Do you consider Lady Gaga to be the greatest pop act of all time?

[Bradley 59,023]

16 minutes ago, Didymus said:

Well, I give her credit for that too, absolutely. People don't call her "the Madonna that can sing" for nothing. And she did bring back that superstar feel, which she literally said herself was her goal. So absolutely, I can agree with this.

Well.. I mean, I care more about Madonna's impact on a social level than on a commercial one. Her support for homosexuals in the 90's was groundbreaking and I've talked to many "older" gay people who talk about Madonna the way some LM's talk about Gaga. That's definitely food for thought (explains a post in another thread where I said that Gaga's support for gays didn't excite me). I won't deny that Gaga's a gay icon (even if Gaga doesn't want to be called that herself) and has become a presence in the context of bullying etc., no one should. That just doesn't erase similar achievements by other, preceding artists, to the malcontent of many.

True, but I wouldn't include any major pop artist here. Of course you don't need to influence major pop acts to be influential (Gaga obviously had a huge impact on a whole generation of up-and-coming new generation acts but none of those got famous yet - Madonna has directly influenced many pop icons; took a while for them to become famous too of course, so the same could possibly happen with Gaga), so it will be interesting to look at the evolution of pop music in a few years although, personally, I don't think Gaga was ever at the steering wheel of pop dynamics except in terms of style and fashion and only for a short period of time (an achievement that should mostly be connected to her stylists if we're completely honest).

Anyway, that post sounds a lot more pleasing to my ears

Sorry if I reacted a bit aggressively, but sometimes it just bugs me that people don't seem to be able to enjoy Gaga's career without wanting it to be bigger than it is right now (whether in the past, present or future). I don't think you're one of those people, personally, but I guess your post (esp. the "easily" outdoing Madonna parts) just brought it out in me Thanks for not freaking out though.

I absolutely acknowledge Madonna as a gay icon and a force to thank for supporting and accepting gays, especially when people were still close-minded and more homophobic in the past. She was unafraid to speak out what she believed in and I applaud her for that. I also thank Gaga for joining the community and speaking out for gays though. I mean Katy Perry who calls herself a gay activist, is in no way as bold as Madonna and Gaga in gay rights. So M and LG both did an amazing job, though I didn't write that to spite Katy, just pointing out how two amazing women have been so forceful and supportive.

You weren't too aggressive actually, and you presented some good points so I guess that's why I didn't freak out. I've learnt from you that you are in no way a Gaga hater, you just like to be fair and let facts be facts (though many times objective matters cannot produce clear-cut conclusions but what you presented was rather convincing rather than insulting)  I mean I've seen worse comments, so yours was okay to me.  I think it's okay if fans want her to be successful (I mean who wants his/her fav to decline?), as long as they don't start insulting or fighting with other fanbases. I've seen Taylor and Katy fans pit each other and that's awful.

[DontDoubtDavid 1,191]

"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder". To me personally she is. Because I'm of this generation and was a teen when she showed up, I was able to first hand witness and understand her rise to fame. I was able to see and admire how creative she is and watch her evolve before my own eyes. Also in the age of technology, I was able to follow her and hear her thought more openly. She took advantage of our technological culture and pretty much made everything she did a performance, everyday being a new act of her "show". She revolutionized pop music and turned everything about it (the music itself, videos, performances, interviews, etc.) into an art form.

 

However, this is just my opinion. The only reason I say this is because she the first artist of her kind I have witnessed do this in my lifetime. For people born in the 60s/70s/80s, the artists they were able to relate to and have a similar experiences as mine were people such as Michael Jackson, Madonna, and Britney Spears. For me, I was to young to understand these artists. I never really saw or understood their evolution, but instead feel the impact they have had. The cycle will repeat with every generation. Eventually a new artist will come who will change the game, and people of my generation will not see them as great as Lady Gaga because we are already to in love with her.

[Mast 980]

13 hours ago, FlopSlut said:

Except for the Judas picture you posted, the rest were when she had the hip injury so she couldn't dance very well. That's why i specified "early BTW era".

As a dancer myself, I can tell she is definitely an above average dancer. She might not always be on sync because she has to do the lyric-motions and the singing, but her moves (in the eras i mentioned) are VERY sharp. 

Gurl yes, those people are good too. That's why I said one of the best 

 

 

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Not the best dancer, but definitely a good dancer... or used to be... 

If there is something that televised performances are good at, it's choosing the best angles to conceal mistakes. Watch the SNL and X-Factor performances again, and see how Gaga still managed to **** up the breakdown of the song. They concealed it by changing the camera angle during the times she messed up in both shows. Especially in the X-factor. First they shoot her from a low angle to decrease depth and then they zoom way out so you can barely even make out her movements. Let's also not forget that MTN and BTW have the easiest and most pedestrian choreographies under her belt. 

Call me when Gaga can do this:

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[LebaneseDude 6,146]

No. I think Michael Jackson holds that title. 

I will say she is the greatest pop act today though.

At this point I say she on track to becoming the most versatile artist of all time.

That's better than being the best pop act. It means she's good at everything, if not the best at it.

[Bellatrix 34,772]

Not even close

[AyeshaErotica 1,686]

I would not even consider her to be among the biggest ones yet, though in future there are chances to get there

I think she became less famous after 2010 and lost her biggest-star-right-now-status pretty quick after the VMAs, since BTW she is no more a "huge star"

[sipthistea 21,099]

Not yet

[Lord Temptation 11,209]

At the very least, she is (A) the most talented artist of our generation, and (B) the most influential pop artist of the 21st century.

If any of you fake ass bitches want to dispute that fact, I dare you to tell me who is???

[Lord Temptation 11,209]

5 hours ago, Mast said:

If there is something that televised performances are good at, it's choosing the best angles to conceal mistakes. Watch the SNL and X-Factor performances again, and see how Gaga still managed to **** up the breakdown of the song. They concealed it by changing the camera angle during the times she messed up in both shows. Especially in the X-factor. First they shoot her from a low angle to decrease depth and then they zoom way out so you can barely even make out her movements. Let's also not forget that MTN and BTW have the easiest and most pedestrian choreographies under her belt. 

Call me when Gaga can do this:

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God you're juvenile. Thank God you don't like Gaga. I love how she makes you feel inadequate.

[Alien Tulip 12,428]

No but why does she need to be "the best"? Gaga is Gaga. She's pretty awesome and that's all that matters. Most of the world will say Michael Jackson and Madonna are the greatest pop acts of all time and I agree that they are but that doesn't mean I like them more than I like Gaga. Gaga is multi talented BUT she's not a pro at every skill she has just like every other artist. 

[Alien Tulip 12,428]

22 hours ago, ReidOne said:

OK, OK... I see this quickly spiraling into a, "No, Michael Jackson is the best" thread... which is perfectly appropriate.

But we also have to consider --- MJ lost his DAMN MIND once he reached Gaga's level of fame. Yet, Lady Gaga could not be more even-keeled if Iyanla Vanzant was her personal assistant. I mean, this girl has got it TOGETHER. She has a sane perspective, living in full moderation of everything in her life. That's a huge part of why I love her. She has her **** TOGETHER. Whitney, Michael, Janet, Mariah, Aretha, etc cannot say the same. 

What the ****? Gaga is on medication and had a public meltdown in 2013 that worried people into thinking it could escalade into a 2007 britney meltdown. Have you been living under a rock? Gaga has her **** together now but she's not exactly level headed. She's human and so was MJ and Whitney. 

[Alfonso 1,547]

One of them, sure, because there's always great artists like Gaga or Madonna 

[Alien Tulip 12,428]

13 hours ago, Didymus said:

I'm sorry, but that doesn't make sense. People started to compare her with Madonna the day she came out so obviously the "it represents her influence" argument is ridiculous. They were compared for their body of work, not for their influence. Not ever for their influence, except for the fact that they both got people to dress up before going to concerts (and even there there's a major difference because Madonna actually impacted street wear too in her first ever era).

I think your whole post is rather odd tbh. You're saying Gaga "defines" being an entertainer when, really, the nature of her entertainment has consistently been compared to Madonna It's Madonna who has defined what a female pop star does and Gaga neatly follows in her footsteps so far (as everyone does). If you think Madonna doesn't have a large acting (she even won a Golden Globe) and directing career behind her, you simply don't know enough about her. Singing jazz? Done by other artists (incl. Madonna). So far Gaga hasn't done anything major that people before her haven't done. And before you say "it's too early", yes it is, but it's also too early to expect that she will become the greatest pop act of all time.

I mean, the whole point is that Madonna, through her work, has pushed what a female pop star can do in the industry. She is remembered for propelling the music business into a new age. Gaga is talented but so far she hasn't shown much interest in pushing those boundaries once again. Which is why I don't think she will ever be remembered as being more influential than someone who literally redefined the industry.

So "she can easily outdo her in the future", I don't think so. To outdo her, she'll have to be able to keep the audience at her feet for more than 30 years (let's face it, in terms of commercial success for the first 8 years she's already doing FAR worse), she'll have to release several universally critically acclaimed albums (hasn't happened yet while it did happen in Madonna's first 8 years), she'll have to go on the most successful female solo tour in history (doubt she'll achieve that) and she'll have to act in 21 movies, three theater plays, direct and co-write 3 movies and sell more than 300 million albums worldwide. She'll also have to be remembered as someone who consistently pushed the boundaries of being a female artist in the music industry and someone who singlehandedly transformed it. She'll have to become a feminist icon and achieve more financial success (and control) than any of her female peers. Easily? I don't think so.

Lemme just ask you tho, why does she have to outdo Madonna? I don't think anyone will outdo Madonna for a very long time. Artists like Gaga still walk in her footsteps and god knows they're even acknowledging it.

None of us know what the future will bring, but I do think that to say that Gaga can "easily" outdo Madonna's career is willful ignorance. We're obviously better off just enjoying the ride Gaga provides without slapping unnecessary ambitions, credentials or futures on her.

This whole post is nothing but the truth  Beautifully said.

[Mast 980]

2 hours ago, Lord Temptation said:

God you're juvenile. Thank God you don't like Gaga. I love how she makes you feel inadequate.

???? What?
I love Gaga, but I'm not gonna hand her free receipts. She's nowhere close to being the best at anything. In pop music, she only comes to closest at having the best vocals and songwriting. She is not, however anywhere close to being the greatest dancer. I'm a dancer and have studied dance for years. In no way does that make me an expert, but I am experienced in the area and I can tell you her choreographies are tailored to her performance. Rarely are they demanding and there is a reason to why they are never core-heavy. She doesn't make me feel inadequate. It's not my problem whether she decides to excel at something or not. I'm just saying the truth. Do you think I'd be here since 2012 if I didn't like her? You people make me laugh.

[Miley 5,006]

One of. It's way too early. She needs to bring more music and albums.