Would Beyonce be taken more seriously if she was white?

[HANZ 4,380]

lies actually she would be taked as seriously as she is right now, a white girl doing the same thing even with the same talent as her would be called slut by the media, meanwhile beyonce is treated as the second coming of jesus

[Harry 26,836]

I have a lot of respect for Beyonce. I guess you missed the thread where I stood up for against the Adele stans. . http://gagadaily.com/topic/166971-adele-wants-to-collab-with-beyonce/?page=4

The way you throw around words like "racial intolerance" and "white arrogence" on very little basis proves Strawberry Blonde's point perfectly.

Way to avoid any of my actual points as always

[craig 680]

Way to avoid any of my actual points as always

You didn't express them well.

"If you think that Rihanna is as respected and acclaimed as Beyonce is then you're clearly more out of touch with pop culture than even I thought. This is just another example of your racial intolerance and misogyny."

- How the hell can it be racist or s-xist to take a side on Rihanna vs Beyonce???

"Why is it so hard for you to believe that a black woman is successful and appealing for her talents?"

- So I showed that I think Beyonce is talented - and have defended her talents vs Adele. Surely you've not so naive that you think success or respect is purely a function of talent? Celine Dion is a great vocalist but got dissed a lot. Gaga is a great live performer but struggled for the respect she deserved.

[Harry 26,836]

You didn't express them well.

"If you think that Rihanna is as respected and acclaimed as Beyonce is then you're clearly more out of touch with pop culture than even I thought. This is just another example of your racial intolerance and misogyny."

- How the hell can it be racist or s-xist to take a side on Rihanna vs Beyonce???

"Why is it so hard for you to believe that a black woman is successful and appealing for her talents?"

- So I showed that I think Beyonce is talented - and have defended her talents vs Adele. Surely you've not so naive that you think success or respect is purely a function of talent? Celine Dion is a great vocalist but got dissed a lot. Gaga is a great live performer but struggled for the respect she deserved.

You're saying two different things... You think Bey is great but you also think she's only respected/awarded for that due to her race? There's that part of you that isn't willing to look at her just as a human/artist rather than a black female lol. Beyonce is an anomaly, regardless of race, gender or even musical genre... Everyone seems to love her but that's clearly not a rule for all black artists or even artists in general. So I'm failing to see your point.

[craig 680]

You're saying two different things... You think Bey is great but you also think she's ONLY respected/awarded for that due to her race? 

The word ONLY is your problem. I just said her race was more an asset than a liability in being respected and awarded by left/liberal critics and commentators.

It's like, yes, the gender of The Beatles was an asset in them being respected in the 1960's, but that doesn't mean they weren't great songwriters and talents, or that they owe their success to being male.

"Beyonce is an anomaly... " - not completely, Kanye benefits from the same thing. 

[Jesse Pinkman 4,660]

Am I the only one who thinks that people treat black artists pretty fairly in the music industry? I see many successful black artists, I don't think there's much discrimination towards them.

Beyonce, Kendrick Lamar, Nicki Minaj, Rihanna, Drake, Kanye West...

Half those people on your list are not even fully "black" and many of them gaines success when pandeirng towards white audiences. If you notice, when Bey stopped making pop music she didn't sell as much as she did before. There are tons of artists who make actualy "black" music and aren't nearly successful. It has to do with a bit of discrimination, and the fact that many black consumers don't support their music. But that's a whole other discussion. Anyway, black music is definitely not popular or as appreciated as it should be. Until it's done by white artists (see Adele, Sam Smith, Miley Cyrus, etc.), I'm not hating on them, I'm just calling a spade a spade. Kendrick Lamar is about the only one out that list who didn't have to pander to radio in order to gain success. 

As far as Bey goes, she is marekting gold. Has been since her debut. She already had the following from Destiny's Child, and during her debut black music was more appreciated than it is now. Urban/R&B were the equivalent to pop music today. WIth The mix of her incredible talent and marekting genius, she was able to establish herself as a superstar.

[Harry 26,836]

The word ONLY is your problem. I just said her race was more an asset than a liability in being respected and awarded by left/liberal critics and commentators.

It's like, yes, the gender of The Beatles was an asset in them being respected in the 1960's, but that doesn't mean they weren't great songwriters and talents, or that they owe their success to being male.

"Beyonce is an anomaly... " - not completely, Kanye benefits from the same thing. 

Now I know you're joking. Kanye may be very critically acclaimed but he's hated by the majority of the public, many of whom still think he's a trash rapper

But once again... you think he's only got huge acclaim and respect because he's black when actually he's just a fantastic talent. Are you going to give me a list of black artists that are critically praised and tell me that all of them achieved that because they're black? Why can't you let artists enjoy their achievements without spinning it in a way that makes them sound less deserving?

[Jesse Pinkman 4,660]

Beyonce gets more respect and more awards because she's black. Most music critics are liberal or progressive, who are afraid they'll be called racist if they trash a black icon. They are much less inhibited about trashing Katy or Gaga.

Being black puts her in the less competitive R&B category, but if Bey was white she'd be in pop category at Grammies (see Adele). Thus it's been much easier for her to win than pure pop acts like Madonna and Katy

On the other hand, she'd probably sell more to white girls in Middle America if she was white, and Bill O'Reilly wouldn't have been as nasty about her being s-xual.. 

Nah. Beyonce gets more respect and awards because she's the best in the game. Look black  at artists who have came and gone like Ashanti, Aaliyah, Ciara, Brandy etc. Beyonce outlasted them ALL through immense talent and hard work. Plus incredible marketing. She had to actually work twice as hard because she's black. Your point about her being in R&B categories contradicts your original statement. If she were so respected because she's black then they would've through her AOTY by now. I don't think her being black is why critics are scared to bash her, I just think she has amazing talent and makes damn good music.

Katy and Gaga are easier to bash because they make pop music. 

And let's be honest, the BeyHive has a lot to do with why people aren't really sharing their honest opinions about Bey.  

[Harry 26,836]

Nah. Beyonce gets more respect and awards because she's the best in the game. Look black  at artists who have came and gone like Ashanti, Aaliyah, Ciara, Brandy etc. Beyonce outlasted them ALL through immense talent and hard work. Plus incredible marketing. She had to actually work twice as hard because she's black. Your point about her being in R&B categories contradicts your original statement. If she were so respected because she's black then they would've through her AOTY by now. I don't think her being black is why critics are scared to bash her, I just think she has amazing talent and makes damn good music.

Katy and Gaga are easier to bash because they make pop music. 

And let's be honest, the BeyHive has a lot to do with why people aren't really sharing their honest opinions about Bey.  

Indeed

Not to mention that up until her last album, her Metacritic scores were fairly average with her highest score being 73.

[Jesse Pinkman 4,660]

Nah. Beyonce gets more respect and awards because she's the best in the game. Look black  at artists who have came and gone like Ashanti, Aaliyah, Ciara, Brandy etc. Beyonce outlasted them ALL through immense talent and hard work. Plus incredible marketing. She had to actually work twice as hard because she's black. Your point about her being in R&B categories contradicts your original statement. If she were so respected because she's black then they would've through her AOTY by now. I don't think her being black is why critics are scared to bash her, I just think she has amazing talent and makes damn good music.

Katy and Gaga are easier to bash because they make pop music. 

And let's be honest, the BeyHive has a lot to do with why people aren't really sharing their honest opinions about Bey.  

*Thrown. Idk why I can't edit my posts and its bothering me. :akwney: 

 

[craig 680]

Now I know you're joking. Kanye may be very critically acclaimed but he's hated by the majority of the public, many of whom still think he's a trash rapper

But once again... you think he's only got huge acclaim and respect because he's black when actually he's just a fantastic talent. Are you going to give me a list of black artists that are critically praised and tell me that all of them achieved that because they're black?

There you go again with your "only" and your straw man argument.

Kanye is extremely talented and creative, but he gets an extra push from people like you who want to show how hip and progressive they are (much easier to do it by praising Bey and Kanye to the skies than trying to help the economic condition of poor black people) . I've seen articles implying that anyone who would prefer a rocker at Glasto or dislikes Kanye's attitude is just a racist,  because Kanye is a genius and voice of our generation! That's what i'm reacting too.

 

[Harry 26,836]

There you go again with your "only" and your straw man argument.

Kanye is extremely talented and creative, but he gets an extra push from people like you who want to show how hip and progressive they are (much easier to do it by praising Bey and Kanye to the skies than trying to help the economic condition of poor black people) . I've seen articles implying that anyone who would prefer a rocker at Glasto or dislikes Kanye's attitude is just a racist,  because Kanye is a genius and voice of our generation! That's what i'm reacting too.

 

I love how ignorants like you claim to have an insight into the inner workings of people's minds.

Where is your evidence that I "push" Kanye because he's black and I want to be hip? What about all the white artists that I love and admire?

You're literally downplaying the honest achievements of artists as in-genuine just because they're black. How can you not see the problematic nature of that? I'm starting to really believe that you're not just ignorant but a straight up racist.

"lol they can't love that guy that much, he is black for crying out loud!"

[holy scheisse 22,260]

is Beyonce not taken seriously.....?

[craig 680]

You're literally downplaying the honest achievements of artists as in-genuine because they're black. How can you not see the problematic nature of that?

Isn't that inevitable with this topic? If you insist that blacks MUST have it harder in music in every way, regardless of how much they dominate or win awards, aren't you downplaying the honest achievement of artists who aren't black?

[Harry 26,836]

Isn't that inevitable with this topic? If you insist that blacks MUST have it harder in music in every way, regardless of how much they dominate or win awards, aren't you downplaying the honest achievement of artists who aren't black?

When did I insist that?

Comprehension craig