Cher RANTS about Bernie Sanders on Twitter

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6 hours ago, Luc said:

But what is freedom? There are two types of freedom:

1. Paying no taxes (the right-wing way)

2. Being born with equal opportunity (free education), and having no sudden, unforeseeable costs (free healthcare, welfare for the unemployed/disabled)

The second option needs taxes, and if done progressively, the second option is better from an economic and moral view.

 

okay what the hell are you even talking about??? You are confusing the **** out of me what you just said. Obamacare was SUCH an "unforeseeable cost" are you kidding? And btw you never answered where your from.

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6 hours ago, Luc said:

But what is freedom? There are two types of freedom:

1. Paying no taxes (the right-wing way)

2. Being born with equal opportunity (free education), and having no sudden, unforeseeable costs (free healthcare, welfare for the unemployed/disabled)

The second option needs taxes, and if done progressively, the second option is better from an economic and moral view.

You keep avoiding the points in making by just bringing up the same thing over and over and over! Get a book and learn some history

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I'm not from U.S but You are crazy if you don't vote for Hillary, the First President Woman and Democrat!!

and who is that old man please. Are you Crazy? He is too old 

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1 minute ago, AgusPop said:

Hillary Queen!!!

I'm not from U.S but You are crazy if you don't vote for Hillary, the First President Woman and Democrat!!

and who is that old man please. Are you Crazy? He is too old 

Age is not how you judge candidates. Anyway, If you aren't from the US, I don't blame you for making a faulty assumption that Hillary is an okay way to go. She's an opportunistic candidate that will lie her way to win, she's always been that way.

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9 hours ago, cameron9814 said:

You keep avoiding the points in making by just bringing up the same thing over and over and over! Get a book and learn some history

Your points were:

- Some rambling about immigrants (irrelevant to the discussion)

- The colonialists arrived in the US to find freedom (to which I said that freedom can be seen in many different ways)

- That the US needs something different from what happened in the past 8 years (well, the same was said 8 years ago. And then people had a really good reason to say so: Bush squandered an enormous amount of money that the state didn't have on wars that worsened the situation and social security to get elected for a second term. 

- you asked me to say which awful Christian things Bush did, but I didn't say that Bush did awful Christian things :confused: 

I thought we were discussing about the effects of left-wing and right-wing economic policy :confused: 

9 hours ago, cameron9814 said:

 

okay what the hell are you even talking about??? You are confusing the **** out of me what you just said. Obamacare was SUCH an "unforeseeable cost" are you kidding? And btw you never answered where your from.

Having to pay the same amount each month for healthcare makes it a foreseeable cost, while if you suddenly need medical care it's an unforeseeable cost, limiting your freedom because you have to save your money or loan money to possibly pay for it in the future.

I'm from the Netherlands, but I think it's unimportant to note that.

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1 hour ago, Luc said:

Your points were:

- Some rambling about immigrants (irrelevant to the discussion)

- The colonialists arrived in the US to find freedom (to which I said that freedom can be seen in many different ways)

- That the US needs something different from what happened in the past 8 years (well, the same was said 8 years ago. And then people had a really good reason to say so: Bush squandered an enormous amount of money that the state didn't have on wars that worsened the situation and social security to get elected for a second term. 

- you asked me to say which awful Christian things Bush did, but I didn't say that Bush did awful Christian things :confused: 

I thought we were discussing about the effects of left-wing and right-wing economic policy :confused: 

Having to pay the same amount each month for healthcare makes it a foreseeable cost, while if you suddenly need medical care it's an unforeseeable cost, limiting your freedom because you have to save your money or loan money to possibly pay for it in the future.

I'm from the Netherlands, but I think it's unimportant to note that.

Its very important because you only see what's going on in America based on media, so your not actually here living it like I am. The media blurs everything to get the world to think what they want. Obama ****ed us over and we need a President like Trump who will get **** done and be ruthless about it. He's not going to worry about people rights because that's not his job. He's gunna fix our relations with other countries and do it without corporations telling him what to do. Bernie and Hillary are jokes. If Hillary is president that would be a nightmare because everything would be a political correct game trying to prove that woman are better than men and that only black lives matter. Which is wrong because everyone is equal but they don't believe that. And Bernie would try to make America socialist which is not what America is and that would be shity for anyone who actually makes a living because it will be taken and given to the poor. And that's bull **** in my eyes. I'm saying that people came to this country to be free from the king. And freedom changes constantly so don't change my words around. I am passionate about this because I live here and I'm effected by this and my future is on the line.

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58 minutes ago, cameron9814 said:

Its very important because you only see what's going on in America based on media, so your not actually here living it like I am. The media blurs everything to get the world to think what they want. Obama ****ed us over and we need a President like Trump who will get **** done and be ruthless about it. He's not going to worry about people rights because that's not his job. He's gunna fix our relations with other countries and do it without corporations telling him what to do. Bernie and Hillary are jokes. If Hillary is president that would be a nightmare because everything would be a political correct game trying to prove that woman are better than men and that only black lives matter. Which is wrong because everyone is equal but they don't believe that. And Bernie would try to make America socialist which is not what America is and that would be shity for anyone who actually makes a living because it will be taken and given to the poor. And that's bull **** in my eyes. I'm saying that people came to this country to be free from the king. And freedom changes constantly so don't change my words around. I am passionate about this because I live here and I'm effected by this and my future is on the line.

Yeah you're right, it's not what America is all about. America is a corporate hellhole where the middle class is disappearing and people are WAGE SLAVES who work just to pay to survive, and become debt slaves for wanting an education to get ahead. And are stuck with even more debt if they can't afford medical insurance and their entire life is ****ed if they get into an accident. Some freedom.

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44 minutes ago, cameron9814 said:

Its very important because you only see what's going on in America based on media, so your not actually here living it like I am. The media blurs everything to get the world to think what they want. Obama ****ed us over and we need a President like Trump who will get **** done and be ruthless about it. He's not going to worry about people rights because that's not his job. He's gunna fix our relations with other countries and do it without corporations telling him what to do. Bernie and Hillary are jokes. If Hillary is president that would be a nightmare because everything would be a political correct game trying to prove that woman are better than men and that only black lives matter. Which is wrong because everyone is equal but they don't believe that. And Bernie would try to make America socialist which is not what America is and that would be shity for anyone who actually makes a living because it will be taken and given to the poor. And that's bull **** in my eyes. I'm saying that people came to this country to be free from the king. And freedom changes constantly so don't change my words around. I am passionate about this because I live here and I'm effected by this and my future is on the line.

One of the functions of the president should be moral guidance and to give an example for others to follow. Not worrying about people's rights is one of the worst things a president could possibly do, it basically means autocracy. 

I also don't see how Trump would make the US friends again with many countries. He's friends with Putin, so the US could become friends with Putin, but the question is whether the US should actually be friends with Putin. I think not. He's a bully, like Hillary said. But other than Russia, there's also the UK (where the parliament is deciding whether to BAN Trump or not), the EU (whose top politicians are internationalist and mostly progressive), China (towards which Trump has said some bad things), the Arab world (not going to become friends with Trump at all!!), Canada (with a very progressive president right now) and Mexico (those rapists, y'know - not going to become Trump's friends).

If you want a Republican president, that's acceptable. But not Trump! He would ruin America's position in the world. He will isolate the US from all other countries. He is stupid, simply said - he doesn't know how complicated something like Syria is, and he doesn't know what money is worth.

But I guess you, just like many others, are attracted to his populist, pointless drivel. You don't want to talk, or even think about what the effects of Trump's policy would be. 

 

Obama is a very good president with very good climate, education, healthcare and economic policy. His hesitation to make the US involved in wars and problems outside the US has greatly benefited the whole world, and saved billions of dollars. Sadly he couldn't do much during much of his presidency due to the Republicans.

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16 minutes ago, Luc said:

One of the functions of the president should be moral guidance and to give an example for others to follow. Not worrying about people's rights is one of the worst things a president could possibly do, it basically means autocracy. 

I also don't see how Trump would make the US friends again with many countries. He's friends with Putin, so the US could become friends with Putin, but the question is whether the US should actually be friends with Putin. I think not. He's a bully, like Hillary said. But other than Russia, there's also the UK (where the parliament is deciding whether to BAN Trump or not), the EU (whose top politicians are internationalist and mostly progressive), China (towards which Trump has said some bad things), the Arab world (not going to become friends with Trump at all!!), Canada (with a very progressive president right now) and Mexico (those rapists, y'know - not going to become Trump's friends).

If you want a Republican president, that's acceptable. But not Trump! He would ruin America's position in the world. He will isolate the US from all other countries. He is stupid, simply said - he doesn't know how complicated something like Syria is, and he doesn't know what money is worth.

But I guess you, just like many others, are attracted to his populist, pointless drivel. You don't want to talk, or even think about what the effects of Trump's policy would be. 

 

Obama is a very good president with very good climate, education, healthcare and economic policy. His hesitation to make the US involved in wars and problems outside the US has greatly benefited the whole world, and saved billions of dollars. Sadly he couldn't do much during much of his presidency due to the Republicans.

Most of congress was democrat until recently. he had ample opportunity to do plenty.

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20 minutes ago, monstereo said:

Yeah you're right, it's not what America is all about. America is a corporate hellhole where the middle class is disappearing and people are WAGE SLAVES who work just to pay to survive, and become debt slaves for wanting an education to get ahead. And are stuck with even more debt if they can't afford medical insurance and their entire life is ****ed if they get into an accident. Some freedom.

Do you have personal experience with this?

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i'm voting for hillary, not because shes a woman but because her plans and policies are more realistic.

i like bernie and his ideas, but they seem more idealistic than realistic and what everyone seems to forget is that when the president takes office, they have to work with congress. i just don't see how his plans are gonna get through congress, unless you vote in the right people in congress, which people tend to forget about also. are the same people who wanna vote for bernie going to vote in the congressional elections too? Because thats the only way I see bernie's ideas possibly becoming reality. right now republicans make up most of congress, and I don't see them agreeing with bernie...especially with him being a self-proclaimed socialist.

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56 minutes ago, aquaprincess said:

i'm voting for hillary, not because shes a woman but because her plans and policies are more realistic.

i like bernie and his ideas, but they seem more idealistic than realistic and what everyone seems to forget is that when the president takes office, they have to work with congress. i just don't see how his plans are gonna get through congress, unless you vote in the right people in congress, which people tend to forget about also. are the same people who wanna vote for bernie going to vote in the congressional elections too? Because thats the only way I see bernie's ideas possibly becoming reality. right now republicans make up most of congress, and I don't see them agreeing with bernie...especially with him being a self-proclaimed socialist.

I think of all the criticisms of Bernie in this thread, this is the most valid understandable one for me. (Not based on some red-flag words like "Socialism"  )

Maybe I'm just a naive optimist, but I think he can get things done  Honestly, the anti-Hillary propaganda from the Right (and the left) is raining down hard on Hillary. I can't foresee her having that much more ease with negotiating with Congress compared to lets say Obama, with which most everything he did in 8 years was seen as highly controversial, even when most of it was actually pretty effective on some level  Hillary will have great policies and what not, but with the media circus frenzy talking about "She killed those people in Benghazi, E-MAILS! STAYED WITH HER CHEATING RAPIST HUSBAND/ENABLED HIM!" all working against her... I think it could even be WORSE than Obama. I mean what did they have on him? Other than the most baseless "He's black" blatant racism, and "He's not from America!" bull **** and "He's never been a soldier!" irrelevant point, not much yet he is still hated to THIS DAY as if he is the spawn of Satan and everything he does is bad. Most people that I ask about what Obama has done in his presidency honestly dont even know, or they have been told flat-out lies - like that he has "more executive orders than any president", etc. because of the media heavily working against him - to the aid of Republicans and ill-informed independents whose only idea of what Obama actually did in office was "Obamacare, and the media and the republicans say say its sucks, so it must be true!"

I got a little off topic, but my point was that because the Republicans previously (its changing a bit) saw Bernie as just an "old socialist with no chance" and underestimated the power of social media and his generally inspirational, but practical approach. I'd say there is less backlash to him. Both him and Hillary actually have pretty good bi-partisan history on many topics. In fact, before Benghazi and Hillary's Presidential Run, she was INCREDIBLY well respected by most people, and Bernie's been around and made friends and allies in many places for a long time. That's why I like him more  

I honestly was very pro-Hillary at the beginning of the race and was hoping she'd run for President since well before she announced. If i were old enough to vote at the time, I probably would've voted for her in 2008 as well. But shes kind of revealed a very "yes-man" opportunistic side this run, which I think has painted her in a bad light. At the beginning of all this last year, it was easy to "prefer Bernie" but recognize that Hillary had a much better chance of winning, but now the lines have been blurred a bit. I'm not sure who I'm voting for with 100% certainty yet  

On the other hand, the democrats dont currently have the numbers in the House (but they kind of almost do in the Senate...) to place such a disgusting gridlock on things just because they might hate the President, where as with Obama, this happened often and stifled progress and legislation  The Republicans to me seem much more polar far right than the average Democrat in terms of voting. I see there being more debate and discussion and moderate voting from the left,, where as basically unanimous or barely not unanimous votes from the right on heavy politicized issues (like Obama care, etc) can easily occur  

So there's that  

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