MJHolland 12,725 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 2 minutes ago, ARTPOPdidntflop said: Income from sheep herding? That doesn't even make sense You dodge financial catastrophes because your country's economic is driven by planting things and your GDP doesn't even come close to even one trillion dollars. Try running the worlds largest economy and with 350 million people. The U.S. does arguably the best with personal freedoms. The Germans with their advanced economy and culture shouldn't have such draconian laws. Shame on them tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARTPOPdidntflop 3,987 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 7 minutes ago, MJHolland said: You dodge financial catastrophes because your country's economic is driven by planting things and your GDP doesn't even come close to even one trillion dollars. Try running the worlds largest economy and with 350 million people. The U.S. does arguably the best with personal freedoms. The Germans with their advanced economy and culture shouldn't have such draconian laws. Shame on them tbh. "by planting things", we don't care about money here, we're all equal, although america is a country of consumerism and everything a product, you cut down your trees and pollute your rivers. So many homeless people in America America's economy would be fine if they weren't so corrupt and made so many mistakes Gaga x Nicki x Azealia x Ariana x Kesha x Bey Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bebe 17,289 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Can everyone stick on topic from now on please? This discussion isn't about the US/NZ and their respective economies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJHolland 12,725 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 11 minutes ago, ARTPOPdidntflop said: "by planting things", we don't care about money here, we're all equal, although america is a country of consumerism and everything a product, you cut down your trees and pollute your rivers. So many homeless people in America America's economy would be fine if they weren't so corrupt and made so many mistakes Oversimplified as hell, but let's stay on topic. Germany needs to move away from these laws. They were put in place to prevent a relapse into authoritative government regimes like what happened after the first World War and I no longer think that is quite necessarily in the 21st century. That's all I have to say. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARTPOPdidntflop 3,987 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 15 minutes ago, Bebe said: Can everyone stick on topic from now on please? This discussion isn't about the US/NZ and their respective economies. Okay Shontay ot: Glad she's in prison Gaga x Nicki x Azealia x Ariana x Kesha x Bey Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphine Prince 109,767 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 1 hour ago, Qualle1 said: To deny the Holocaust is a crime in Germany - and rightly so. I am interested in your thought process on this issue. Is the Holocaust exclusively the only thing in which you believe people deserve to be thrown in prison for their ideas? Or are there other things you believe people shoudn't say and should be thrown in prison for believing them? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphine Prince 109,767 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 1 hour ago, ARTPOPdidntflop said: When I think of America I think of Guns, Jail, The Westboro Baptist Church, Republicans, Racists, The South, Fast Food, Corporate America, Consumerism, Good TV and Movies Have you ever been to America? Your idea of America sounds like it was taken from major news headlines and TV shows. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARTPOPdidntflop 3,987 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 38 minutes ago, Morphine Prince said: Have you ever been to America? Your idea of America sounds like it was taken from major news headlines and TV shows. No but America reports it's own news, no? I watch American news Gaga x Nicki x Azealia x Ariana x Kesha x Bey Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphine Prince 109,767 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 14 minutes ago, ARTPOPdidntflop said: No but America reports it's own news, no? I watch American news I know but still I figured you had never been here considering some of the things you listed lol. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JbGaga 2,261 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Thats why I love America and Freedom of speech! (II dont agree with her btw) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melech 9,900 Posted November 17, 2015 Author Share Posted November 17, 2015 7 hours ago, Morphine Prince said: I am interested in your thought process on this issue. Is the Holocaust exclusively the only thing in which you believe people deserve to be thrown in prison for their ideas? Or are there other things you believe people shoudn't say and should be thrown in prison for believing them? Well you need to live in Germany I guess. The Holocaust is a big tragedy of the last century which was made in the hands of the Germans. And if you think like that. It's not so long ago. If one denies it. Then Two, Then three and suddenly a lot people think it never happened. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaronyoji 2,064 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 32 minutes ago, Simon said: Well you need to live in Germany I guess. The Holocaust is a big tragedy of the last century which was made in the hands of the Germans. And if you think like that. It's not so long ago. If one denies it. Then Two, Then three and suddenly a lot people think it never happened. but this is an 87 year old woman who grew up amidst the racism and denial. do you really think that mind set would be passed on to these younger, smarter, more open minded generations that are already learning what happened in the holocaust, had she NOT been jailed for simply denying this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbuHassan1992 766 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 8 hours ago, ARTPOPdidntflop said: No but America reports it's own news, no? I watch American news you do realize how stupid that sounds, right? It's like saying all I think about when I hear NZ is Lord of the rings and rugby Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melech 9,900 Posted November 17, 2015 Author Share Posted November 17, 2015 48 minutes ago, aaronyoji said: but this is an 87 year old woman who grew up amidst the racism and denial. do you really think that mind set would be passed on to these younger, smarter, more open minded generations that are already learning what happened in the holocaust, had she NOT been jailed for simply denying this? Yes. A lot of Germans, also younger ones, see themselves as victims of WW2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melech 9,900 Posted November 17, 2015 Author Share Posted November 17, 2015 10 hours ago, Bebe said: I agree that it's deplorable of this woman, she is obviously a horrible old racist. With that being said, I don't agree with her being locked in prison for 10 months. I understand that these beliefs are the most despicable and evil sorts of beliefs one can hold, but nobody should be locked up due to how immoral and disgusting their beliefs are. It is a slippery slope to really decipher what is and isn't offensive enough to be locked up for. I'm of the opinion that jail should focus on rehabilitation of criminals rather than punishment (Even in cases when rehabilitation isn't yet possible, it should be the goal). I'm of the opinion that jail is a way to separate those who pose a significant threat to society away from communities for their protection. This law is about punishment, not rehabilitation. This 87 year old woman also does not pose a threat to society with her outdated, conspiratorial beliefs. You don't live in Germany right? Then why do you think you can judge on German society? Germany has a problem with a rising far-right. She is a threat that she using public platforms to spread her Nazi propaganda. That shouldn't be allowed and hurts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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