 19,311]

4 hours ago, NewYorkCity said:

Are you telling me that because of her fans she would have sold 1M copies in one day if they weren't free?

Ok...

I guess the whole post went right over your head. Every album she has had has gone platinum or multi platinum except her first. She would have reached platinum eventually especially with the new rules of certifying for platinum albums. So whether it was platinum in one day or one year, she has the fans to go platinum. Like I said before she wasn't on a roof throwing out albums. If you are a fan and wanted the album for free you went out of your way to find out what the coupon code was and went to the Internet retailer to purchase your album for free. 

[Serendipity 7,821]

9 minutes ago, just4fun said:

I guess the whole post went right over your head. Every album she has had has gone platinum or multi platinum except her first. She would have reached platinum eventually especially with the new rules of certifying for platinum albums. So whether it was platinum in one day or one year, she has the fans to go platinum. Like I said before she wasn't on a roof throwing out albums. If you are a fan and wanted the album for free you went out of your way to find out what the coupon code was and went to the Internet retailer to purchase your album for free. 

Music industry sales have declined vastly in these years

 

albums would need MASSIVE hits to even scan platinum

 

some still don't (My Everything)

 

if Ariana can't hit plat with 3/4 MASSIVE hits, you think someone who sold 1.2M would sell 1M again without a hit

[JusKeepBreathin 19,311]

2 hours ago, Clean said:

Music industry sales have declined vastly in these years

 

albums would need MASSIVE hits to even scan platinum

 

some still don't (My Everything)

 

if Ariana can't hit plat with 3/4 MASSIVE hits, you think someone who sold 1.2M would sell 1M again without a hit

What you are saying is no one but Taylor, Adele and JB will ever have a platinum album again. Great good to know. Rihanna has consistently delivered platinum albums. Explain why you think this album would be any different?

[Serendipity 7,821]

11 minutes ago, just4fun said:

What you are saying is no one but Taylor, Adele and JB will ever have a platinum album again. Great good to know. Rihanna has consistently delivered platinum albums. Explain why you think this album would be any different?

I said it

 

I said even with massive eras, hitting 1M in US is hard, but Rih who has never been a big album seller sell 1M effortlessly in a year where only 3 albums went platinum

[uo111 5,251]

On 2/3/2016 at 8:34 AM, Clean said:

Music industry sales have declined vastly in these years

 

albums would need MASSIVE hits to even scan platinum

 

some still don't (My Everything)

 

if Ariana can't hit plat with 3/4 MASSIVE hits, you think someone who sold 1.2M would sell 1M again without a hit

Who?

I'm sorry but Ms. Venti is a flash in the pan and hardly famous.

Some music executive decided to throw a bunch of money to make her songs rise the charts and have the radio play them on repeat for literally no pay off. Essentially zero people know who she is even though you may not know that looking at Billboards "hit" list. What a bad investment that was.

[Judas Oyster 1,914]

Idk if I'm late but if some didn't know the deluxe version of the album is NOW UP ON SPOTIFY!  (at least in Norway)

 

Edit: Pose is horrible, like some feel about J&D, or even worse