MJHolland 12,725 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 1 minute ago, Didymus said: What kind of messy poll is that. That's only based on the Muslims who would agree that sharia should be the law of government. And there's no information about what numbers agree with that. This death penalty for leaving Islam has always been the most severe in Islamic history. But I don't see how a poll like that proves that Arabs are too conservative to function properly in a Western society (where sharia ISN'T the law of the state). I like how you completely ignored the first of the two polls lmao. Also these numbers are from Pew, so they're rather credible... lol. When most people in the Arab world want Sharia law, and being gay under Sharia law is punishable by death, how can you then be shocked when they come to the west and bring homophobia? I don't understand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Stop derailing the thread with your irrelevant polls. There are so many ex muslims living in Western countries and there is no whole community or even majority chasing them to end their life. People are individuals. FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,380 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 3 minutes ago, MJHolland said: I like how you completely ignored the first of the two polls lmao. Also these numbers are from Pew, so they're rather credible... lol. When most people in the Arab world want Sharia law, and being gay under Sharia law is punishable by death, how can you then be shocked when they come to the west and bring homophobia? I don't understand. It wasn't posted yet.. open your eyeballs, the post was edited. I'm not shocked there's homophobia among refugees, I never said I was or assumed there is no homophobia among them.. you are honestly a nightmare to talk to, so I'm not even gonna give you the light of day anymore. My conclusion stands: this article is bs and I believe in the power of education of all European inhabitants (including people born on the soil and refugees, immigrants,...) to set records straight, though I am only pessimistic about the goodwill of politicians and the people who support them to change the education system to adapt to the reality of things today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJHolland 12,725 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 2 minutes ago, Didymus said: I see another poll has been added but it's still not conclusive. We don't know how many Muslims were asked (when you don't know numbers you can almost state that the poll is a failure) and even if it's representative, it's only about their country. Refugees who move to another country obviously don't expect sharia to be the law in that country's government. It would only take an idiot (or two, apparently) to believe in such a thing. LOL. I love when you resort to petty insults. I've been arguing with you long enough to know that that's what you do when you start losing To reiterate, this poll was done my the largest, most reputable non-profit unbiased polling institution in the world. Yet you are bashing their credibility. I find that laughable. Additionally, the poll is representative of Muslims who move to another country. Idk what you're going on about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,380 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 6 minutes ago, MJHolland said: LOL. I love when you resort to petty insults. I've been arguing with you long enough to know that that's what you do when you start losing To reiterate, this poll was done my the largest, most reputable non-profit unbiased polling institution in the world. Yet you are bashing their credibility. I find that laughable. Additionally, the poll is representative of Muslims who move to another country. Idk what you're going on about. How can you lose when your points aren't being addressed? You told me that education equals brainwashing, yet you failed to explain why even though I specifically asked. Looking back, I see that 90% of my other points are also ignored. Nice. I can't conclude that a poll is representative if I don't have information about how it was made and how many people were involved and how exactly the questions were asked. The fact that you don't care about that is proof that you don't even care about any factual basis for your arguments. Go to school and learn how to read polls. It will do you good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goosey 3,017 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 18 minutes ago, Didymus said: What kind of messy poll is that. That's only based on the Muslims who would agree that sharia should be the law of government. And there's no information about what numbers agree with that. This death penalty for leaving Islam has always been the most severe in Islamic history. But I don't see how a poll like that proves that Arabs are too conservative to function properly in a Western society (where sharia ISN'T the law of the state). If you check the total percentages: EGYPT Percent of Egyptian Muslims favoring Sharia law: 86% Percent Egyptian Muslims favoring Sharia law who support the death penalty for apostates: 74% Therefore: Percent of Egyptian Muslims favoring death penalty for apostates: 64% So for the following countries: Afghanistan: 78% Pakistan: 64% Palestine: 59% Jordan: 58% Malaysia: 53% Iraq: 38% Bangladesh: 36% Thailand: 21% Tunisia: 16% Indonesia: 13% Lebanon: 13% It's fair to be concerned about some of those percentages... if Germany brings in 1,500,000 Syrian refugees and they have even 15% supporting a death penalty for apostasy (never mind polls on homosexuality) that's 225,000 new religious fundamentalists in the country... "I am the world's greatest person that does not want to let people into the country."—US President Donald J. Trump Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,380 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 5 minutes ago, Goosey said: If you check the total percentages: EGYPT Percent of Egyptian Muslims favoring Sharia law: 86% Percent Egyptian Muslims favoring Sharia law who support the death penalty for apostates: 74% Therefore: Percent of Egyptian Muslims favoring death penalty for apostates: 64% So for the following countries: Afghanistan: 78% Pakistan: 64% Palestine: 59% Jordan: 58% Malaysia: 53% Iraq: 38% Bangladesh: 36% Thailand: 21% Tunisia: 16% Indonesia: 13% Lebanon: 13% It's fair to be concerned about some of those percentages... if Germany brings in 1,500,000 Syrian refugees and they have even 15% supporting a death penalty for apostasy (never mind polls on homosexuality) that's 225,000 new religious fundamentalists in the country... Except that we don't know how many Muslims they asked in comparison to how many live in the countries I also read that they only asked a small portion of the countries. But even if the numbers are accurate, I already posted this and I stand by it: "even if it's representative, it's only about their country. Refugees who move to another country obviously don't expect sharia to be the law in that country's government." It would be foolish to deny that there will be problems with criminality associated with Islamic "tradition" (though it really only goes back to a couple of centuries), but it is also foolish to explode the issue into a pretension that the majority of refugees will actively resort to violence in a different country where they know the same laws don't apply (meaning: any person attempting to use violence against anyone under the guise of sharia will be arrested and probably thrown in jail). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slayer 9,227 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 1 hour ago, Goosey said: Could this be a right-wing conspiracy to turn public opinion against immigrants and refugees? I doubt they'd use the death of a gay man to tug at the heartstrings of conservatives. I love judas SO MUCH but I canʹt look like a copycat of JLO!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goosey 3,017 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 2 minutes ago, etron said: I doubt they'd use the death of a gay man to tug at the heartstrings of conservatives. They don't need to persuade conservatives, they need to persuade liberals and the uncertain. "I am the world's greatest person that does not want to let people into the country."—US President Donald J. Trump Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolev 867 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 I love how some of you cannot face islamic violence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cocaine Heart 4,768 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Trying to derail the thread with irrelevant and inaccurate polls Everyday some one will post sensationalist things to try and fight for their course of hatred against the refugees, muslims .... Embarrassing We going to boo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf 590 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 1 hour ago, Didymus said: Another weird element: where would they get women's clothing from if the victim lived with his boyfriend? Makes no sense, who the **** wrote this lmfao Another thing is "Teen REFUGEES" from Morocco, as far as I know there is no war in Morocco bizarre article Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 17 minutes ago, darkwolf said: Another thing is "Teen REFUGEES" from Morocco, as far as I know there is no war in Morocco bizarre article Can you and @Didymus report this thread about the title too? There is no reliable source that they were refugees and Swedish source I posted says nothing about refugees. FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,380 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 1 hour ago, Dolev said: I love how some of you cannot face islamic violence. I'll face real Islamic violence. Not an imaginary one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARTPOPdidntflop 3,987 Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 didn't the mirror also spread the fake story about the woman suicide bomber who's photos were taken from a woman who is alive in Morocco? Gaga x Nicki x Azealia x Ariana x Kesha x Bey Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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