Would Beyonce be taken more seriously if she was white?

[ARTPOPdidntflop 3,987]

6 minutes ago, Harry said:

But honestly the only reason white people do have a harder time breaking into rap is because most of them do it as a kind of fetishised novelty (i.e. Iggy, Vanilla Ice). Not to mention Iggy's previous racist remarks on Twitter. When white rappers come through and do it genuinely (i.e. Eminem, Macklemore, Logic, Action Bronson, Yelawolf, Mac Miller blahblahblah...), people listen.

Also her accusing me of being s-xist and not liking "confident women" was a laugh as she was complaining about how whites have to tread on egg shells, "living in fear" of being accused of racism, then all of a sudden out of the blue I'm accused of being s-xist lol

Sooo true about the fetisisation... there are so many white rappers that get taken seriously

 

This thread makes me wanna go to bed. I don't know where she's getting this idea of how hard white people have it, it's exhausting that I don't know how to argue against something that doesn't exist... :giveup:

 

[Johan 9]

I think Beyonce is as respected as she is because she is a female black artist and she has an amazing talent and voice. Many people might think she's overrated and not good, but when you see, she's at one of the highest pedistals in the entertainment industry, having millions of fans follow and love her even without any recent music. If she were white, she'd just be another amazing white singer with a great voice (ex: Christina, Gaga, Adele). Name popular black singers with great voices and talent: Beyonce... that's pretty much it. Rihanna is more R&B, but she's also amazing, don't get me wrong. Leona Lewis is ok, but she's not popular. Nicki Minaj isn't really a singer at all, more of a rapper. There's really no other great colored singer besides Queen Bey and It's nice to have a variety of talent tbh not just white, white, white, and white talent.

[Princess Die 1,864]

Isn't she white tho?

[MJHolland 12,725]

On November 4, 2015 at 3:00:07 AM, ARTPOPdidntflop said:

I didn't mean that they weren't successful, I mean I feel like they get pushed down and to the side when they have a higher skill set but receive less praise for it than other white artists.

Like most of the artists you listed get dragged a lot e.g. Beyonce, Kanye, Drake, Nicki, 

If anything we criticize white female artists the most. When Gaga talks about being artistic, she's called pretentious. When Kanye West does it, he's called a genius. Iggy performs one concert and she's made into a joke and if she doesn't wear makeup she's made into a viral meme, yet Nicki Minaj makes fun of a disabled person and Azalea Banks attacks someone and uses homophobic slurs every other day yet those stories aren't even picked up by a single major news source.

So to answer the OP's question, probably not. 

[ARTPOPdidntflop 3,987]

2 hours ago, MJHolland said:

If anything we criticize white female artists the most. When Gaga talks about being artistic, she's called pretentious. When Kanye West does it, he's called a genius. Iggy performs one concert and she's made into a joke and if she doesn't wear makeup she's made into a viral meme, yet Nicki Minaj makes fun of a disabled person and Azalea Banks attacks someone and uses homophobic slurs every other day yet those stories aren't even picked up by a single major news source.

So to answer the OP's question, probably not. 

Where have u been, I see Kanye get called more up him self and pretentious 1000x more than gaga. 

Also what Nicki said was all over the news and Azealia banks does get put all over the internet when she does something wrong. I dont know what else to say apart from what you said isn't true?

[Hurem 17,800]

Is she not taken serious right now? She's one of the most successful (female) artists at the moment, there is absolutely NO discrimination towards her.

[uo111 5,261]

Beyonce is basically a white women, let's be honest.

The main reason people hate Beyonce is because of her fanbase (just like Gaga). People hate her because her fanbase (most of which are bandwagoners who drop her once she falls off the charts) acts like she is the second coming but she just isn't that interesting really (I guess you could say the same thing about Gaga, but people have different tastes which the fanatical fans can't wrap their head around).

Some people do hate her because they are racist. But all the racists listen to country music so they don't hurt or hinder Bey in any way. 

[MJHolland 12,725]

3 hours ago, ARTPOPdidntflop said:

Where have u been, I see Kanye get called more up him self and pretentious 1000x more than gaga. 

Also what Nicki said was all over the news and Azealia banks does get put all over the internet when she does something wrong. I dont know what else to say apart from what you said isn't true?

Kanye made an album calling himself Jesus and it was a huge critical and commercial success. Wth are you talking about Kanye get's it worse?

And it wasn't all over the news. I read the news. FYI TMZ isn't news, it's a tabloid. Idk what else to say other than this thread is trying to use race as an excuse and racism as a scapegoat?

[StrawberryBlond 14,862]

Just now, Harry said:

It's the same thing only whites have succeeded more in rap than blacks have in country and that's a damn fact and you're plain stupid if you can't acknowledge that. And you're treating it so casually. "Yes, they do. Yes, blah blah. Yes, it's racist. Yes, it's bad." And then you launch into this passionate speech about how disgusting it is that whites are treated unfairly.

I don't think you're racist I just think you're ignorant and have old-fashioned views.

"...because as a white person, I know what it's like to live with the fear that it's you're going to be accused of it one day. Like now." yes, it sucks for us white folk, doesn't it? Such hardships! I hate living in fear that someone might verbally challenge us! God forbid.

You're crying over what white people don't have. Simple. "I just question why they don't get the respect they deserve when they're good when black artists don't struggle at all" Who? Give me some examples of good white artists that don't get the respect they deserve.

Please shut up with that s-xism accusation. How ridiculously absurd of you to go there. But then again, I'm not surprised. This isn't about gender so don't even go there. Your stupidity and ignorance isn't something mutually exclusive with your s-x. I find it hilarious that you would say that when you were dragging certain women down for how they choose to present themselves whilst I was actively defending and celebrating them, but that's another matter.

Just because there are more that have succeeded doesn't mean that it's automatically easy. and whites "succeeding" in rap music is extremely limited - they usually get one hit tops. The problem is you're only seeing blacks being treated unfairly, you don't seem to grasp that any other race could. You don't even bring up Asians. Now that really is an underrepresented race in Western music.

Oh, so I'm not racist now? That's not what you said earlier. I really don't have old fashioned views when it comes to race - I've got some of the most open-minded, actually.

There's different kinds of fear. But it is a legitimate one. Like I said, whites have been dragged up to court over a simple racism accusation that was never looked into properly. And then your reputation's damaged and people are less likely to believe that a white person is innocent of racism.

Good white rap artists, I'm talking about. Though there might be other urban ones that don't get much attention either. Well, seeing as you're from the UK, I'll give the example of Plan B. I think he's the second best white rapper after Eminem. Got critical praise, very little commercial success apart from when he made that mainstream soul album to get sales. And he's certainly never made it in the US. He's one of the few rappers around today who's still making decent music. In America, there's so many terrible black rappers around right now - Wiz Khalifa, Big Sean, Future, Fetty Wap, etc. But they sell well and the critics praise them. I don't get it at all because there's nothing there that the critics could like - they have no flow, they slur their words in the most irritating way, sing nothing but superficial stuff and have that stupid lighting up weed sound effect at the start of every song. One of these things wouldn't be bad on their own but they have it all! Rap is suffering because of people like them. Meanwhile, genuinely good ones can't even make the public care. But if we're talking about white artists struggling to make it in general, well, I've got a list as long as my arm. Right now, black artists are some of the bestselling and highest charting but white ones ae flopping everywhere you look.

It's just that it kinda ties into what I said earlier about black women being allowed to be confident and they get praised for it, but people don't like it when a white woman is confident. It's always suggested that she thinks too highly of herself, that she's somehow undeserving to be so sure of herself. This is what you've done to me for some time now.

Just now, Harry said:

"Her music is on the same level as most other current rappers right now." where? She's on the same level as Pitbull and Flo Rida in the eyes of most. You aren't very knowledgeable in this particular field it seems. Eminem, Mac Miller, the Beastie Boys, Logic, Yelawolf... These are a few white rappers who are taken seriously. They aren't comparable to Iggy, Vanilla Ice, Riff Raff... Her music not being taken seriously isn't because she's white, it's because she's trash. Although her personal missteps when it comes to addressing race issues hasn't helped, I'll give you that.

In the eyes of most, maybe, but not me. Pitbull and Flo Rida are a shambles. Iggy has a good flow, I'm not the first to say this. Her songs actually remind me of some of the old rap in some ways. Even Ice Cube said she was good, or at least her tracks were. I am much more knowledgable than you think. Ironically, I'm not all that in the know about white rappers. Unless they're put right in front of me, I won't know them. They're not promoted like black rappers are. I don't think she's handled race issues all that badly. She claims that those tweets were photoshopped (something I never considered beforehand, I admit). The whole "slave master" line was the most problematic but here's the thing - rap music is about controversy and saying shocking things. We don't bat an eyelid at most racist stuff said in raps (and it happens - Nicki's done it and no one speaks about it) and yet, as soon as a white girl does it, it's suddenly going too far and something she has to apologise for. I think she should have apologised for it, but if she had to, so should anyone else who's ever said racist things in raps.

Just now, ARTPOPdidntflop said:

You're so distanced from reality that I can't help you.......

I stopped here, i'm done trying to argue with you. You are making up false statements and it's tiring. "Iggy got dragged for being white" "Iggy gets demonised for being white" "Only white female rapper to make it big" "So many black artists are worse than her"

Stop saying "Black artists aren't good that have made it big" LIKE WHO, actually back up your statements with content then I might take you seriously, but all of what you say is so vague and you don't give any examples, facts, anything

 

 

You have no grasp of what minorities have to deal with and your entire world view is limited. What you're saying is actually so outrageous it's not even cohorent.

"There's advantages to being disadvantaged" "Self belief is the first step in achieving your dreams" What the hell, you really think it's that easy. You should educate yourself because you come off as extremely ignorant of other minorities issues

You've never seen iggy get dragged for being a white rapper, seriously? You don't see her getting treated differently to black female rappers (they get treated with respect by all, she doesn't?) Just go to any comment section in an article about her to see the biggest spew of hatred because she dares to be a white person rapping. It's not enough to just read what I say, you have to go off and research it to see what I'm talking about. For the record, I once talked to a black member of GGD about race issues in music through PMs. We got along just fine until I mentioned that I liked Iggy's album. He stopped replying to me and never spoke to me again. He's been around the boards since, so I know he's still here. But he's never responded to me since. There was another black member who did exactly the same thing. I don't know if it was me or her but it kinda hurt me either way.

I gave examples of bad black rappers who have made it in my response to Harry. I gave the examples of Wiz Khalifa, Big Sean, Future and Fetty Wap (I'm sure there's more, but they're the first names I came up with and there's a lot of mediocre ones too). They can't flow, have the worst enuciation, the worst lyrics, every song is about the same superficial stuff...but critics give their albums good reviews and they've got fans. If they were white, they'd be called out for being trash. Meanwhile, there's good white rappers out there who don't get the critical praise, or in the case of Plan B, can't even get famous outside their own country (that's another way rap is segregated, we're conditioned to believe the good stuff can only come from the States, partly why Iggy struggles).

I do have an idea of what minorites have to deal with but we're not talking in general, we're talking about music alone. Which is a different playing field.

Well, seeing as I once heard a half blind girl say that she thinks there's advantages to only seeing out of one eye (only paying for one contact lens, turning to her left so she doesn't need to see a person she doesn't like), then I think anyone can find a silver lining to their situation. You'll never get anywhere if you think you'll be a victim forever. It's all about working out how you can make change. And I never said it would be easy. But if you put the limits on yourself, you can't blame anyone else for not getting anywhere. Maybe if you try, you realise the world isn't as cruel as you think. Nothing good ever came out of being sedantary.

Just now, ARTPOPdidntflop said:

It's actually so funny how she expects us to take her seriously but I can tell she has ZERO knowledge on rap and black artists and she's trying to act like she's educating us about how hard white people have it in the rap industry and all she talks about is Iggy..... 

Where have I proved that I have zero knowledge about rap? Just because I haven't been able to show off my knowledge. If this was an thread discussing our favourite rap albums and our songs from them and our favourite rappers, it would be a different story. And I'm talking about Iggy because she's the most obvious example that everyone knows about and is a good reference point. I'm not going to defend many other white rappers because I don't think they're as good. I'm 100% positive that Iggy would be considered brilliant if she were black. If Nicki can get respect from the rap community for the trash that was Anaconda, I don't think the bar is set very high, for females anyway.

Just now, Harry said:

It's because she's the only example. There's no other white women who have really become noteworthy to compare her to, so she seems like a good argument. But honestly the only reason white people do have a harder time breaking into rap is because most of them do it as a kind of fetishised novelty (i.e. Iggy, Vanilla Ice). Not to mention Iggy's previous racist remarks on Twitter. When white rappers come through and do it genuinely (i.e. Eminem, Macklemore, Logic, Action Bronson, Yelawolf, Mac Miller blahblahblah...), people listen.

The more interesting conversation to be had about inclusion and diversity in rap is how females are treated, and - god forbid - LGBT rappers. There's so many female rappers, even the 'classic' ones, and so few ever broke out as legitimate crossover superstars, whereas there are plenty of males.

Also her accusing me of being s-xist and not liking "confident women" was a laugh as she was complaining about how whites have to tread on egg shells, "living in fear" of being accused of racism, then all of a sudden out of the blue I'm accused of being s-xist lol

Of course she's a good argument, for the very reason you said. There is literally no other female rapper who's made it like she has until now. Lady Sovereign or Kreayshawn never made it. I totally get what you mean about how some whites do rap as a kind of fetishised novelty but I really don't think Iggy is one. I said to you before that her tweets were photoshopped. And yeah, some of those white rappers may have broken out (though I've never heard of Logic or Action Bronson) but most of them haven't "made it." Eminem's the only white male rapper who's actually got anywhere in the long run. Macklemore's probably going to be a two hit wonder, which is a shame as he is good. He may get more respect than some but he was still bashed for taking the award that Kendrick should've won at the Grammys (never would have happened if it was won by someone black, it was all race related). I thought his album was better than Kendrick's (I don't get the hype over Kendrick, so sue me). But apparently no one else thought so. Shame he felt the need to agree with the public about his own work that he had worked so hard on (again, a black rapper would never have done that). I think making someone feel they have to apologise for their race, explictly or not, is deplorable.

But you're very right about the other lack of diversity in rap. I definitely think s-xism is a major issue. I've spoken before about female rappers never being taken as seriously as males in interviews, all they get asked about is their relationships and s-x and twerking and so on, it's so offensive. Very few black women ever made it either, other than Kim and Missy (my 2 biggest favourite females). And of course, there is a lot of homophobia in the rap community and that needs to be fixed, which is why I praise artists like Macklemore for addressing it in his music and I'd like Eminem a lot more if he dropped all his homophobic lines for good instead of going back to his old ways occasionally. But I don't call these issues "more interesting." I think the racial thing is still the biggest obstacle. You don't even see Hispanic or Asian rappers (though the rap community will always accept them before whites, anything but whites, even though Hispanics are technically white). I feel Iggy has to deal with a triple whammy of judgement - being white, being Australian, being female. That's partly why I have respect for her - it must have taken some guts to fly in the face of all those BS stereotypes and just follow her dreams. But she's never been praised for making it in a genre where the odds are stacked against her.

I accused you of s-xism since it seemed pretty apt after all the things you've said to be before. There's always this sense of being so blown away that I could actually have confidence in my opinions that I've seen from too many men before.

[Harry 26,836]

13 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

Just because there are more that have succeeded doesn't mean that it's automatically easy. and whites "succeeding" in rap music is extremely limited - they usually get one hit tops. The problem is you're only seeing blacks being treated unfairly, you don't seem to grasp that any other race could. You don't even bring up Asians. Now that really is an underrepresented race in Western music.

Oh, so I'm not racist now? That's not what you said earlier. I really don't have old fashioned views when it comes to race - I've got some of the most open-minded, actually.

There's different kinds of fear. But it is a legitimate one. Like I said, whites have been dragged up to court over a simple racism accusation that was never looked into properly. And then your reputation's damaged and people are less likely to believe that a white person is innocent of racism.

Good white rap artists, I'm talking about. Though there might be other urban ones that don't get much attention either. Well, seeing as you're from the UK, I'll give the example of Plan B. I think he's the second best white rapper after Eminem. Got critical praise, very little commercial success apart from when he made that mainstream soul album to get sales. And he's certainly never made it in the US. He's one of the few rappers around today who's still making decent music. In America, there's so many terrible black rappers around right now - Wiz Khalifa, Big Sean, Future, Fetty Wap, etc. But they sell well and the critics praise them. I don't get it at all because there's nothing there that the critics could like - they have no flow, they slur their words in the most irritating way, sing nothing but superficial stuff and have that stupid lighting up weed sound effect at the start of every song. One of these things wouldn't be bad on their own but they have it all! Rap is suffering because of people like them. Meanwhile, genuinely good ones can't even make the public care. But if we're talking about white artists struggling to make it in general, well, I've got a list as long as my arm. Right now, black artists are some of the bestselling and highest charting but white ones ae flopping everywhere you look.

It's just that it kinda ties into what I said earlier about black women being allowed to be confident and they get praised for it, but people don't like it when a white woman is confident. It's always suggested that she thinks too highly of herself, that she's somehow undeserving to be so sure of herself. This is what you've done to me for some time now.

In the eyes of most, maybe, but not me. Pitbull and Flo Rida are a shambles. Iggy has a good flow, I'm not the first to say this. Her songs actually remind me of some of the old rap in some ways. Even Ice Cube said she was good, or at least her tracks were. I am much more knowledgable than you think. Ironically, I'm not all that in the know about white rappers. Unless they're put right in front of me, I won't know them. They're not promoted like black rappers are. I don't think she's handled race issues all that badly. She claims that those tweets were photoshopped (something I never considered beforehand, I admit). The whole "slave master" line was the most problematic but here's the thing - rap music is about controversy and saying shocking things. We don't bat an eyelid at most racist stuff said in raps (and it happens - Nicki's done it and no one speaks about it) and yet, as soon as a white girl does it, it's suddenly going too far and something she has to apologise for. I think she should have apologised for it, but if she had to, so should anyone else who's ever said racist things in raps.

You've never seen iggy get dragged for being a white rapper, seriously? You don't see her getting treated differently to black female rappers (they get treated with respect by all, she doesn't?) Just go to any comment section in an article about her to see the biggest spew of hatred because she dares to be a white person rapping. It's not enough to just read what I say, you have to go off and research it to see what I'm talking about. For the record, I once talked to a black member of GGD about race issues in music through PMs. We got along just fine until I mentioned that I liked Iggy's album. He stopped replying to me and never spoke to me again. He's been around the boards since, so I know he's still here. But he's never responded to me since. There was another black member who did exactly the same thing. I don't know if it was me or her but it kinda hurt me either way.

I gave examples of bad black rappers who have made it in my response to Harry. I gave the examples of Wiz Khalifa, Big Sean, Future and Fetty Wap (I'm sure there's more, but they're the first names I came up with and there's a lot of mediocre ones too). They can't flow, have the worst enuciation, the worst lyrics, every song is about the same superficial stuff...but critics give their albums good reviews and they've got fans. If they were white, they'd be called out for being trash. Meanwhile, there's good white rappers out there who don't get the critical praise, or in the case of Plan B, can't even get famous outside their own country (that's another way rap is segregated, we're conditioned to believe the good stuff can only come from the States, partly why Iggy struggles).

I do have an idea of what minorites have to deal with but we're not talking in general, we're talking about music alone. Which is a different playing field.

Well, seeing as I once heard a half blind girl say that she thinks there's advantages to only seeing out of one eye (only paying for one contact lens, turning to her left so she doesn't need to see a person she doesn't like), then I think anyone can find a silver lining to their situation. You'll never get anywhere if you think you'll be a victim forever. It's all about working out how you can make change. And I never said it would be easy. But if you put the limits on yourself, you can't blame anyone else for not getting anywhere. Maybe if you try, you realise the world isn't as cruel as you think. Nothing good ever came out of being sedantary.

Where have I proved that I have zero knowledge about rap? Just because I haven't been able to show off my knowledge. If this was an thread discussing our favourite rap albums and our songs from them and our favourite rappers, it would be a different story. And I'm talking about Iggy because she's the most obvious example that everyone knows about and is a good reference point. I'm not going to defend many other white rappers because I don't think they're as good. I'm 100% positive that Iggy would be considered brilliant if she were black. If Nicki can get respect from the rap community for the trash that was Anaconda, I don't think the bar is set very high, for females anyway.

Of course she's a good argument, for the very reason you said. There is literally no other female rapper who's made it like she has until now. Lady Sovereign or Kreayshawn never made it. I totally get what you mean about how some whites do rap as a kind of fetishised novelty but I really don't think Iggy is one. I said to you before that her tweets were photoshopped. And yeah, some of those white rappers may have broken out (though I've never heard of Logic or Action Bronson) but most of them haven't "made it." Eminem's the only white male rapper who's actually got anywhere in the long run. Macklemore's probably going to be a two hit wonder, which is a shame as he is good. He may get more respect than some but he was still bashed for taking the award that Kendrick should've won at the Grammys (never would have happened if it was won by someone black, it was all race related). I thought his album was better than Kendrick's (I don't get the hype over Kendrick, so sue me). But apparently no one else thought so. Shame he felt the need to agree with the public about his own work that he had worked so hard on (again, a black rapper would never have done that). I think making someone feel they have to apologise for their race, explictly or not, is deplorable.

But you're very right about the other lack of diversity in rap. I definitely think s-xism is a major issue. I've spoken before about female rappers never being taken as seriously as males in interviews, all they get asked about is their relationships and s-x and twerking and so on, it's so offensive. Very few black women ever made it either, other than Kim and Missy (my 2 biggest favourite females). And of course, there is a lot of homophobia in the rap community and that needs to be fixed, which is why I praise artists like Macklemore for addressing it in his music and I'd like Eminem a lot more if he dropped all his homophobic lines for good instead of going back to his old ways occasionally. But I don't call these issues "more interesting." I think the racial thing is still the biggest obstacle. You don't even see Hispanic or Asian rappers (though the rap community will always accept them before whites, anything but whites, even though Hispanics are technically white). I feel Iggy has to deal with a triple whammy of judgement - being white, being Australian, being female. That's partly why I have respect for her - it must have taken some guts to fly in the face of all those BS stereotypes and just follow her dreams. But she's never been praised for making it in a genre where the odds are stacked against her.

I accused you of s-xism since it seemed pretty apt after all the things you've said to be before. There's always this sense of being so blown away that I could actually have confidence in my opinions that I've seen from too many men before.

So Iggy "made it" but Macklemore didn't? Please. You honestly don't know what you're talking about.

"Where have I proved that I have zero knowledge about rap?"

"I've never heard of Logic or Action Bronson"

Not zero necessarily but you're certainly less informed that you like to think you are. You have said that there are great white rappers out there that don't get attention but then you say yourself that you don't know much about any, even when I put two in front of your face! You're full of it.

And sorry you lost all credibility for me in this argument by accusing me of being s-xist when I haven't once made any reference to gender. You think of people in their groups too much and then think you can dictate their thoughts based on that, even though you "don't see race" etc. Just because I have a lot of criticisms towards your arguments in this discussion and think you are ignorant, it does not make me s-xist. What a pathetic, irrelevant and baseless jab at my character. Not even going to respond to the rest of your post if you're going to be as immature to stoop that low.

[Harry 26,836]

19 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

It's just that it kinda ties into what I said earlier about black women being allowed to be confident and they get praised for it, but people don't like it when a white woman is confident. It's always suggested that she thinks too highly of herself, that she's somehow undeserving to be so sure of herself. This is what you've done to me for some time now.

Oh like when you were ripping on women who feel confident with a face of make-up? When you criticised Kim Kardashian for being so out there and confident? If you're going to pull accusations out of your ass at least don't be guilty of them yourself.

[StrawberryBlond 14,862]

Just now, Harry said:

So Iggy "made it" but Macklemore didn't? Please. You honestly don't know what you're talking about.

"Where have I proved that I have zero knowledge about rap?"

"I've never heard of Logic or Action Bronson"

Not zero necessarily but you're certainly less informed that you like to think you are. You have said that there are great white rappers out there that don't get attention but then you say yourself that you don't know much about any, even when I put two in front of your face! You're full of it.

And sorry you lost all credibility for me in this argument by accusing me of being s-xist when I haven't once made any reference to gender. You think of people in their groups too much and then think you can dictate their thoughts based on that, even though you "don't see race" etc. Just because I have a lot of criticisms towards your arguments in this discussion and think you are ignorant, it does not make me s-xist. What a pathetic, irrelevant and baseless jab at my character. Not even going to respond to the rest of your post if you're going to be as immature to stoop that low.

Iggy may have "made it" for the moment. But in the long run is doubtful. Just like I said Macklemore may have made it at the moment but the long run is doubtful as he's still in two hit wonder territory. I also feel like Iggy is talked about more than Macklemore and more people know her name.

I admitted I have areas of higher knowledge but not so on other fronts. I do look into indie stuff but only so far. The name still has to come out at me and I've never heard of those names. I don't think that necessarily reflects badly on me or means I have no knowledge. When I said good white rappers, I was also meaning in general, the ones who just do it in their spare time as well.

Well, I'm sorry if I took things a bit too far. It's just I'm so used to someone shooting me down when I've found confidence in myself. And I've witnessed and experienced men's arguments being taken so much more seriously then women's (sometimes when they even the same ones, just put down differently), so it always makes me wonder if people would regard my opinion differently if I were a man. I apologise if I overstepped the mark a bit. But understand how much you hurt me too when you made baseless jabs at my character.

Just now, Harry said:

Oh like when you were ripping on women who feel confident with a face of make-up? When you criticised Kim Kardashian for being so out there and confident? If you're going to pull accusations out of your ass at least don't be guilty of them yourself.

I did that out of compassion. Getting confidence from make up will make you less confident in the long run as there's no true happiness in faking it. And I like Kim, Ive admitted this (she has her faults, but isn't that bad). I don't know what you're talking about - I've never ripped on her, ever. And this was all about getting confident about your looks through make up. I'm just talking about confidence in general here.

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1 hour ago, StrawberryBlond said:

I don't know how the quote function is still not working properly on this site but whatever

I didn't baselessly jab you at all. Anything I accused you of was relevant to the discussion and based what you had said in regards to that topic. You brought up something completely irrelevant in order to make me look smaller, my opinion less important. And that has made me lose respect for you and doubt your credibility further. I'm now done with this.

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26 minutes ago, Harry said:

1 hour ago, StrawberryBlond said:

I don't know how the quote function is still not working properly on this site but whatever

I didn't baselessly jab you at all. Anything I accused you of was relevant to the discussion and based what you had said in regards to that topic. You brought up something completely irrelevant in order to make me look smaller, my opinion less important. And that has made me lose respect for you and doubt your credibility further. I'm now done with this.

She's not gonna stop arguing that white rappers get hated on because they're white lol 

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