Mast 980 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 I watched the Democratic Debate last night and it was very clear that Bernie won the debate. The viewers agreed, and polls show that a large majority of people think Bernie was the biggest winner of the night. However, major news outlets are disregarding the people's voice and instead reporting that Clinton won, when she clearly didn't. She made a vast amount of vague statements, avoided questions regarding her political shifts, and presented no real solutions.' This image explains my point: What's your opinion? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melech 9,900 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 The media only supporting her because she gives them money. I'm pretty sure. Anyway I watched the whole debate (and I'm not even American) and Bernie clearly won. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redstreak 6,653 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 Bernie would be my preferred candidate, but I have to admit she edged past him when it came to the debate imo. Take a moment to think of just flexibility, love, and trust~ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bye 3,947 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 In every country it's the politician with the most corporations and media support which wins. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
politicqxs 358 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 Forbes says Bernie sanders' worth is 0.7 million dollars ... Oops giving up sodomy and moving to 🇦🇪 converting to ☪ and marrying four girls Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pie-kun 1,765 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 Hillary definitely won. Everyone was looking to her to screw up or make a major blunder but she was came across poised and presidential. Sanders also helped her a lot with his response to the e-mail controversy, which is probably her biggest weakness presently. In fact, one of the best things for Clinton in this debate was the lack of aggressiveness from the other candidates.Sanders did fine but he didn't do much to expand his appeal beyond White liberals, which is the main challenge of his campaign right now. The far-left of the party love him because he has far-left positions, but his problem is that Moderate/Conservative Democrats make up a larger portion of the party and are skeptical about a lot of his views and his ability to get these very progressive policies passed through the legislature. In fact, I think Sanders worst moment (aside from the gun portion, where the other candidates really piled on him) was his response to the question about how he would get legislation passed considering the problems Obama is having right now with a Republican Congress. Sanders response was essentially "We'll elect a bunch of Progressives to Congress and then I can get them passed!" That's a lot easier said than done, especially considering the Gerrymandering that happened in 2010 that heavily favored Republicans, making it very hard for Democrats to win back control of Congress in the foreseeable future, even when they win the popular vote. One of Hillary's best lines of the debate was "I'm a progressive, but I'm a progressive who likes to get things done". Also, the flash online polls that say Sanders won don't really mean much. Sanders is a candidate with a large online following, so it's not surprising that his supporters would flood those polls. To give some perspective, in 2008 Ron Paul also had a huge online following and won every online poll after every debate, yet he never rose above 10% in the national polls for the primary.The only accurate way to gauge who won the debate will be to look at polling over the next few weeks. Sanders saw a surge that lasted through July-August that got his polling numbers into the mid-20s but he has not been able to push his numbers higher since then. If he starts seeing his polling rise in the next few weeks, then we can conclude that he did well and won the debate. If his numbers don't move and/or Hillary sees her numbers rise, then we can probably conclude that he didn't win the debate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mast 980 Posted October 14, 2015 Author Share Posted October 14, 2015 Forbes says Bernie sanders' worth is 0.7 million dollars ... OopsSo? That's exactly his point. He's the only person running who isn't a millionaire. He wants to fight against the injustices of the 1%. It's a good thing that he doesn't have money. He raised $1.3 million from public donations after the debate, and another $2million prior to the debate. All the money came from civilians, and not corporations. It means people like him and support him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mast 980 Posted October 14, 2015 Author Share Posted October 14, 2015 Sanders did fine but he didn't do much to expand his appeal beyond White liberals, which is the main challenge of his campaign right now. The far-left of the party love him because he has far-left positions, but his problem is that Moderate/Conservative Democrats make up a larger portion of the party and are skeptical about a lot of his views and his ability to get these very progressive policies passed through the legislature. In fact, I think Sanders worst moment (aside from the gun portion, where the other candidates really piled on him) was his response to the question about how he would get legislation passed considering the problems Obama is having right now with a Republican Congress. Sanders response was essentially "We'll elect a bunch of Progressives to Congress and then I can get them passed!" That's a lot easier said than done, especially considering the Gerrymandering that happened in 2010 that heavily favored Republicans, making it very hard for Democrats to win back control of Congress in the foreseeable future, even when they win the popular vote. One of Hillary's best lines of the debate was "I'm a progressive, but I'm a progressive who likes to get things done". What? He literally opened talking about POC unemployment and the crisis with our prison system way before the issue was brought later with the BLM question, and even when the question came up, he said he was most definitely in support of Black Lives Matter. He followed that by saying that Americans need to stop denying the reality and start combating institutionalized racism, This is not the first time he's fought for civil rights either, the dude marched with Martin Luther King. Also, his response was not to elect progressives, his response was that the president alone cannot work toward change when the republicans control congress and there is a democrat in the office, this is true, as is the case with Obama. His proposed that for change to happen, the people have to be even more vocal about what they want and work with their senators and representatives, until the Republicans cave in. Also, Hillary is no way, shape, or form, a progressive. She only said she was because from the beginning, it was evident that she was trying to appeal to Bernie's supporters. She's always been moderate and that didn't change until Bernie came into the picture. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 IMO, the Democratic Party won. They actually discussed policy and subjects that were important to the people, which is the opposite of what happened with the first Republican Debate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woolfsmck 2,763 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 Bernie and Hilary will make good running mates ... most likely they won't attack each other that harshly because the one who gets the nomination will likely pick the other for VP like a cat in a sil, I observe life, moving and still. My words give a clue,look inside to see whats true Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 53,059 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 I missed it :( i cant say who "won" cuz i didnt see but i will say that unless someone answers really badly or fails at giving responses, its usually pretty subjective on who "won" Berni is too left for me tho... Regarless of your ideals i think anyone with a brain knows too much of anything isnt good... I think that is also true with left vs right politics... Any extreme on the spectrum can never be good id consider myself "centre-right"... Tho i can respect opinions of "centre" and "centre-left"... but far right or far left individuals tend to be close minded by nature often automatically rejecting any proposition that they see as opposite spectrum without even really thinking about it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luiz 4,253 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 i liked jim webb most tbh. seemed most realistic and also came off as a guy that could work with a republican congress to get things done because hes someone i think they'd respect. i also would trust him with foreign policy most out of everyone there (him opposing the iraq war and being a former marine). still like bernie though but i wonder how wallsteet and the wealthy would react to his policies in order to protect their money.^ copy/paste from my other thread.media coverage is mostly going to hillary so yeah she won it. I disapprove of what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woolfsmck 2,763 Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 Where Clinton and Sanders stand on top economic issueshttp://finance.yahoo.com/news/where-clinton-and-sanders-stand-on-top-economic-issues-150715912.html"Trade. Sanders opposes the Trans Pacific Partnership, which President Obama is now trying to get Congress to approve. Sanders would also roll back other trade deals such as NAFTA, generally favoring a more protectionist economy. Clinton, more amenable to free-trade deals, used to back the TPP but now opposes it -- a flip-flop her Republican critics are eager to highlight, even if her Democratic challengers don’t."The is the Union influence on Sanders. like a cat in a sil, I observe life, moving and still. My words give a clue,look inside to see whats true Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warholian 6,880 Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 No matter who you support you're lying to yourself if you think Bernie Sanders won over Clinton. Hilary is a master debater and has had massive experience over decades. She had a response to absolutely every question, was continuously on her game, and the Bernie comment on Hilary's emails just solidifies how well the night went for her. She's under such a large amount of scrutiny but she somehow pulled off not having any criticizable moments. She did incredibly well and displayed how really presidential and charismatic she is as a speaker, debater, and negotiator - probably far better than anyone of either the Republican of Democrat side. It's an obvious win for her side. Kevin Parker, Mac Demarco, Mark Ronson, and a stoned Lady Gaga. Need I say more? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewStevens 5,249 Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 In my opinion Hillary did better when it came to the actual debate about politics by Bernie was more likable. So I guess Hillary but Bernie won Mr. Congeniality Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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