REALITY 75,602 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 The whole thing really, without going in depth about it—because it seems like this topic is a sensitive one—it basically is Gaga in a nutshell: an artist who shares her passions and loves through different artistic media, like music, fashion, and even what she says about art. 🦠🧙♀️🥀📸🎉👻🕺🧟💊💖☎️🔪👤🐺🌱🌎 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropico 4,145 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 I'll break it down for you. ARTPOP, the album, was part of a big statement. The era was the other part of the statement. The rest was interpretation. If you remove words from a sentence, then you won't understand the full statement. It just won't work. The music tied in with the era itself like the visuals, the performance and videos. The album IMO represented pop. Swine tied in with the performance art bit at SXSW and in that momentc it created ARTPOP. The mixture of art and pop in that moment. That's ARTPOP. I could go on like bringing art culture into pop culture in the G.U.Y. video. So to see the artistry in ARTPOP, you have to look at the full picture. ♢ Social Justice Enthusiast ♢ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropico 4,145 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 People are always doing the most to discredit ARTPOP's artistry so it is to be expected that some people are frustrated. ♢ Social Justice Enthusiast ♢ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creyk 17,729 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 If we are being real, all songs with the exception of Swine have deep artistic meaning to them. Even Aura, in spite of it's vulgar chorus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
djBuffoon 12,081 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Think about it. The Fame is about inner fame. The Fame Monster is an inversion of that same theme. Born This Way is about self-empowerment, about how it is our birthright to live life as we wish. ARTPOP is about Gaga's experiences living as a popular artist. Each of her titles literally gives you the general theme of the respective album. As Gaga said, the album was intended to be exhilarating and cathartic, which it is. Not to mention that writing, singing, and co-producing an album is, well, artistic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Evans 8,917 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 23 minutes ago, PrinceGaga said: I honestly thought this whole time that the music itself doesn't have to have to BE artistic (even though it is an art form in itself. Well I guess it is artistic because it's Gaga's art) but her use of artistic references in art culture and fusing them into popular culture is itself, ARTPOP. I feel like it's more conceptual - meaning that her being is ARTPOP, not just the album. More like everything she does is what it is. Like her dressing as Mona Lisa - it has nothing to do with the music, but the fusion of art and pop culture is there. Or her posing for Robert Wilson in his paintings that were put in the Louvre, the fusion of art (being Robert Wilson) and popular culture (Gaga), creating awareness of the art world to a wider, younger audience. Kind of like what Cheek to Cheek did with teaching the younger generation about jazz (that would be jazzpop though ). Bringing art into the forefront, the reverse of Warhol's pop-art movement. I also believe that ARTPOP was meant to be FARRRR more visual than what we got. She even said she wanted a video for every song. That would have brought out images of artistic references. Look at the Applause and G.U.Y videos. SO many artistic references in both. ARTPOP was meant to be a visual album I think, that's the main reason why it's a let down, because all we have really is the music. That's my personal opinion on what it's all about. !!! my same thoughts. there was meant to be so much more. herself just being a popstar makes her pop culture, so her bringing those artistic references was the general concept that didn't completely come to fruition. that's also why Applause was the perfect lead single "pop culture was in art now art's in pop culture in me" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlaeUrAnus 15,858 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 I got nothing 'artistic' about ARTPOP. I am sorry, but that is my perception. It came off as forced. Her art, to me, is in her previous albums. In my messy era. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkchylde 14,857 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 What is artistic about ARTPOP? Well, something has to be, since y'all won't stop complaining about how it wasn't artistic enough. Now that I think of it, maybe y'all are just too narrow minded to realize you don't have to mix samplers like a salad and add random screams to make art out of music. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bear 7,515 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 I think the art was in the concept of what the album was meant to be. It was the delivery of an art form (i.e the visuals, the sounds, the performance etc.) through the medium of a pop culture album; A reverse to what Warhol did. I think the reason it didn't come across so clearly was due to the problems that occurred. If you look back the album started life as 'an album full of hits and nothing as serious as Born This Way', but it seemed to change direction to the 'Reverse Warholian' theme towards the end of the period when she had her hip accident. That, combined with the fact that Troy must have started putting pressure on how he wanted the album to be, meant that it got pulled in multiple direction and, in my opinion, ended up not being as cohesive as I think it was intended to be. Then with management controlling the era (the DWUW fiasco) Gaga couldn't even deliver as much of the visual side of things as she probably wanted to. So I guess what I am saying is, the intention of the art is present, but subtle and slightly fragmented- and with a name as in-your-face as ARTPOP people don't try hard enough to look for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bette Davis 12,742 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 The music and era was chaotic, messy, eclectic and manic, which is an artistic style in itself. If ARTPOP was an artistic movement it would be a blend of surrealism, abstract expressionism, and popart. Doesn't appeal to me personally, but I can't deny it's artistry. Cold as ice cream, but still as sweet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSK 611 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 The cover Koons The references to Greek mythology The reference to 1984 in Sexxx Dreams The video for Applause The Oz performance The dresses she wore that had paintings on them during the Venus era ...and I'm pretty sure there's more but I'm a little lazy to remember. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSK 611 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Plus just stating that ARTPOP was artistic, was artistic itself. Gaga has always loved classical art, and somehow mentioning she would bring that forward while being a pop icon is an artistic statement already. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mobster 14,604 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 1 minute ago, DSK said: Plus just stating that ARTPOP was artistic, was artistic itself. Such a reverse Warholian expedition But I'm only a man and I do what I can. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaLuna 12,732 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 It's a reverse Warholian experience, how is that NOT artistic? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sister 9,907 Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 The promotion / publicity The future's uncertain and the end is always near. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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