Why all of a sudden?

[McMonster08 4,528]

Bling not the music

[Warholian 6,880]

Just because you're a fan of Gaga doesn't mean you have to blindly support her like she's some god. Have your own mind and opinions and voice them intelligently. Nothing's wrong with not liking an album's sound. What's wrong is disliking it without serious reason.

[GawdGa 1,399]

i think a lot of people got fed up with the promo process

- no DWUW video

- one video to cover ARTPOP, Venus and G.U.Y (and kinda MANiCURE)

- no radio hits (except for applause being on for a bit)

 

if it was promo'd better, sales would've been better and peoples opinion would be changed. all in all, i think it slays anyway, dont let other people tell you if you can like an album or not 

[Harry 26,836]

People love to use the commercial success/media thing as an excuse to explain why some fans don't like the album, but realistically... Some people just don't like it. And that's fine. A lot of LMs just cannot accept criticism. Even at the time there were a lot of meltdowns/complaints over the album, and there was with BTW too. I feel like a lot of the fanbase do love the album - just look at this thread. But a lot of you just prefer to listen to the negatives.

[Harry 26,836]

Great question. Personally, I think the album is as delicious and eclectic and catchy and thematically stacked as anything else she's ever done.

I understand many have issues with it, and that's fine. But I do think the album is severely misunderstood, and I also think that anyone who thinks the album is "sh*t" doesn't deserve to have their opinion taken seriously. The album may not be the out-of-left-field juggernaut that Born This Way was, but it is imaginative, intricately crafted pop music.

Well that's just ridiculous. I'm a fan of ARTPOP but you can't just dismiss someone's opinion because it's the opposite of yours lol.

[Klou 2,414]

It's just another example of babdwagoning whether a lot of them want to admit it or not. It's easier to like something that lots of other people like than to like something that is constantly bashed.

[scrappy 302]

I think it's a good album (I'd give it a 7.8/10) but it felt a bit underwhelming because of my high expectations.

[djBuffoon 12,115]

Well that's just ridiculous. I'm a fan of ARTPOP but you can't just dismiss someone's opinion because it's the opposite of yours lol.

Sorry, I'm not budging on that.

As I said, people (here or elsewhere) have written perfectly fair arguments for why the album is mediocre, or why they feel it's not her best work. But if someone wants to claim that the album is dreadful or "crap", as I have read on this very board... then no, that is not an argument I will take seriously. And that goes for any film, album, etc., that is crafted as well as this.

[Harry 26,836]

Sorry, I'm not budging on that.

As I said, people (here or elsewhere) have written perfectly fair arguments for why the album is mediocre, or why they feel it's not her best work. But if someone wants to claim that the album is dreadful or "crap", as I have read on this very board... then no, that is not an argument I will take seriously. Not when the album has as much going for it as it does. 

alrighty then

[djBuffoon 12,115]

alrighty then

I don't need you to agree, friend. I would hold the same standards against any film, album, play, etc., that was at least made with care and a sense of structure and reason, even if I don't personally care for the piece in question.

[Harry 26,836]

I don't need you to agree, friend. I would hold the same standards against any film, album, play, etc., that was at least made with care and a sense of structure and reason, even if I don't personally care for the piece in question.

And I'm sure that the people who dislike ARTPOP don't need you to agree, either. It's just a little interesting to me that you clearly hold your own opinion in such a high regard and expect it to be taken seriously but aren't willing to accept that someone may differ with you on it. I'm fairly certain I don't need to explain the concept of subjectivity to you, but it is entirely possible that some people don't think ARTPOP's "sense of structure and reason" is all that, or even there.

[SKANK 14,288]

It's just another example of babdwagoning whether a lot of them want to admit it or not. It's easier to like something that lots of other people like than to like something that is constantly bashed.

That is such a cop out, it really is.

If anything fan bases often have the opposite instinct, they bandwagon around an artist's ugly duckling period as a way of insulating that project from criticism. That is what you are doing, that is what everyone here who is calling other people sheep is doing. You are just dismissing criticism of ARTPOP by labeling its detractors sheep and bandwagoners. It's so silly.

The reality is, ARTPOP was a rush release, and that effected the quality. It received mixed reviews for a reason. It's her first album not to receive Grammy nominations for a reason. The reason is not "everyone hates my fav now wahhh." The reason is, the quality of the music isn't up to par.

[djBuffoon 12,115]

And I'm sure that the people who dislike ARTPOP don't need you to agree, either. It's just a little interesting to me that you clearly hold your own opinion in such a high regard but aren't willing to accept that someone may differ with you on it. I'm fairly certain I don't need to explain the concept of subjectivity to you, but it is entirely possible that some people don't think ARTPOP's "sense of structure and reason" is all that, or even there.

 Again, I don't care if someone doesn't like the album. But to think it is terrible, as in lacking any redeeming qualities, is ridiculous to me. Do with that what you will. I'm not going back and forth on this.

[Harry 26,836]

 

That is such a cop out, it really is.

If anything fan bases often have the opposite instinct, they bandwagon around an artist's ugly duckling period as a way of insulating that project from criticism. That is what you are doing, that is what everyone here who is calling other people sheep is doing. You are just dismissing criticism of ARTPOP by labeling its detractors sheep and bandwagoners. It's so silly.

The reality is, ARTPOP was a rush release, and that effected the quality. It received mixed reviews for a reason. It's her first album not to receive Grammy nominations for a reason. The reason is not "everyone hates my fav now wahhh." The reason is, the quality of the music isn't up to par.

Totally. And I can enjoy the album for what it is, but it's arguably her worst. A lot of fans definitely try to make it out as more than it is to compensate for the bad reviews/press.

 Again, I don't care if someone doesn't like the album. But to think it is terrible, as in lacking any redeeming qualities, is ridiculous to me. Do with that what you will. I'm not going back and forth on this.

Then don't. That's fine. But it's a perfectly fair and reasonable opinion to have, as with anything. A distaste for a certain work isn't invalid just because you throw your toys out of the pram and scream no.

[Klou 2,414]

 

That is such a cop out, it really is.

If anything fan bases often have the opposite instinct, they bandwagon around an artist's ugly duckling period as a way of insulating that project from criticism. That is what you are doing, that is what everyone here who is calling other people sheep is doing. You are just dismissing criticism of ARTPOP by labeling its detractors sheep and bandwagoners. It's so silly.

The reality is, ARTPOP was a rush release, and that effected the quality. It received mixed reviews for a reason. It's her first album not to receive Grammy nominations for a reason. The reason is not "everyone hates my fav now wahhh." The reason is, the quality of the music isn't up to par.

I actually find ARTPOP to be a very high quality album, so your argument is completely invalid to me.