How Katy Perry roars past Taylor Swift financially

[Alfonso 1,547]

17 hours ago, bionic said:

That's what Taylor gets for visiting like 10 countries on her world tour.

 

16 hours ago, Chump said:

You mean twice as much money as Katy gets for 1 show?

 

16 hours ago, Chump said:

Umm, Taylor made much more touring money than Katy

 

15 hours ago, Chump said:

If we don't count ANY of Taylor's tours to make it fair, their gross is still MUCH more. And artist doesn't charge ticket prices, it's entertainment company's deal. Prices are always as high as the demand is. If prices were lower than the level of demand, artist would have to play like 5 dates in one town. These are such simple things

This 

[Alfonso 1,547]

12 hours ago, ゼレミ ノヴェリノ said:

My country isn't even on Taylor's tour list but her impact here are enormous (Wildest Dreams are playing everywhere, not to mention her previous singles)

I have a feeling that she'll add more stops as time passes by tho

(Oot: Where's the emoticons?)

 

8 hours ago, Whispering said:

Lol, Katy didn't do stadiums because there wasn't demand for them. She didn't have enough people in any one area to demand stadiums. If KP could have pulled 50 to 60 thousand people in one date, she would have done those types of shows. 

The average prices aren't that far off...not ten times greater. That's BS. Anyway, Katy can't charge as much, because people wouldn't pay it. 

 

 

8 hours ago, Felicia said:

Taylor's obviously making more money per show. So those stats really mean nothing in the overall scheme.

 

8 hours ago, Whispering said:

True. Only 20 of Taylor's tour dates out of 86 were counted on the Forbes article. If they would have compared both complete tours, Taylor would have outsold Katy...with far fewer dates. 

This tho 

[Phoenix 17,395]

17 hours ago, Scarlet said:

"Perry’s overall success is often attributed to her ability to connect with fans on a personal level and tap into what they might be feeling."

Or maybe cause Taylor started with country music and is pretty much popular in US, she is not that much a global artist compared to Katy. Katy is more a WW artist than Taylor.

[Poope MOnster 1,446]

16 hours ago, Kacey Elizabeth said:

They didn't lie. Stop pretending like you know anything about Katy and how she connects with her fans and inspires them.

 

 

Yeah, by charging ten times more expensive and having one more tour over Katy which makes sense since she has 5 albums out while Katy only has 3 albums. Katy isn't greedy and money-hungry like Taylor and actually cares about her KatyCats and wants to have a fair price for the so they'll be all able to come and see her. 

You mean Madonna not actually care about her fan right? 

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Truth is that Taylor is nothing more than an exceptionally big national act. She has little appeal outside the US, unlike Katy and all the other major pop girls. 

I still remember how they tried to sell her to us with the performance + all the awards at the 2012 EMAs. She was practically unknown in Europe those days. And still now, she hasn't a real strong fanbase(here in Italy, for example) . ppl like her but not more than this

[MJHolland 12,725]

Wait. So you're telling me that Taylor went on nearly HALF of the amount of tours that Katy went on, yet Taylor's tour grossed only 15% less than Katy's... That's a win for Taylor lol, I'd be so embarrassed to be Katy hahaha

[Whispering 18,865]

36 minutes ago, MJHolland said:

Wait. So you're telling me that Taylor went on nearly HALF of the amount of tours that Katy went on, yet Taylor's tour grossed only 15% less than Katy's... That's a win for Taylor lol, I'd be so embarrassed to be Katy hahaha

Taylor actually will gross more than Katy, when all the dates are reported....with almost half the dates! You are right, it's a big win for Taylor! 

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9 hours ago, ctherainbow said:

It is going to take me a minute to respond to this.  Lemme grab a drink.

Yes, I was a stan during Teenage Dream.  If you've ever seen my posts in other sections, you'd see that I have a long history of only posting truthful information, not least because I don't want to look a fool.  I was in fact a Katy stan in 2010/early 2011.  

The boobs comment was a single sarcastic line that I was not actually presenting as a serious point, but thanks for typing up a response.

Of course I can't call it a fact, a fact of which I was very aware that you might try to drag me for while I was typing "I know for a fact".  What I mean is that there is very little evidence that I've found that indicates that people stan Katy for a personal connection and inspiration, but feel free to present me evidence that shows me otherwise, because if it's true, I would like to know.  And I'm serious about wanting to know; ever since I've seen you defending Katy in every negative thread on GGD, I've wondered why you feel so strongly about her, and whether there is in fact a large group of KatyKats who feel that strongly about her, so if you wouldn't mind sharing why you love her so much, I'd be more than willing to listen.

Now, getting to the on-topic part here; you say that Taylor's team decided not to book her for countries where she wouldn't have a sold-out show.  However, Katy's team clearly booked her for countries where she didn't sell out her show, so why would Katy's team do that, but Taylor's wouldn't?  Do you expect me to believe that Katy's team just loves the fans in these countries so much more than Taylor's team does?  Not being a part of Taylor's team, I of course cannot tell you why she didn't tour in these countries.  Also, you clearly did not take the time to read through my post.  I said, "Taylor could have easily booked one stop in many of the smaller European countries/some South American countries, and had a tour that looked far more global than it does now".  Nowhere did I suggest that her tour would have been more "global" than Katy's; I just said she could've made it look more global than it does now.  But thank you for breaking down all the stops for me.  Oh, and on those estimated total PWT tour totals, do you have sources?  Like Whitney, I'd like to see the receipts.  (Sidenote:  I did the math, based off of capacities for 1989 World Tour future and unreported dates, and Taylor could have attendance of around 2.5 million, which will also put it past a 200 million gross)   Perhaps we could all try harder to match that number with our tours.

In terms of future Katy and Taylor success, I guess we'll both just have to see.  Katy continues to have extraordinarily well-selling singles, while Taylor has continued to produce extraordinarily well-selling albums.  I just really take issue with a Katy stan acting like Taylor isn't at least catching up with Katy on a global level when 1989's sales just outside the US are almost as much as Prism's total sales, including the US.

Why do you expect me to believe that you were a Katy stan? You can't even spell the name of her fanbase right. It's KatyCat NOT KatyKat. KatyKats are what we call fake KatyCats. 

It's a long and personal story for me to explain how I became a KatyCat, but I'll do it. But can I DM it to you instead? It reminds of a very dark chapter of my life which is now behind me, and I don't feel comfortable talking about it in front of everyone in a huge pop forum like this. It's something I do not talk about except for when I'm with a few certain people. I've talked to a lot of KatyCats, and they've told me how Katy's music, story/journey, and personality saved their lives and inspired them in a big but positive way and if it wasn't for her, they probably wouldn't be alive. 

Maybe Katy's team booked her for countries where there was enough demand for her to at least sell out most of the tickets? Because she did, in fact, sell out most of the tickets in shows which she didn't fully/100% sell out. I think a lot of it also has to do with the fact that Katy wants all her fans to have the opportunity to see her live, so she went to those countries with her tour. 

In August, Capitol reported that The PRISMATIC World Tour had an attendance of 2 million, and that was before the Latin American leg had began. Of course, my numbers regarding Katy's tour are just estimations and predictions, but they are the most likely. 

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4 hours ago, Poope MOnster said:

You mean Madonna not actually care about her fan right? 

There's a difference - Madonna is a legend who's been in the entertainment industry for over 30 years now. She paved the way, created iconic moments in pop music and culture, is the most-successful solo artist of all time along with the best-selling female artist in history, is one of the most recognizable women in the world, and basically gave birth to the whole new generation of female acts in music that we have today. Taylor is nowhere near Madonna and will never be. She cannot put on a show as good as Madonna does.

[Psychedelic 1,098]

They both slay when it comes to bling bling... leave it there!

Constantly seeing the same disscussions in this site just to prove who has one more coin as if it were their money is depressing! You guys need to stop!!! :saladga: 

Some of you don't even like either of them :toofunny: 

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Taylor started out with country music which is not global at all so her fan base is mainly built in anglophone countries. Katy's pop music appealed WW since the beginning and she got a head start and has built fanbases around the globe which allows her to explore new territories with her tour(s).

However, Taylor is already going to outgross Katy's tour despite having 50% less dates. That's impressive considering she's anglophone-local and has yet to fully breakthrough worldwide. One or two more pop eras and she could surpass Katy WW influence in no time and could pull stadiums in Argentina or something. 

I want to see both of these ladies pull stadiums while flopping though… that will prove which has the most impact when touring. If Gaga could pull stadiums dates during ARTPOP then they should too unless they can't… 

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Katy also travels to third world countries like France and Mexico, while Taylor sticks with first world countries like the U.S. and China. Queen of Third World and Queen of First World. 

[StrawberryBlond 14,774]

Just now, Chump said:

Umm, Taylor made much more touring money than Katy

Let me rephrase it. I meant more "Katy tours wider than Taylor internationally." I think an artist who can tour in lots of countries is the real winner, regardless of how much money they're actually pulling in (especially when you factor difference in ticket pricing). Notice that the only places Taylor tours internationally are countries that are major music markets (UK, Netherlands, Germany, Japan, Australia) and countries that are rich (UK, Germany, Japan, Singapore, China, Australia). The only country that isn't either of those things is Ireland. But Katy's tour went to lots of countries that weren't major music markets or rich (Poland, Slovakia, Latvia, Indonesia, Peru, Panama, Costa Rica). I think, if she has the power to do that, it shows she's the one really winning whereas Taylor doesn't have the demand to take a risk.

Just now, Robinladen said:

She probably just picked the dates were she could have the highest grossing, but that doesn't mean she would struggle in all the other places. Teenage Dream was also bigger in the US than in a lot of other places. Taylor clearly got a LOT more global with this era. I'm not from the US myself and I hear a lot more people talking about Taylor now compared to the Red era. I'm pretty sure she could sell out an arena here now, but like I said she would probably make less money than in the countries she's doing rn.

I think her team only want her to tour the biggest arenas, that's the problem. If they'd just swallow their pride and let her perform at some smaller arenas while she's still growing in popularity, it would look a lot better. Maybe she would have had the demand for France...but only at Le Zenith, not the huge Bercy Arena. Maybe she would have had demand for Belgium...but only at Forest National, not at the huge Sportpaleis. And so on. But they only want her to tour big arenas and sell out well too, so they're not chancing anywhere that might only get a 50% attendance and look like a flop. But it's isolating her fans and making them feel like they don't matter all because of ego.

[Chump 1,093]

19 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

Let me rephrase it. I meant more "Katy tours wider than Taylor internationally." I think an artist who can tour in lots of countries is the real winner, regardless of how much money they're actually pulling in (especially when you factor difference in ticket pricing). Notice that the only places Taylor tours internationally are countries that are major music markets (UK, Netherlands, Germany, Japan, Australia) and countries that are rich (UK, Germany, Japan, Singapore, China, Australia). The only country that isn't either of those things is Ireland. But Katy's tour went to lots of countries that weren't major music markets or rich (Poland, Slovakia, Latvia, Indonesia, Peru, Panama, Costa Rica). I think, if she has the power to do that, it shows she's the one really winning whereas Taylor doesn't have the demand to take a risk.

It's not like Katy toured in MUCH more countries. One show in every country you listed (Poland and Slovakia are not even poor) doesn't make Prismatic look global. She didn't tour in Africa, India, Corea, Middle East, in Russia and other post-soviet countries (many). So Katy played it safe too

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The delusion and the rhetoric inventions to make Katy look at least able to compete with Taylor in the touring department in this thread are hilarious!

In what world is the Prismatic Tour more successful than the 1989 tour? What some of you fail to understand is that where Katy needs 3 or 4 dates to cover the same amount of audience Taylor is capable of doing it with one stadium date! That is why she has more audience attendance with half the dates. A tour operator in fact doesn't trust Katy to book stadiums and they book arenas and wait and see how many dates they can add to make profit whilst they trust Taylor and book stadiums and large arenas from the beginning. As for the prices it seems there is more demand hence the prices are higher. It doesn't go with which artist puts the best show rather than which artist has the bigger demand. For Taylor they had a pool of like 8-9 million album buyers out of which some will most probably wanna go to a concert and for Katy they got like 3,5 million ones. You do the math!