HDD: Condifent #1 SPS, #2 pure sales

[StrawberryBlond 14,891]

How am I backtracking? I've maintained the same stance throughout this exchange  You constantly criticise women and compare them to each other, drag them down due to their looks/choices, slut shame etc... Then try and cover it up with this feminism guise lol, like please...

Oh and she's pretending she's more intelligent than everyone else. I'm shocked.

You're backtracking when you said "didn't say you had to support someone because of their gender." That was exactly what you asking me to do when you started quoting me! I criticise women because I want them to be the best they can be. Men are allowed to criticise other men and no one says they're not being supportive of their gender. And my brand of feminism goes like this: "If men don't have to think/worry about it, why should women?" So, I will not give a woman a pass just because she's a woman or nothing will ever change. Women will only get equality if we hold them to the same standards as men on every level. Feminism isn't a case of "all women are queens who will never be criticised ever." No, it's about making women be equal to men, not to have more rights than them. And here we go again, a man telling a woman how she should/shouldn't do feminism. Ain't that a novelty. And excuse me, I never judged any woman on her looks just for saying that I was confident with my own. Point out a time I called a woman ugly around here because I never did. And slut shaming, seriously? Because I said Taylor's dated a lot (didn't even call her names for it) and because I once said I don't have an issue with these derogatory terms aimed at women if they've actually done something really bad? The former was truth telling, the latter is a pretty logical, fair way of looking at things (and for the record, I hold men to the same standard).

I'm not pretending. I know I'm intelligent. Not a MENSA member or anything, but I've got common sense, logic, several Highers and a university degree. Considering that plenty of people are intelligent with just the first two, I conclude I'm doing fine. As Demi would say, what's wrong with being confident?

[Harry 26,836]

You're backtracking when you said "didn't say you had to support someone because of their gender." That was exactly what you asking me to do when you started quoting me! I criticise women because I want them to be the best they can be. Men are allowed to criticise other men and no one says they're not being supportive of their gender. And my brand of feminism goes like this: "If men don't have to think/worry about it, why should women?" So, I will not give a woman a pass just because she's a woman or nothing will ever change. Women will only get equality if we hold them to the same standards as men on every level. Feminism isn't a case of "all women are queens who will never be criticised ever." No, it's about making women be equal to men, not to have more rights than them. And here we go again, a man telling a woman how she should/shouldn't do feminism. Ain't that a novelty. And excuse me, I never judged any woman on her looks just for saying that I was confident with my own. Point out a time I called a woman ugly around here because I never did. And slut shaming, seriously? Because I said Taylor's dated a lot (didn't even call her names for it) and because I once said I don't have an issue with these derogatory terms aimed at women if they've actually done something really bad? The former was truth telling, the latter is a pretty logical, fair way of looking at things (and for the record, I hold men to the same standard).

I'm not pretending. I know I'm intelligent. Not a MENSA member or anything, but I've got common sense, logic, several Highers and a university degree. Considering that plenty of people are intelligent with just the first two, I conclude I'm doing fine. As Demi would say, what's wrong with being confident?

That's not what I was saying. I categorically did not say you have to support someone just because they are a woman. You can find that and quote me if you like, but it doesn't exist. At least from me. As I DID actually say, however, if you cared to actually read my post without randomly drawing your own conclusions (as you're rather fond of, it appears) - I meant that you dragged Selena into this for no reason. Why can't you celebrate or comment on Demi's numbers without using it as an opportunity to perpetuate this silly 'cat fight' that's been created by fans and the media.

Also it's truly hilarious that you spew this drivel about gender equality but continue to tell me that I can't have an opinion on feminism lol. I do consider myself a feminist, and I'm not telling you how to do anything. Just criticising your hypocrisy. But sure, make me out to be something I'm not if it makes you feel any better. Because I know that you really hate it when people challenge you. I'm sure you've inflated your ego big enough to take it, though.

[StrawberryBlond 14,891]

That's not what I was saying. I categorically did not say you have to support someone just because they are a woman. You can find that and quote me if you like, but it doesn't exist. At least from me. As I DID actually say, however, if you cared to actually read my post without randomly drawing your own conclusions (as you're rather fond of, it appears) - I meant that you dragged Selena into this for no reason. Why can't you celebrate or comment on Demi's numbers without using it as an opportunity to perpetuate this silly 'cat fight' that's been created by fans and the media.

Also it's truly hilarious that you spew this drivel about gender equality but continue to tell me that I can't have an opinion on feminism lol. I do consider myself a feminist, and I'm not telling you how to do anything. Just criticising your hypocrisy. But sure, make me out to be something I'm not if it makes you feel any better. Because I know that you really hate it when people challenge you. I'm sure you've inflated your ego big enough to take it, though.

I just don't see how what you said could be interpreted any differently. I didn't exactly drag her into it for no reason. I actually brought her up to show one of the reasons why I was so outraged that Demi could miss out on #1. My reasoning is: Selena got to #1 the week before with no problem and hit the 100k mark, so seeing as Demi's fans tend to be more loyal and bigger album buyers, I hoped she would also have no problem performing even better, so I was frustrated to see her struggle to even match what Selena achieved. I think it's pretty relevant. I wasn't perpetuating anything, I was just thinking out loud, so sue me.

I didn't say you couldn't have an opinion on feminism, just that it's annoying for a man to tell me that I'm doing feminism wrong (lord knows we get enough of that from idiot MRA's). There's a lot of different kinds of feminists, we don't all agree because empowerment and liberation can mean different things to different people. But the first rule of joining the movement is to be careful of how you criticise other feminists especially if you're a man. I'll admit that I can be a hypocrite at times, just not when it comes to feminism. I don't see why it's so out of line for me to call a woman out for being horrible if it's true (believe me, being bullied by women have shown me just how nasty and manipulative some females can be). Like I said, person first, woman second. Be nasty and you'll get called nasty, simple as, gender shouldn't come into it.

"Make me out to be something I'm not if it makes you feel any better," - I could say the same about you. The funny thing is, in reality, no one has ever accused me of having a big ego - quite the opposite. Because I'm a very quiet person who always finds it difficult to speak up. But online, we can butt in where we want and say what's on our minds without going through embarrassing, face-to-face repercussions in reality, so we can come across as more arrogant. Things come across harsher in text than in words, I find. I'm sure if you met me, you would wonder if it was the right person because I'm a lot nicer. I have turned around plenty of people's opinions of me once they've got to know me better.

[Harry 26,836]

I just don't see how what you said could be interpreted any differently. I didn't exactly drag her into it for no reason. I actually brought her up to show one of the reasons why I was so outraged that Demi could miss out on #1. My reasoning is: Selena got to #1 the week before with no problem and hit the 100k mark, so seeing as Demi's fans tend to be more loyal and bigger album buyers, I hoped she would also have no problem performing even better, so I was frustrated to see her struggle to even match what Selena achieved. I think it's pretty relevant. I wasn't perpetuating anything, I was just thinking out loud, so sue me.

I didn't say you couldn't have an opinion on feminism, just that it's annoying for a man to tell me that I'm doing feminism wrong (lord knows we get enough of that from idiot MRA's). There's a lot of different kinds of feminists, we don't all agree because empowerment and liberation can mean different things to different people. But the first rule of joining the movement is to be careful of how you criticise other feminists especially if you're a man. I'll admit that I can be a hypocrite at times, just not when it comes to feminism. I don't see why it's so out of line for me to call a woman out for being horrible if it's true (believe me, being bullied by women have shown me just how nasty and manipulative some females can be). Like I said, person first, woman second. Be nasty and you'll get called nasty, simple as, gender shouldn't come into it.

"Make me out to be something I'm not if it makes you feel any better," - I could say the same about you. The funny thing is, in reality, no one has ever accused me of having a big ego - quite the opposite. Because I'm a very quiet person who always finds it difficult to speak up. But online, we can butt in where we want and say what's on our minds without going through embarrassing, face-to-face repercussions in reality, so we can come across as more arrogant. Things come across harsher in text than in words, I find. I'm sure if you met me, you would wonder if it was the right person because I'm a lot nicer. I have turned around plenty of people's opinions of me once they've got to know me better.

How about the way in which I literally just explained to you?

I also specifically said I wasn't telling you how/what to do in regards to feminism.

I don't understand why you expect me to read your huge posts when you clearly don't respect me enough to read mine

[StrawberryBlond 14,891]

How about the way in which I literally just explained to you?

I also specifically said I wasn't telling you how/what to do in regards to feminism.

I don't understand why you expect me to read your huge posts when you clearly don't respect me enough to read mine

You're explaining it now, but it wasn't that clear in the one sentance that you posted that started this whole thing off. And I did read it, but don't expect me to understand everything you say. It's arrogant of you to assume I can't have read what you had to say purely because I'm disagreeing with you. You have to realise that what you say and what you mean aren't always gelling. I accuse you of backtracking because you appear to say things further down the line that are very different from what you originally posted. Sometimes, one sentance doesn't cut it - you need to write more to convey what it truly is you're saying so the other person doesn't get the wrong idea.

[Harry 26,836]

You're explaining it now, but it wasn't that clear in the one sentance that you posted that started this whole thing off. And I did read it, but don't expect me to understand everything you say. It's arrogant of you to assume I can't have read what you had to say purely because I'm disagreeing with you. You have to realise that what you say and what you mean aren't always gelling. I accuse you of backtracking because you appear to say things further down the line that are very different from what you originally posted. Sometimes, one sentance doesn't cut it - you need to write more to convey what it truly is you're saying so the other person doesn't get the wrong idea.

So how is it that even though I explained further in several more posts, you continued to reiterate the same BS? You aren't as intelligent as you think you are if you can literally read something that I'm spelling out to you and continue to talk to me based on what you thought I said initially.

You just make your own mind up and stick with it even if I explain myself... You hate being wrong/corrected

[GloZell Green 11,723]

How did this thread already turn into a mess

And sales aren't that important tbh, good for Pentatonix and Demi, I still love Confident anyways   Music not the bling, you know?

[Lion Heart 15,041]

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[StrawberryBlond 14,891]

So how is it that even though I explained further in several more posts, you continued to reiterate the same BS? You aren't as intelligent as you think you are if you can literally read something that I'm spelling out to you and continue to talk to me based on what you thought I said initially.

You just make your own mind up and stick with it even if I explain myself... You hate being wrong/corrected

Because it wasn't matching up with your minimalistic bluntness earlier. It's difficult to shake off a first impression, particularly when you make a habit of quoting me just to argue with me. Believe me, I've been criticised before for not explaining things as well as I could online, even when I re-read things and checked everything before I posted, so that nothing could be misinterpreted. I know what that feels like. And I still don't think what you're saying comes across like it's what you originally meant.

Oh, trust me, I'm one of the few people I know that can take being wrong/corrected with grace. And this conversation based on opinion is not a case of being wrong or corrected, it's just petty bickering. That last sentance could easily have been said about you. So, you can see how there's lack of understanding between us when we accuse each other of the same faults. I'd like to get along with you, i really would. But you make it so hard by demonising me all the time when there's no need for it.

[Harry 26,836]

Because it wasn't matching up with your minimalistic bluntness earlier. It's difficult to shake off a first impression, particularly when you make a habit of quoting me just to argue with me. Believe me, I've been criticised before for not explaining things as well as I could online, even when I re-read things and checked everything before I posted, so that nothing could be misinterpreted. I know what that feels like. And I still don't think what you're saying comes across like it's what you originally meant.

Oh, trust me, I'm one of the few people I know that can take being wrong/corrected with grace. And this conversation based on opinion is not a case of being wrong or corrected, it's just petty bickering. That last sentance could easily have been said about you. So, you can see how there's lack of understanding between us when we accuse each other of the same faults. I'd like to get along with you, i really would. But you make it so hard by demonising me all the time when there's no need for it.

okay

[nikola 4,342]

Wtf happened to this thread lol

[StrawberryBlond 14,891]

Just so people know, I just listened to the Pentatonix album. It was surprisingly ok. They just picked the worst song on the album to be the lead single. They're actually talented vocalists and their music appears at least promising. So, maybe I was too harsh judging them on that one song...but I still hope Demi wins this week because Confident really is the better album!

Hope that makes up for how off-topic things got.