Would Beyonce be taken more seriously if she was white?

[StrawberryBlond 14,862]

17 hours ago, Harry said:

19 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said:

I don't know how the quote function is still not working properly on this site but whatever

I didn't baselessly jab you at all. Anything I accused you of was relevant to the discussion and based what you had said in regards to that topic. You brought up something completely irrelevant in order to make me look smaller, my opinion less important. And that has made me lose respect for you and doubt your credibility further. I'm now done with this.

I didn't think some mild controversial statements warranted calling me a racist, though. Maybe now you've understood what it's like when you've criticised my character? I've said that I have my reasons for saying what I did and I'm sorry. Do you really have to abandon the discussion now, just as things have got really good and I've started really hitting my stride? I hoped by this stage, you'd start seeing my point of view a bit more. Just for once, I'd like you to say I have a good point or two. If you won't judge me, I won't judge you. Please give me a chance to show you my true character because I don't know what it is, but you've got me all wrong.

17 hours ago, ARTPOPdidntflop said:

She's not gonna stop arguing that white rappers get hated on because they're white lol 

I like that you won't even reply to all the things I've said in my reply to you, probably because you can't handle a different opinion or don't have it in you to refute it. I will say this much: if Iggy Azeala said "I'm a racist, I'm a bigot" in one of her raps (as Nicki did in Roman In Moscow") or "them nappy-headed hoes" or "stunt double to the n***a monkey" (as Nicki did in Stupid Hoe) or used Nazi imagery in a lyric video (as Nicki did in Only), all hell would have broken loose. White rappers simply cannot get away with the kind of controversy that black rappers get away with all the time without question. Now, how can you possibly argue with the example I just gave you?

[Harry 26,836]

51 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

I didn't think some mild controversial statements warranted calling me a racist, though. Maybe now you've understood what it's like when you've criticised my character? I've said that I have my reasons for saying what I did and I'm sorry. Do you really have to abandon the discussion now, just as things have got really good and I've started really hitting my stride? I hoped by this stage, you'd start seeing my point of view a bit more. Just for once, I'd like you to say I have a good point or two. If you won't judge me, I won't judge you. Please give me a chance to show you my true character because I don't know what it is, but you've got me all wrong.

Oh so you admit your comments were problematic?

Started hitting your stride? If anything I felt your argument deteriorated as we went on, with you ultimately insulting me out of nowhere in an accusation that had nothing to do with the discussion to try and make yourself look better. That says all I need to know about your character.

[StrawberryBlond 14,862]

1 hour ago, Harry said:

Oh so you admit your comments were problematic?

Started hitting your stride? If anything I felt your argument deteriorated as we went on, with you ultimately insulting me out of nowhere in an accusation that had nothing to do with the discussion to try and make yourself look better. That says all I need to know about your character.

 

Yes, problematic and somewhat controversial. But I don't think they were wrong or racist.

I meant hitting my stride in the sense that I was showing you examples of what I was talking about, giving examples of untalented black rappers who have made it, giving examples of white rappers who have to apologise for things that black rappers don't, supported your statements about a lack of diversity in rap. I would love to know what you think about all this and I took so much time to think it out and I wouldn't like to see it get ignored.

Understand that I reacted like this out of anger at the way you were talking to me. I have always been under the impression that you were trying to make me small in an attempt to make you look better. I've said before that you must notice we accuse each other of the same faults - there's misunderstanding on both sides. When that happens, both sides tend to do a bit of equal mudslinging and it doesn't make either person come out well. It's the way other people treat me that get these confrontational reactions out of me. If you were diagreeing respectfully, I wouldn't feel the need to fight back. I've always said "If you throw stones at people, don't be surprised if they pick up those same stones and throw them back at you. Or if they choose rocks instead."

 

[Harry 26,836]

21 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

 

Yes, problematic and somewhat controversial. But I don't think they were wrong or racist.

I meant hitting my stride in the sense that I was showing you examples of what I was talking about, giving examples of untalented black rappers who have made it, giving examples of white rappers who have to apologise for things that black rappers don't, supported your statements about a lack of diversity in rap. I would love to know what you think about all this and I took so much time to think it out and I wouldn't like to see it get ignored.

Understand that I reacted like this out of anger at the way you were talking to me. I have always been under the impression that you were trying to make me small in an attempt to make you look better. I've said before that you must notice we accuse each other of the same faults - there's misunderstanding on both sides. When that happens, both sides tend to do a bit of equal mudslinging and it doesn't make either person come out well. It's the way other people treat me that get these confrontational reactions out of me. If you were diagreeing respectfully, I wouldn't feel the need to fight back. I've always said "If you throw stones at people, don't be surprised if they pick up those same stones and throw them back at you. Or if they choose rocks instead."

 

Untalented white people make it too, white people also get away with dodgy things too.

I don't think I've been disrespectful at all. I've remained on topic and called you out for statements you've made in regards to this, which is more than can be said for you.

[StrawberryBlond 14,862]

15 minutes ago, Harry said:

Untalented white people make it too, white people also get away with dodgy things too.

I don't think I've been disrespectful at all. I've remained on topic and called you out for statements you've made in regards to this, which is more than can be said for you.

Yes, but we're talking about rap specifically. The untalented white ones who do make it generally don't last for long (Vanilla Ice, Kreayshawn, Riff Raff), but the untalented black ones just won't go away. White rappers have to apologise for anything controversial that they've said in their raps, black rappers rarely have to apologise for anything. Honestly, the only instances I've ever seen of a black rapper apologising is when Rick Ross "apologised" - more like covered his ass - for that line about date rape in U.O.E.N.O and A$AP Rocky apologised for his disrespectful lines about Rita Ora on Better Things. But notice, it's always about something they've said about women - when white rappers apologise, it's nearly always because of something racial.

I think calling me racist, ignorant and intolerant was disrespectful (made me cry, actually). I don't think anything I said was worthy of those type of accusations. Really, if you ever see something I've written and interpret it as any of those things, just ask me if I meant it the way you think I did. Chances are, it's just the way I expressed it in text that came across bad. I am a bit misunderstood round here at times. But people have come round to me once they get to know me better. It's a shock to get praise for things I've said and be called sweet, thoughtful and a good friend by people on GGD one minute and the next, get blasted for being rude and disrespectful. So, of course, I get defensive. If you could get through an argument with me without being hateful to me, maybe you'd see the real me better.

[Harry 26,836]

2 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

Yes, but we're talking about rap specifically. The untalented white ones who do make it generally don't last for long (Vanilla Ice, Kreayshawn, Riff Raff), but the untalented black ones just won't go away. White rappers have to apologise for anything controversial that they've said in their raps, black rappers rarely have to apologise for anything. Honestly, the only instances I've ever seen of a black rapper apologising is when Rick Ross "apologised" - more like covered his ass - for that line about date rape in U.O.E.N.O and A$AP Rocky apologised for his disrespectful lines about Rita Ora on Better Things. But notice, it's always about something they've said about women - when white rappers apologise, it's nearly always because of something racial.

I think calling me racist, ignorant and intolerant was disrespectful (made me cry, actually). I don't think anything I said was worthy of those type of accusations. Really, if you ever see something I've written and interpret it as any of those things, just ask me if I meant it the way you think I did. Chances are, it's just the way I expressed it in text that came across bad. I am a bit misunderstood round here at times. But people have come round to me once they get to know me better. It's a shock to get praise for things I've said and be called sweet, thoughtful and a good friend by people on GGD one minute and the next, get blasted for being rude and disrespectful. So, of course, I get defensive. If you could get through an argument with me without being hateful to me, maybe you'd see the real me better.

Wait wait wait... So Kreayshawn and Riff Raff constitute as having "made it" for you but Macklemore is still on the fence? Come on now. If that's not bending reality to suit your opinion then I don't know what is.

You're literally complaining about black people apologising. What about Eminem's decade long use of s-xist and homophobic language in his lyrics? And white rappers SHOULD apologise if they make racially offensive statements, so should everyone, how could you possibly think otherwise? THAT'S why I think you're ignorant.

You saying "waah I'm not ignorant, I'm misunderstood, everyone else on GGD loves me" doesn't tell me anything, I'm going by what I'm actually reading you say. You keep saying you want to show me the real you etc... where do I meet that person? Because most of your posts in this thread have rubbed me completely in the wrong way. Don't try and paint me out as some kind of bully to demean what I'm saying. That won't work on me.

[StrawberryBlond 14,862]

15 minutes ago, Harry said:

Wait wait wait... So Kreayshawn and Riff Raff constitute as having "made it" for you but Macklemore is still on the fence? Come on now. If that's not bending reality to suit your opinion then I don't know what is.

You're literally complaining about black people apologising. What about Eminem's decade long use of s-xist and homophobic language in his lyrics? And white rappers SHOULD apologise if they make racially offensive statements, so should everyone, how could you possibly think otherwise? THAT'S why I think you're ignorant.

You saying "waah I'm not ignorant, I'm misunderstood, everyone else on GGD loves me" doesn't tell me anything, I'm going by what I'm actually reading you say. You keep saying you want to show me the real you etc... where do I meet that person? Because most of your posts in this thread have rubbed me completely in the wrong way. Don't try and paint me out as some kind of bully to demean what I'm saying. That won't work on me.

I'm using the term "made it" in different ways. I should have just said "became famous." I never said that I had a constant definition for it. I should have made that clearer. Note that I was talking about those rappers in past tense meaning that they aren't around anymore but Macklemore is still around, so obviously I've not put him in the same camp. You can't be sure about who's going to have longterm success anymore anyway. Everyone is on the fence until about album #3.

I'm not complaining about them apologising, I'm complaining about them not having to apologise when they clearly need to. I don't excuse Eminem's faults and they were always the area that made me resent him at times - I'm pleased he apologised and cleared it all up on his latest album and hope he doesn't go back to his old ways. Of course white rappers should apologise but if so, so should black ones. But they don't seem to think they need to. Look what I said to ARTPOPdidntflop - I pointed out those racist statements Nicki said in her raps. Was she called out for it? Did the story make it onto any news outlet? Did she apologise for it? No. The imagery in the Only video did get called out but she never apologised. If a white rapper said those things she did, there would be a riot. This is what I'm talking about. And in the case of Macklemore, he practically apologised for being white just because he won over a black rapper when no black rapper has ever had to apologise for winning over a white rapper. It's ludicrous. Being treated equally doesn't mean you get endless rights and privileges, it means you're held to the same standards. If a white rapper can be called out for racism, so should a black rapper. And vice versa to suit every controversy. Everyone needs to take responsibility for their actions no matter what their race.

Just hang around the general boards and you'll see me being nice. It's just because you're used to seeing the music reviewer side of me as most of the time, I'm posting in the music threads. And I take music very seriously, so of course I can be very steadfast in my opinions. I defended Demi in that thread you posted recently, I'm always fighting for feminism (despite what you seem to think), I even defended people you wouldn't expect, like Kim Kardashian. In my more lighthearted posts, I laughed at a video of a bear breaking a kayak, said how handsome I thought Kanye West was and told embarrassing stories about myself. Thing is, it's through PMs that you really see the true me. That's where my deepest friendships are here and where heart to hearts happen. That's why I encourage anyone who has a problem with me to talk it out in private so they can see the real me behind the person who posts opinions that don't suit everyone's taste. 9 times out of 10,they change their mind about me (apart from like I said before, when 2 people stopped talking to me after I said I liked Iggy's album). I want to get along with everyone. I know it may not seem like that, but I do. I don't have a problem with people disagreeing with what I say, as long as they express it nicely. I have a strong sense of wanting justice in every situation which is why I'm always being so outspoken about talentless artists making it while talented ones can't get anywhere and when I see preferential treatment. I'm always someone who's fought for what I believe in and attempt to speak up for others who don't have a voice. I also like to present viewpoints that no one else has thought of or question the status quo if I see flaws in it. I'm know I'm not everyone's cup of tea but to be called igorant and intolerant throws me because that flatout isn't me, never has been. I've always researched everything before I speak and have always accepted and respected everyone unless they give me a reason not to.

[Harry 26,836]

33 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

I'm using the term "made it" in different ways. I should have just said "became famous." I never said that I had a constant definition for it. I should have made that clearer. Note that I was talking about those rappers in past tense meaning that they aren't around anymore but Macklemore is still around, so obviously I've not put him in the same camp. You can't be sure about who's going to have longterm success anymore anyway. Everyone is on the fence until about album #3.

I'm not complaining about them apologising, I'm complaining about them not having to apologise when they clearly need to. I don't excuse Eminem's faults and they were always the area that made me resent him at times - I'm pleased he apologised and cleared it all up on his latest album and hope he doesn't go back to his old ways. Of course white rappers should apologise but if so, so should black ones. But they don't seem to think they need to. Look what I said to ARTPOPdidntflop - I pointed out those racist statements Nicki said in her raps. Was she called out for it? Did the story make it onto any news outlet? Did she apologise for it? No. The imagery in the Only video did get called out but she never apologised. If a white rapper said those things she did, there would be a riot. This is what I'm talking about. And in the case of Macklemore, he practically apologised for being white just because he won over a black rapper when no black rapper has ever had to apologise for winning over a white rapper. It's ludicrous. Being treated equally doesn't mean you get endless rights and privileges, it means you're held to the same standards. If a white rapper can be called out for racism, so should a black rapper. And vice versa to suit every controversy. Everyone needs to take responsibility for their actions no matter what their race.

Just hang around the general boards and you'll see me being nice. It's just because you're used to seeing the music reviewer side of me as most of the time, I'm posting in the music threads. And I take music very seriously, so of course I can be very steadfast in my opinions. I defended Demi in that thread you posted recently, I'm always fighting for feminism (despite what you seem to think), I even defended people you wouldn't expect, like Kim Kardashian. In my more lighthearted posts, I laughed at a video of a bear breaking a kayak, said how handsome I thought Kanye West was and told embarrassing stories about myself. Thing is, it's through PMs that you really see the true me. That's where my deepest friendships are here and where heart to hearts happen. That's why I encourage anyone who has a problem with me to talk it out in private so they can see the real me behind the person who posts opinions that don't suit everyone's taste. 9 times out of 10,they change their mind about me (apart from like I said before, when 2 people stopped talking to me after I said I liked Iggy's album). I want to get along with everyone. I know it may not seem like that, but I do. I don't have a problem with people disagreeing with what I say, as long as they express it nicely. I have a strong sense of wanting justice in every situation which is why I'm always being so outspoken about talentless artists making it while talented ones can't get anywhere and when I see preferential treatment. I'm always someone who's fought for what I believe in and attempt to speak up for others who don't have a voice. I also like to present viewpoints that no one else has thought of or question the status quo if I see flaws in it. I'm know I'm not everyone's cup of tea but to be called igorant and intolerant throws me because that flatout isn't me, never has been. I've always researched everything before I speak and have always accepted and respected everyone unless they give me a reason not to.

sigh. you will just never get it. the fact you are so desperate to make out that whites are the oppressed victims and blacks are just running riot and not suffering at all is honestly disgusting to me. i'm not surprised you love iggy so much because you have the same s--tty attitude towards these issues that she does.

i know that you think very highly of yourself but i don't see it so i won't be entering your PMs vying for your understanding and friendship like you're suggesting. i'm done here now.

 

[ARTPOPdidntflop 3,987]

6 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said:

I like that you won't even reply to all the things I've said in my reply to you, probably because you can't handle a different opinion or don't have it in you to refute it. I will say this much: if Iggy Azeala said "I'm a racist, I'm a bigot" in one of her raps (as Nicki did in Roman In Moscow") or "them nappy-headed hoes" or "stunt double to the n***a monkey" (as Nicki did in Stupid Hoe) or used Nazi imagery in a lyric video (as Nicki did in Only), all hell would have broken loose. White rappers simply cannot get away with the kind of controversy that black rappers get away with all the time without question. Now, how can you possibly argue with the example I just gave you?

No but Iggy did call herself a Slave Master among other things. But you don't know about that do you

[StrawberryBlond 14,862]

7 hours ago, Harry said:

sigh. you will just never get it. the fact you are so desperate to make out that whites are the oppressed victims and blacks are just running riot and not suffering at all is honestly disgusting to me. i'm not surprised you love iggy so much because you have the same s--tty attitude towards these issues that she does.

i know that you think very highly of yourself but i don't see it so i won't be entering your PMs vying for your understanding and friendship like you're suggesting. i'm done here now.

I never said they're oppressed victims, just that they have disadvantages in certain areas of the music industry. Again, I'm not talking about race issues in general, just within music. And I never said that blacks artists are running riot, just that they seem to get away with stuff that white rappers can't. And I never said they don't suffer, of course they do, but they have a lot of advantages by being black if they make "black music." They'll sell more, be more critically acclaimed, get more awards. But if you're white, even if you're good, you have to overcome a lot of initial judgement for being white and making black music. And Iggy has said several times now that she has no problem with anyone. She even said that she doesn't want beefs with other rappers, which I found so refreshing. When Azealia bashed her on Twitter for not speaking out about black issues and suggesting that the media should stop glorifying her for capitalising on what Nicki started, Iggy responded by saying that...there was more to do to spark change than trolling on social media, that world issues shouldn't be used as an excuse to promote fan battles, that we should petition the government when something is unjust instead of just our Twitter followers and then posted a link for ways that you can help. She's a really nice girl who's misunderstood and always has such classy responses even when she has every right to blow her top. The idea that she's racist comes from unfounded claims and assumptions. The very fact she's a white rapping with a black accent is enough to make people judge but considering that she's lived in the deep south since she was 16, I think their judgement is a bit harsh.

I don't think that highly of myself, I'm talking about what other people are saying about me. Just ask Kacey Elizabeth about how much she used to despise me until she slowly started seeing a point in all my arguments and now we're the best of friends. If you don't want to talk to me through PM's, fine, but please can you keep an open mind about me? I don't like the idea of someone going around thinking that I'm horrible. No one's ever accused me of this as I try to be nice to everyone and I don't like people having false views about me. I hope one day I can make a post that you agree with completely. I just don't know what I can do to please you. Everything I say, you always seem to miss the point and seem intent on disagreeing with me no matter what. I even agreed with you a while back about the lack of diversity in rap but you didn't say a thing about that. So, can you tell me something I could say that you'd agree with? There's must be something.

5 hours ago, ARTPOPdidntflop said:

No but Iggy did call herself a Slave Master among other things. But you don't know about that do you

For your information, that's what I've been talking about with Harry for a while now. I was talking about how Iggy had to apologise for the incident (and rightly so) but for some reason, black rappers who have said racist things on their raps have never apologised. I then gave the examples of racist things Nicki had said in her raps that passed by without question. And you seem to be a fan of Azealia, who has not only been racist to whites, but to Hispanics and Asians too. I don't see you saying anything about that. Tell me, why are you so disgusted by white racists but when you see blacks being racist (most of the time, towards other blacks), you give them a pass? I am stunned that someone who fights against racism so much could possibly support Azealia Banks, who's hated on and stereotyped every race and ethnicity for months now. But you dodge round the issue every time.

[Blueskye 1,087]

*finally made it to the bottom of the page after scrolling past all those quotes, phew*

I think Beyonce is doing just fine, she has a cupboard full of Grammys and doesn't need to be taken any more or less seriously than she already is. When future generations no longer know or care who Madonna is, it'll probably be Beyonce who they compare everyone to and get annoyed when her fans accuse their fave of ripping off Beyonce. 

[Mobster 14,604]

I think Beyonce is not exactly a prime example of black people being underappreciated in the music industry... But Kelly Rowland and Leona Lewis (there are many more) for example have amazing voices and really good music and yet not so many people pay attention to them. At least Bleeding Love was nominated for Record of the Year (and rightfully so) but there's a tendency in the music industry to take black artists with amazing vocals for granted. But when white artists like Sam Smith and Adele have amazing vocals they get praised to heaven (and rightfully so, too, but you know where I'm going)... 

Same with rap... I'm not exactly a fan of rap music, but it's like black rap artists are relegated to a section of their own in the Grammys, but then suddenly Macklemore and Iggy appear and they get nominated for the big jackpot... I mean if you're not going to nominate other rap songs, then don't nominate "Fancy" just cause it was commercially successful.... I guess what I'm trying to say is: be consistent with your criteria

[ARTPOPdidntflop 3,987]

6 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said:

 Azealia Banks, who's hated on and stereotyped every race and ethnicity for months now. But you dodge round the issue every time.

Again you don't have much knowledge. Those tweets are from years ago. I never said Azealia wasn't problematic. 

Maybe if Iggy was actually good i'd support her too, but she sucks. Iggy isn't a good rapper

[StrawberryBlond 14,862]

Just now, ARTPOPdidntflop said:

Again you don't have much knowledge. Those tweets are from years ago. I never said Azealia wasn't problematic. 

Maybe if Iggy was actually good i'd support her too, but she sucks. Iggy isn't a good rapper

Oh, I do have knowledge. Azealia has been making this tweets frequently for a long time. I know because I've commented on most threads made when she releases a new one. I especially remember the one she made just after Christmas last year. I don't know where you've been but she still is saying this stuff all the time. She may be bipolar, but in that case, she shouldn't be on Twitter if she's liable to say racist things that cause a lot of offence. You may not have claimed her to be perfect but by supporting her, you send a very mixed message. If you're so passionate about being a crusader against racism, you shouldn't be so publically championing someone who's known to say racist things. This was actually one of the things that majorly put me off Azealia. I simply cannot abide artists with terrible attitudes that say such hateful things. And I certainly can't support intolerant racists.

Ok, you think Iggy can't rap. A lot of people think the same. I don't get it, personally. What is it specifically about her rapping that you think is bad? If it's her flow, well, her flow's good. If you listen to the second verse of Fancy, Black Widow and We In This B***h, the third verse of Iggy SZN and the whole of Heavy Crown, you can hear how fast and fluid her flow is where you can hear everything she says. And as for her songs in general, I reckon they're very good. Even if you don't like her, I'm sure most rap fans would like Goddess, We In This Bitch and Heavy Crown. Her lyrics are on the same level as every other modern rapper, if not better. She sings about the same stuff most other rappers do - money, fame and s-x. Her lyrics aren't as crass and lazy as some of the current rappers either. She doesn't do those annoying trends of missing out "like a" in a verse or rhyming a word with the same word. I just don't get it - she's doing what a lot of other rappers before her did and they got praised. She's rapping about the same stuff that the best female rappers have. So, what's the deal? I figure it's because she's new (the rap community can be very harsh on newcomers), she's female (barely any females make it in rap or don't last for long), she's Australian and white (self explanatory). I think we're conditioned to believe she's bad. Believe me, I didn't have high hopes for her initially. But I was pleasantly surprised with her album and it continued to grow on me and then her Reclassfied re-release was awesome. It's part of the beauty of being an album reviewer - finding surprises from artists who weren't built up for greatness. I don't judge by what the media tell me, I judge based on what I hear and Iggy is one of the best female rappers I've ever heard. If Iggy was black, she'd be hyped up to high heaven, just like Nicki was, even when she was producing generic pop trash. Iggy is nowhere near as bad as some of the shockingly bad stuff that's been made in rap recently (slurred speech, nonsense rhymes, childish words) but she gets hated on like crazy. It's so superficial and unfair. People just don't listen to music without prejudice anymore.

[ARTPOPdidntflop 3,987]

1 hour ago, StrawberryBlond said:

Oh, I do have knowledge. Azealia has been making this tweets frequently for a long time. I know because I've commented on most threads made when she releases a new one. I especially remember the one she made just after Christmas last year. I don't know where you've been but she still is saying this stuff all the time. She may be bipolar, but in that case, she shouldn't be on Twitter if she's liable to say racist things that cause a lot of offence. You may not have claimed her to be perfect but by supporting her, you send a very mixed message. If you're so passionate about being a crusader against racism, you shouldn't be so publically championing someone who's known to say racist things. This was actually one of the things that majorly put me off Azealia. I simply cannot abide artists with terrible attitudes that say such hateful things. And I certainly can't support intolerant racists.

Ok, you think Iggy can't rap. A lot of people think the same. I don't get it, personally. What is it specifically about her rapping that you think is bad? If it's her flow, well, her flow's good. If you listen to the second verse of Fancy, Black Widow and We In This B***h, the third verse of Iggy SZN and the whole of Heavy Crown, you can hear how fast and fluid her flow is where you can hear everything she says. And as for her songs in general, I reckon they're very good. Even if you don't like her, I'm sure most rap fans would like Goddess, We In This Bitch and Heavy Crown. Her lyrics are on the same level as every other modern rapper, if not better. She sings about the same stuff most other rappers do - money, fame and s-x. Her lyrics aren't as crass and lazy as some of the current rappers either. She doesn't do those annoying trends of missing out "like a" in a verse or rhyming a word with the same word. I just don't get it - she's doing what a lot of other rappers before her did and they got praised. She's rapping about the same stuff that the best female rappers have. So, what's the deal? I figure it's because she's new (the rap community can be very harsh on newcomers), she's female (barely any females make it in rap or don't last for long), she's Australian and white (self explanatory). I think we're conditioned to believe she's bad. Believe me, I didn't have high hopes for her initially. But I was pleasantly surprised with her album and it continued to grow on me and then her Reclassfied re-release was awesome. It's part of the beauty of being an album reviewer - finding surprises from artists who weren't built up for greatness. I don't judge by what the media tell me, I judge based on what I hear and Iggy is one of the best female rappers I've ever heard. If Iggy was black, she'd be hyped up to high heaven, just like Nicki was, even when she was producing generic pop trash. Iggy is nowhere near as bad as some of the shockingly bad stuff that's been made in rap recently (slurred speech, nonsense rhymes, childish words) but she gets hated on like crazy. It's so superficial and unfair. People just don't listen to music without prejudice anymore.

Why do you write so much? 

Again with you making wild statements, please send me something racist she's said within the past 2 years. Thank you, if you can't then please stop talking about it.

And yes I do think Iggy is a bad rapper, she can't freestyle, her lyrics are b.a.d. , Iggy is T.I's little project he writes half her songs. And her album reclassified is trash. She's not good except for her feature songs which are written to appeal to the masses.

You know she did Pop before she did Rap, but then chose Rap because she flopped doing pop? yeah....

 

I'm done arguing with you, you keep bringing up this "It's because Iggy's white/australian " and it's incredibly annoying omg. You can't bring up a point on ZERO basis. You have no proof of anything, you just keep saying it as if it's valid when it isn't.

 

If iggy was black she would be even less famous than she is now. It's insulting you compare Iggy to Nicki. Not regarding color Nicki is a rapper 100000x better than Iggy. Anyone with good rap knowledge knows that

 

People who listen to rap don't listen to iggy because she ISN'T GOOD.