Can we appreciate Honeymoon a little bit?

[Cody Draco 2,531]

I agree, it's better than Ultraviolence for me. That one was so boring and the lack of a theme was one of the reasons why I didn't like it as much as BTD and Paradise.

I feel like this is her best piece of work after Born To Die, lyrically better and sonically amazing. Indeed underrated.

How does UV lack a theme? 

[StrawberryBlond 14,776]

Pity it's not even getting the sales that UV did because it's brilliant. And shame that it got overlooked in its debut week (turned out there was more high profile people releasing than i thought). If she just promoted, maybe the story would've been different. Still my album of the year, though, no matter what people say. 

I love it. I feel like it really showed a growth for Lana. She dropped all of her usual clichés, foul language, shock factor, etc - really everything cheap and juvenile from her prior music. This album finally allowed me to take her seriously as a musician and be undistracted by stuff that seemed try hard and superficial. I think she finally showed some true depth, vulnerability, and validated her talent as a musician. 

Well, I don't know if she completely dropped shock factor. "Dying by the hand of a foreign man happily" has to be one of her most controversial lines ever. But really, you find these kind of things cheap, juvenile, try hard and superficial? Just asking, do you hold music with these themes by men to the same standard? It's just that I so frequently see females in music getting criticised for acting slutty/glorifiying violence/being distracting whenever they use themes that men use all the time without comment. It's like when Gaga made her "I'm just a rockstar" comeback to the reporter who suggests her s-xual themes were distracting. Not saying you're s-xist, but I just want to see what your opinion is on a wider scale.

[Mister Gaga 22,856]

I love it. I feel like it really showed a growth for Lana. She dropped all of her usual clichés, foul language, shock factor, etc - really everything cheap and juvenile from her prior music. This album finally allowed me to take her seriously as a musician and be undistracted by stuff that seemed try hard and superficial. I think she finally showed some true depth, vulnerability, and validated her talent as a musician. 

 

[Creyk 17,792]

The best album of the year

I love all songs and listen to the album every day.

I want more Red Party Dress/Daddy/Pale Moonlight references in the new songs to come though.

[Bette Davis 12,742]

Well, I don't know if she completely dropped shock factor. "Dying by the hand of a foreign man happily" has to be one of her most controversial lines ever. But really, you find these kind of things cheap, juvenile, try hard and superficial? Just asking, do you hold music with these themes by men to the same standard? It's just that I so frequently see females in music getting criticised for acting slutty/glorifiying violence/being distracting whenever they use themes that men use all the time without comment. It's like when Gaga made her "I'm just a rockstar" comeback to the reporter who suggests her s-xual themes were distracting. Not saying you're s-xist, but I just want to see what your opinion is on a wider scale.

I didn't find that line shocking because I didn't take it literally. I interpreted it as she was emotionally dying at the hand of a foreign man.

I hold men and women to the same standards. I wasn't talking so much about her glamorization of violence, but more so her unnecessary swearing (which I find garish), arbitrary clichés that lacked substance, and try hard lines like "my *** tastes like Pepsi cola". I have no problem with an artist talking about her vagina, but the way she did so just felt childish and cringeworthy. If she referenced her vagina in an artistic way, I wouldn't have thought twice about it, but saying it tastes like Pepsi cola just comes off as juvenile and attention seeking to me.

Her music has always sounded so epic and beautiful but then a lot of her lyrics would just make me cringe. They took away from the art of her music. It almost felt like she had created these beautiful paintings and then splattered paint all over them. For me that finally changed with Honeymoon. I was finally able to enjoy her art without being distracted.

[StrawberryBlond 14,776]

I didn't find that line shocking because I didn't take it literally. I interpreted it as she was emotionally dying at the hand of a foreign man.

I hold men and women to the same standards. I wasn't talking so much about her glamorization of violence, but more so her unnecessary swearing (which I find garish), arbitrary clichés that lacked substance, and try hard lines like "my *** tastes like Pepsi cola". I have no problem with an artist talking about her vagina, but the way she did so just felt childish and cringeworthy. If she referenced her vagina in an artistic way, I wouldn't have thought twice about it, but saying it tastes like Pepsi cola just comes off as juvenile and attention seeking to me.

Her music has always sounded so epic and beautiful but then a lot of her lyrics would just make me cringe. They took away from the art of her music. It almost felt like she had created these beautiful paintings and then splattered paint all over them. For me that finally changed with Honeymoon. I was finally able to enjoy her art without being distracted.

The only thing I didn't like about her more shocking elements was that it made it impossible for me to show her music to my parents. When I went to see her on tour, my mum tried to go with me as she doesn't like the concept of me going to concerts alone but I just used the excuse of "Well, you don't know the music at all and it's a small venue, so is best saved for super fans instead of plus ones." But it was mostly all because I physically couldn't have my mother present while Lana sang "My p***y tastes like Pepsi Cola" or any of her other swearing. It's a shame because my mum would probably like a lot of her retro throwback music, but so much stuff from her first two albums just couldn't be shown to her because it's just embarrassing. I sometimes wonder if Lana has potentially missed out on gaining some older fans (who would definitely love her throwback style) because they're a lot more conservative and opposed to swearing.

I get how some people would find lines like these to be tryhard. But I think they're pretty apt when you think about it. Someone once said that the Pepsi Cola line was so ridiculous and "who talks like that?" But thing is, Lana's music is based around a character, not her. This character is very hedonistic and full of herself, so a line like this translates as "My s**t don't stink, I'm so amazing." The song's about a girl who frolics with a married man without a care in the world and says these titillating lines to seduce him, so it works. I think it's meant to be overdone and garish. To be honest, I think it's the "my eyes are wide like cherry pies" that's cringey (and terrifying!)

Personally, I feel her swearing was weirdly beautiful at times. There is beauty in certain types of controversy. I think my favourite one was "In the land of gods and monsters, I was an angel...looking to get f****d hard." It's so raw, s-xy and edgy, I just love it. I think her voice sounds so amazing when she swears (sound fetishist here, so I'm in heaven). I don't think swearing is cool or that it can make a song better but there's no question that sometimes swearing in a song simply works and no other word would have sufficed. Seeing as I think it's her only swear word on Honeymoon, what do you think of her saying "You could be a bad motherf****r, but that don't make you a man."? That's what I'm talking about - what other word could have fitted, what other word could have got the point across like she wanted?

[Stephen 30,423]

Its nice I think its her worst album tho. UV is her best

[Angel Down 2,807]

I pray God forgives all those who called the Holy Ultraviolence "boring" or "without a theme"... Like wtaf. The concept and aesthetic of Ultraviolence is like one of the most authentic things I've ever witnessed in the music industry. There's absolutely no flaw when it comes to the lyrical section, or conceptual, or vocal. It's all perfect and extremely different from all the other stuff, whether hers or by other artists. 

I love Honeymoon, but the maturity and cohesion of Ultraviolence will never be topped. I can't even understand how such a young woman came up with an album so dark conveying such notions of despair, wisdom, maturity and agony. I would imagine Lana creating such an album at an older age tbh. 

Not intending to underestimate Honeymoon, it's really an impressive album but when you set the expectations to unfathomable heights with an album such as Ultraviolence, it's hard to outdo that. 
Nevertheless, I'm loving Honeymoon as much just because of some spectacular songs like God Knows I Tried, 24, Salvatore, The Blackest Day etc etc.

[Cody Draco 2,531]

I pray God forgives all those who called the Holy Ultraviolence "boring" or "without a theme"... Like wtaf. The concept and aesthetic of Ultraviolence is like one of the most authentic things I've ever witnessed in the music industry. There's absolutely no flaw when it comes to the lyrical section, or conceptual, or vocal. It's all perfect and extremely different from all the other stuff, whether hers or by other artists. 

I love Honeymoon, but the maturity and cohesion of Ultraviolence will never be topped. I can't even understand how such a young woman came up with an album so dark conveying such notions of despair, wisdom, maturity and agony. I would imagine Lana creating such an album at an older age tbh. 

Not intending to underestimate Honeymoon, it's really an impressive album but when you set the expectations to unfathomable heights with an album such as Ultraviolence, it's hard to outdo that. 
Nevertheless, I'm loving Honeymoon as much just because of some spectacular songs like God Knows I Tried, 24, Salvatore, The Blackest Day etc etc.

I take back what I said about there being room for one Salvatore on this site. You are perfect (besides your love for 24 fleas). 

[Angel Down 2,807]

I take back what I said about there being room for one Salvatore on this site. You are perfect (besides your love for 24 fleas). 

I guess I'll have to consider about my forgiving you. You seem to have already repented and turned away from your sins. Yea, I'll give you a chance 

[Manul 7,377]

TLY slays and then brings me back to life on a daily basis.