Did ARTPOP's quality reputation suffer because of its success?

[Bradley 59,023]

4 minutes ago, DeathofSamantha said:

Adele says HELLO

The condition is that LG5 does as well as 25...

[Benji 20,113]

It probably effected a few "critics'" perception of the album because they expected her to explode with it. Although I think it's balanced out by some of the far too generous reviews.

Personally, the sells never bothered me. I'd rather her open with smaller numbers with something that slays me than open up with huge numbers and release something that's not exciting for me.

[Benji 20,113]

General reputation wise? I don't think so. Gaga's admitted she wasn't on the ball and it does show throughout the entire era and the music so the sells really aren't relevant.

I would say it's general reputation is pretty correct, it's okay / good but not her at her best.

[ARTPOPdidntflop 3,987]

41 minutes ago, AmericanHSlave said:

Born This Way didn't sell 10 million copies. It sold around 8 million copies worldwide I think. 10m was just an example.

Born This Way the single did  

[Alfonso 1,547]

1 hour ago, AmericanHSlave said:

As much as they deny, I can tell you their minds are to a certain extent influenced by its chart and commercial performance.

I try not to let that affect me. If ARTPOP sold 10,000,000 copies worldwide, people would drag you to hell for calling Born This Way a better album.

 

1 hour ago, Music said:

it's actually an amazing album.
i don't consider the public's opinion of ARTPOP when i'm listening to it and no one should let that effect them during their own listening experience.

at the end of the day, Gaga's ARTPOP sales are on par with her contemporaries, she was compared to her previous accomplishments; which were extremely impressive.

let's just hope that LG5's era is solely judged on the musical content of the album, not the amount it sells.

This>>>> 

#TheBlingDoesNotReflectTheMusic 

[Bradley 59,023]

32 minutes ago, Alfonso said:

 

This>>>> 

#TheBlingDoesNotReflectTheMusic 

That should be the reality but unfortunately it is not...

[eifulien 2,954]

Unfortunately it is a big YES for ARTPOP. For me, without throwing shade at her previous efforts, this is the best album she has released.

[ゼレミ ノヴェリノ 370]

If Applause peaked at #1 and ARTPOP's first week were 500-750k-ish I bet people would've praised it as an artful masterpiece.

[Quark 7,098]

14 hours ago, Benji said:

General reputation wise? I don't think so. Gaga's admitted she wasn't on the ball and it does show throughout the entire era and the music so the sells really aren't relevant.

I would say it's general reputation is pretty correct, it's okay / good but not her at her best.

I am not saying is her best, but is is certainly not as bad as people make it out to be. Like I said, sometimes it was very obvious that charts were getting in the way of its reputation.

[Benji 20,113]

1 minute ago, Enigma said:

I am not saying is her best, but is is certainly not as bad as people make it out to be. Like I said, sometimes it was very obvious that charts were getting in the way of its reputation.

I wasn't addressing or replying to your opinion. I just posted mine.

[Hexxx 2,244]

I wasn't worried about the charts cause i didn't like much of the album even before it started charting. The album lacks quality for me

[Didymus 34,379]

No.

The polarity already showed itself before it didn't do well on the charts. The first 24h there was already a polarization because of the Swinefest versions. The next 24h most opinions were formed and I remember there to be somewhat of a clear consensus that she could've pushed a lot further (not necessarily in a bad sense). When disappointed people confronted the pleased with the "It's called ARTPOP though, it's not experimental enough!" argument the response was: "The album isn't supposed to be experimental though." so there definitely was an awareness that the album was "just" a solid pop album, a realization the reviews maybe intensified in a negative way, sure, but it was there.

Also, there's no way you can point to critics in this context because they reviewed the album before it underperformed, so the reviews most definitely were not altered by commercial success at all. The majority of critics just didn't feel inspired and didn't think this was exceptional enough for a Gaga release, like I said, an awareness that was sort of already there (in more elegant terms of course) in the fanbase.

So no, I'm not convinced at all. I think it's easy to put it that way in hindsight, but that doesn't make it correct.

[Slayer 9,227]

I adore ARTPOP and I sometimes feel like I'm listening to a completely different album to the GP. Everybody was saying how she had lost her creativity and her music wasn't as good as it used to be, but there are so many bops on the album. Maybe it's just not as relatable for them, I don't know, but personally I can listen to the album the whole way through and love every second. I can't do that with any of her other albums. 

[Slayer 9,227]

1 minute ago, Didymus said:

No.

The polarity already showed itself before it didn't do well on the charts. The first 24h there was already a polarization because of the Swinefest versions. The next 24h most opinions were formed and I remember there to be somewhat of a clear consensus that she could've pushed a lot further (not necessarily in a bad sense). When disappointed people confronted the pleased with the "It's called ARTPOP though, it's not experimental enough!" argument the response was: "The album isn't supposed to be experimental though." so there definitely was an awareness that the album was "just" a solid pop album, a realization the reviews maybe intensified in a negative way, sure, but it was there.

Also, there's no way you can point to critics in this context because they reviewed the album before it underperformed, so the reviews most definitely were not altered by commercial success at all. The majority of critics just didn't feel inspired and didn't think this was exceptional enough for a Gaga release, like I said, an awareness that was sort of already there (in more elegant terms of course) in the fanbase.

So no, I'm not convinced at all. I think it's easy to put it that way in hindsight, but that doesn't make it correct.

Yes, I think this was ultimately the problem with the album. She was just releasing great, solid pop songs but she wasn't bringing anything new to the table. I think people expected her to raise the bar, like she was always known for. That's why ARTPOP just didn't connect with critics.  

 

 

[Hexxx 2,244]

Just now, GloZell Green said:

I don't understand the "ARTPOP didn't do well commercially" sh*t. The 3rd best selling album by a female in 2013 is hardly a flop. I'm laughing because it's mostly Katy and Madonna fan Gaga haters that attack her. FYI Do What U Want peaked higher than Brondey, TIHWD, and Unconditionally with less radio AirPlay and no music video. Dark Horse and Roar did well because they were played every hour on like every radio station. And Madonna fans  GUY peaked higher than the highest peaking single from Rebel Heart Bitch I'm Madonna. I love both of them but give that info to the haters :reductive: 

P.S. I'm not trying to flamebait but this is serious, seeing as how they are the two fan bases that constantly hate on Gaga's music videos. Its addressing numbers as a whole and I'm not generalizing the fan base as a whole.

Thank you cause i was highly upset by your last statements about Madonna fans and Rebel Heart.

On Topic: I remember when Aura leaked, people were like "Gaga done fell off." So i don't think charting had anything to do with it. Songs like G.U.Y, Donatella, and MANiCURE make me cringe and i think Venus is a horrible song. it's really fun to sing along to but when you listen to the lyrics, it's bad.

The rest of the album is really good.