Macklemore disses Iggy + Miley

[Whispering 18,865]

Just now, PunkTheFunk said:

Why must natural black hair and hairstyles be seen as unprofessional in the first place?

You said it yourself: Kylie is in the entertainment and fashion industry.  She took a hairstyle from a marginalized group -- a group that has been banned from the military and fired from their jobs for wearing their hair naturally  -- and used it for her own financial gain. She benefits and profits as a white woman with institutional power and is praised by everyone for starting a trend. When a black woman does the same, they are ridiculed. Zendaya wears her hair in dreads at the Oscars and people say she smells like patchouli oil. Solange wears her hair naturally and she is slammed by critics for being unkempt and looking like a homeless person.

You said "dreadlocks, multi colored hair, or any other unusual hairstyles are seen as perfectly acceptable." Yes, only when they are on white models. Which is exactly why very few black women in the fashion industry wear their hair naturally.

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How this thread went from Macklemore to a discussion about hair I will never know

 

Black hairstyles are not seen as unprofessional, but styles like dreadlocks, colored hair, Mohawks, patterned shave jobs, ponytails on men, etc. woukd be seen as unprofessional in certain businesses. 

Kylie wears all sorts of hairstyles. She wouldn't be allowed to wear those styles either if she was in certain professions, including the milatary. It wouldn't matter what color she was, certain styles aren't acceptable of aren't allowed. She didn't start a trend. White people have been wearing dreadlocks for centuries. 

No, what I said is that those hairstyles are acceptable in the entertainment industry or at more liberal business settings, such as working for Google...versus working in a more conservative business setting. 

 

[PunkTheFunk 123,507]

8 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

That's quite a sore point for me. First off, I highly doubt an employer would say such a thing to a client (I think you overexaggerated for effect there) and there is absolutely no proof in these situations that the hair is the reason for them not getting the job. And also, Kylie has more haters than fans and most people think her lips look ridiculous (as they do Kim's butt), but that is rarely touched upon because people are so determined to paint whites in a negative way. But that's beside the point. I'm white with red hair and being from the UK, we have had a strong tradition for making fun of redheads. [...]

I say all this because you need to realise that it's not just black that have problems relating to beauty - all races do. And some may be suffering in ways that you never considered.

1) The Navy discharged a woman named Jessica Sims for having dreadlocks. A woman named Farryn Johnson was fired from Hooters because of her natural hair and was awarded $250 000 after a lawsuit. A woman named Ashley Davis was hired as a secretary, and two months after she was hired the company introduced a no-dreadlock policy; she was the only one in the company with dreadlocks. I'm sure there are plenty more examples that don't make the news.

2) You will never be fired from a job for having red hair. You will never be institutionally discriminated against for having red hair. You will never be incarcerated for having red hair.

3) I'm not even black. I'm South Asian. And yes, I suffer in ways that you might have never considered.

[JusKeepBreathin 19,311]

I don't think it was a dis. He commenting about himself about what people think of him walking with Black Lives Matter. He is questioning himself and what he is doing. He is not saying anything about Iggy or Miley he is only saying that he is being compare to them by other people. Did anyone actually hear the song? Iggy needs to stop firing back at people without listening to the song.

[SissyFromSpace 20,883]

6 hours ago, Jed said:

Aka you still have no problem with a white woman dressing like a caricature... 

but she never has and never will. LOL

[migamiga 12,101]

Wow the fact that a lot of people here don't know that so many of Elvis' hits were originally sung by black artists just goes to show why blacks are upset. Every time white artists do something they get all the credit, acclaim, attention

as for Macklemore, the white guilt is clearly making him go crazy. Maybe he moonlights as Rachel dolezal

[PunkTheFunk 123,507]

3 minutes ago, F AM E said:

Wow the fact that a lot of people here don't know that so many of Elvis' hits were originally sung by black artists just goes to show why blacks are upset. Every time white artists do something they get all the credit, acclaim, attention

 

[VenusBlackStar 1,301]

17 hours ago, Lance said:

My knowledge isn't that strong but apparently he stole Black Culture too. Black people made rock music first (IDK just observation from Tumblr posts)

It's not really that he "stole Black culture" but he was simply a white man who was able to bring together traditionally white and black styles of music, allowing him to chart singles on various charts.

Are SJW people seriously dragging Elvis for "stealing black culture" because black people made rock music first? I find that incredibly ignorant. These people realize how many white rock artists there were/are, right? Michael Jackson moved between genres to an extent too. Besides, in Elvis' time "white music" was rockabilly/country western for the most part, and "black music" was rhythm and blues. Rock and roll combined all that and there were both black and white rock and rollers at the same time: Chuck Berry, Carl Perkins, Jerry Lee Lewis, Little Richard, Fats Domino, and eventually Elvis a little later.

 

Side note: Sometimes one thing I dislike more than ignorant conservative people are ignorant liberal people.

 

(Sorry for the rant, it's not even directed at you in any way lol)

[VenusBlackStar 1,301]

7 hours ago, PunkTheFunk said:

1) The Navy discharged a woman named Jessica Sims for having dreadlocks. A woman named Farryn Johnson was fired from Hooters because of her natural hair and was awarded $250 000 after a lawsuit. A woman named Ashley Davis was hired as a secretary, and two months after she was hired the company introduced a no-dreadlock policy; she was the only one in the company with dreadlocks. I'm sure there are plenty more examples that don't make the news.

2) You will never be fired from a job for having red hair. You will never be institutionally discriminated against for having red hair. You will never be incarcerated for having red hair.

3) I'm not even black. I'm South Asian. And yes, I suffer in ways that you might have never considered.

Thank you for adding this to this thread.

I'm very surprised by a number of users here who either aren't very aware of REAL racial issues or are aware of them but don't want to work toward an informed opinion about things.

It sort of upsets me when people try to discredit issues that people of any race bring up just because that person can't see past their own world. Like the whole Oscars thing and some people on that thread talking about how "maybe no black people deserved the nomination" and how every single little thing these days is "racist" and stuff but there are plenty of critically acclaimed movies with black actors and actresses who were critically acclaimed. Look it up! Like, it frustrates me because most of us here are rather young and if this ignorance exists in this generation then the big issues are gonna keep being perpetuated over and over and over and it'll never stop until people start educating themselves.

 

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43 minutes ago, VenusBlackStar said:

It's not really that he "stole Black culture" but he was simply a white man who was able to bring together traditionally white and black styles of music, allowing him to chart singles on various charts.

Are SJW people seriously dragging Elvis for "stealing black culture" because black people made rock music first? I find that incredibly ignorant. These people realize how many white rock artists there were/are, right? Michael Jackson moved between genres to an extent too. Besides, in Elvis' time "white music" was rockabilly/country western for the most part, and "black music" was rhythm and blues. Rock and roll combined all that and there were both black and white rock and rollers at the same time: Chuck Berry, Carl Perkins, Jerry Lee Lewis, Little Richard, Fats Domino, and eventually Elvis a little later.

 

Side note: Sometimes one thing I dislike more than ignorant conservative people are ignorant liberal people.

 

(Sorry for the rant, it's not even directed at you in any way lol)

 No it's because he literally stole a lot of his hits from back people.

[MrFameKills 1,600]

My open letter to Macklemore: 

What the **** did you just ****ing say about me, you little rape apologist? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in Social Justice 101, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on r/creepshots, and I have over 300 confirmed instances of saying "check your privilege". I am trained in being overly offended and I’m the top SRSer in the entire social justice blogosphere. You are nothing to me but just another shitlord. I will call you a neckbeard with persistence the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my ****ing words.

You think you can get away with saying that **** to me over the Internet? Think again, cis-sexist pig. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of differently-abled, ethnic, transqueer womyn across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the AC360 investigation, *aggot. The investigation that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your erotic subreddit.

You’re ****ing privileged, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can complain about you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in arguing with shitlords, but I have access to the entire arsenal of Jezebel.com and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your privileged bigotry off the face of the continent, you little ****.

If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “sexist” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your ****ing tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will passive-aggressively type fury all over you and you will drown in it.

You’re ****ing dead, cis scum.

 

 

[Kattys 4,319]

Diss on king Elvis?

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4 hours ago, Mast said:

 No it's because he literally stole a lot of his hits from back people.

He made better black music than black people sorry not sorry 

[Mast 980]

2 hours ago, Kattys said:

He made better black music than black people sorry not sorry 

Please go away with your ignorance. That is nowhere near true. Black people pioneered a **** ton of musical genres, including Rock and Jazz. The only reason it didn't become popular was because people wanted to hear music from white people. When the black arts became huge with the Harlem Reinassance, black artists gathered a lot of attention because their music was protesting slavery and mistreatment of PoC, but there were also the much more popular "Uncle Toms" of music. Black artists who would sing or play songs that did not address the injustices and would rather pretend that anything was fine (because the white man says so). See Louis Armstrong. 

 

Anyhow, please listen to these songs and cure your ignorance

 

 

(Notice how all the audience members are white)

 

 

 

 

 

 

[StrawberryBlond 14,102]

Just now, PunkTheFunk said:

1) The Navy discharged a woman named Jessica Sims for having dreadlocks. A woman named Farryn Johnson was fired from Hooters because of her natural hair and was awarded $250 000 after a lawsuit. A woman named Ashley Davis was hired as a secretary, and two months after she was hired the company introduced a no-dreadlock policy; she was the only one in the company with dreadlocks. I'm sure there are plenty more examples that don't make the news.

2) You will never be fired from a job for having red hair. You will never be institutionally discriminated against for having red hair. You will never be incarcerated for having red hair.

3) I'm not even black. I'm South Asian. And yes, I suffer in ways that you might have never considered.

1) You have to endure strict rules like this in the military - all people are subjected to strictness. There's always been guidelines about acceptable hairstyles there and you typically don't see people without crew cuts and very short styles. No dreadlocks is just one of the many unacceptable hairstyles. Just because it's from your culture doesn't mean you should wear it or that it's acceptable in all situations. The Farryn Johnson case is the perfect example of racial discrimination, but it' the only one. You fail to mention in the Ashley Davis case that the policy also stated that other hairstyles like mohawks and mullet were also unacceptable. The issue is that dreadlocks aren't an acceptable hairstyle in a professional environment. It's not always to do with race. You don't see people with other unacceptable hairstyles up in arms because they know not to go after jobs that require a mainstream style. You have to realise that dreadlocks simply aren't desirable among many because they look messy and because you can't wash them, there's an unhygenic aspect that puts people off. It's that simple. If it was a look pioneered by whites, the same sentiment would still be there.

2) That's an SJW's answer to everything that isn't the most severe of discrimination. You're arguing about the semantics of discrimination, which isn't right. Discrimination isn't a competition. I honestly thought my tale would touch you, but clearly not. Because you can't leave the little bubble you've made for yourself where only the most "mainstream" of oppression is worth fighting against. And by the way, there was this girl who got suspended from school until she toned down the colour of her natural red hair, which she had dyed brighter:

Now, you may say: "The school rules state no unnatural colours and that isn't a natural colour." But she is a natural redhead, she's just dying it a different shade of red. While her choices are indeed very bright, believe it or not, there are natural redheads with these vibrant tones. So, what are the school going to do if someone with that exact tone naturally wants to apply as a student? And red is a natural colour, it's just a more vibrant (but still natural) form of it. It's not one of those unnatural fire engine red tones. The school's probably full of girls with dyed blonde hair that are getting away with it. I'm Scottish - should I proclaim that it's discrimination if someone insults my red hair because it's part of my cultural heritage? I've got the feeling your answer is no, but why should that not be taken seriously?

3) I never made any assumption that you were black. And I know of the troubles that South Asians face. Just because I choose to approach racism from a realist angle and weigh up different possibilities doesn't mean that I'm ignorant.