ARTPOP is an experimental songwriting and vocal album

[Echo 327]

Sure jan

[kiwifromvenus 508]

On a positive note there are alot of threads about 'experimental music' and everyone's opinion is valid. For me experimental music can break down society's definition of it. For me, ARTPOP is experimental in many facets, mostly because to make the album in the first place Gaga had to experiment with sounds, ideas, lyrics etc In that way all music is experimental. Without experimentation there is no music.

My view anyway. Just thought I'd add this here. I find societal definitions of words boring, mostly as I am a poet and like to bend and shape words to their potential "outside the box" - whether people view it as experimental or not, the whole concept of ARTPOP ended up being a "creative rebellion" - whether initially intended - maybe it was experimental in the fact that its meaning and ideas always changed - concreted in "ARTPOP could mean anything".

Anyway as always gunna go spin the little beauty that is ARTPOP and "experiment" with my house layout and interior designs.

[JusKeepBreathin 19,311]

Did you actually read that article? Or did you just Google "lady gaga frank zappa"?

The article talks about how Gaga embraced being 'weird' and 'odd' with BTW which is actually kind of offensive because it implies that aligning oneself with the LGBT community is 'odd'. It doesn't compare her with Frank artistically at all.

And in any case, that article is about the song Born This Way and it was written before said song was even released. This thread is clearly about ARTPOP, and that is what we've been discussing. If you're trying to argue that an album is experimental by bringing up an article that (extremely) vaguely compares a song from a previous album to one innovative artist, then... Well I don't even know what to tell you. Try again, I guess?

It compares the two base on being outside the norm...weird...odd. It references that those things were first done through her videos visually and then the BTW. When you are producing lyrics that are outside the box you get compared to others outside the box. It's no wonder you don't understand ARTPOP. It takes someone holding your hand and pointing the way for you to understand anything. Of course I read the article. It obvious you didn't read it. 

[JusKeepBreathin 19,311]

Wow, if you Google "lady gaga frank zappa" that article is literally the third result that comes up, I just can't  And I was actually was joking! These people don't even try

I used google to look up an article. That's hardly unheard of. Do you look up articles using microfiche in a library maybe Encyclopedia Britannica?   LOL Enlighten me, where are the places I that should look for articles with Lady Gaga and Frank Zappa? Next you're going to tell me you have all his lyrics memorized. Don't be petty. You don't sound smart just condescending. 

Please use your comments to inform not whatever this thing is I'm replying to. With that said I am putting an end to my conversation with you because it obvious you are just looking for fight.  

[SychosSoChic 9,995]

can we stop making the same threads over and over again?  

The people who agreed with what you said in the OP are the exact same people who agreed with the OP in the thread before this  

The people disagreeing are the same people who disagreed in the thread before this  

There is literally no reason to beat this dead horse of a topic  

[Jjang 2,262]

It compares the two base on being outside the norm...weird...odd. It references that those things were first done through her videos visually and then the BTW. When you are producing lyrics that are outside the box you get compared to others outside the box. It's no wonder you don't understand ARTPOP. It takes someone holding your hand and pointing the way for you to understand anything. Of course I read the article. It obvious you didn't read it. 

So

Your conclusion : ARTPOP is experimental because the Born This Way video is weird. Amazing.

There is nothing outside of the box about a straightforward self empowering song.

[kiwifromvenus 508]

ARTPOP

[Kayla 7,595]

An album being unique doesn't mean it's experimental.

ARTPOP was very unique, differed from other Pop albums of the time, etc. etc. 

But it doesn't fit the bill for being "experimental."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experimental_music

"Experimental music is a compositional tradition that arose in the mid-20th century, particularly in North America, of music composed in such a way that its outcome is unforeseeable."

"Harry Partch as well as Ivor Darreg worked with other tuning scales based on the physical laws for harmonic music. For this music they both developed a group of experimental musical instruments. Musique concrète (French; literally, "concrete music"), is a form of electroacoustic music that utilises acousmatic sound as a compositional resource. Free improvisation or free musicis improvised music without any rules beyond the taste or inclination of the musician(s) involved; in many cases the musicians make an active effort to avoid overt references to recognizable musical genres."

"There are many ideas broadly utilized by experimental musicians which are not, however, strictly experimental music concepts, having seen significant application prior to the advent of experimental music, particularly by the avant garde. Examples include: extended techniques (Instrumental or vocal performance techniques that step outside (often far outside) conventional performance techniques) and graphic notation (music which is written in the form of diagrams or drawings. Other elements include "Prepared" instruments—ordinary instruments modified in their tuning or sound-producing characteristics; using instruments, tunings, rhythms or scales from non-Western musical traditions; using sound sources other than conventional musical instruments, such as trash cans, telephone ringers, or doors slamming; creating experimental musical instruments for enhancing the timbre of compositions and exploring new techniques or possibilities; using a tape loop to create a tape phase; and removing perceived barriers of traditional concert settings by putting performers scattered among the audience."

There are a couple things Gaga has done which could fall under the "experimental" category, but that doesn't make ARTPOP an experimental album. It's a Pop album with a few experimental aspects sprinkled in.

[AbuHassan1992 766]

There is NOTHING experimental about ARTPOP. it's a POP album. Nothing new or creative about the way instruments are played, the way the music is recorded, no new way of using effects, etc. and there is nothing wrong with that, but it's still not experimental. Please, look up the term experimental. Just because she used an avid trance beat while screaming over it in one song doesn't make it experimental. That genre of music has existed for YEARS. 

[LukeHakan 13]

I swear I can never tell whether this guy is a troll or really just freaking dumb as a brick o<(0_0)>o

[Harry 26,836]

It compares the two base on being outside the norm...weird...odd. It references that those things were first done through her videos visually and then the BTW. When you are producing lyrics that are outside the box you get compared to others outside the box. It's no wonder you don't understand ARTPOP. It takes someone holding your hand and pointing the way for you to understand anything. Of course I read the article. It obvious you didn't read it. 

But how are you going to use an article citing BTW when discussing ARTPOP? We all know that Gaga is different and unique with her visuals and looks, but that still doesn't show me how ARTPOP as a body of work is experimental. 

I used google to look up an article. That's hardly unheard of. Do you look up articles using microfiche in a library maybe Encyclopedia Britannica?   LOL Enlighten me, where are the places I that should look for articles with Lady Gaga and Frank Zappa? Next you're going to tell me you have all his lyrics memorized. Don't be petty. You don't sound smart just condescending. 

Please use your comments to inform not whatever this thing is I'm replying to. With that said I am putting an end to my conversation with you because it obvious you are just looking for fight.  

Well you seemed so sure that you could compare ARTPOP to Frank Zappa that it's humorous that you had to Google it to try and even bring the most tenuous of comparisons to the table. I asked for a specific musical similarities as I can't hear it but you have still proven unable to do so, and now you've left the conversation! The delusion is apparent, alive and real.

[Jenniferella 2,774]

Nothing Gaga ever did was experimental in any way, lol.

[JusKeepBreathin 19,311]

An album being unique doesn't mean it's experimental.

ARTPOP was very unique, differed from other Pop albums of the time, etc. etc. 

But it doesn't fit the bill for being "experimental."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experimental_music

"Experimental music is a compositional tradition that arose in the mid-20th century, particularly in North America, of music composed in such a way that its outcome is unforeseeable."

"Harry Partch as well as Ivor Darreg worked with other tuning scales based on the physical laws for harmonic music. For this music they both developed a group of experimental musical instruments. Musique concrète (French; literally, "concrete music"), is a form of electroacoustic music that utilises acousmatic sound as a compositional resource. Free improvisation or free musicis improvised music without any rules beyond the taste or inclination of the musician(s) involved; in many cases the musicians make an active effort to avoid overt references to recognizable musical genres."

"There are many ideas broadly utilized by experimental musicians which are not, however, strictly experimental music concepts, having seen significant application prior to the advent of experimental music, particularly by the avant garde. Examples include: extended techniques (Instrumental or vocal performance techniques that step outside (often far outside) conventional performance techniques) and graphic notation (music which is written in the form of diagrams or drawings. Other elements include "Prepared" instruments—ordinary instruments modified in their tuning or sound-producing characteristics; using instruments, tunings, rhythms or scales from non-Western musical traditions; using sound sources other than conventional musical instruments, such as trash cans, telephone ringers, or doors slamming; creating experimental musical instruments for enhancing the timbre of compositions and exploring new techniques or possibilities; using a tape loop to create a tape phase; and removing perceived barriers of traditional concert settings by putting performers scattered among the audience."

There are a couple things Gaga has done which could fall under the "experimental" category, but that doesn't make ARTPOP an experimental album. It's a Pop album with a few experimental aspects sprinkled in.

I never said experimental music. I said experimental pop. 

Experimental pop is a type of pop music that requires the same amount of concentrated attention as art music.[1] Bands will usually incorporate techniques such as eclecticism, musique concrete, and aleatoric music.[2] Oftentimes, the compositional process requires the use of electronic production effects to alter and/or enhance a straightforward song arrangement. 

That why I chose the Frank Zappa comparison. Also lyrics in ARTPOP like those contained in MJH are comparable to some lyrics in Frank's repertoire.

The whole point of ARTPOP was to bring Artistic value to pop (popular) music IMO using "experimental pop" not experimental music. I never argued her sounding in the least like Fka Twigs or Bjork or any other experimental artist. As a matter of fact I have argued against that notion. I have been arguing the difference between experimental music and experimental pop. 

[Quark 7,098]

...But artists like Madonna sang about rape 30 years ago  It just happens that today's music soundscape is mainly electronic and Gaga hopped on that trend. These mainstream scene lyrical boundaries were pushed by artists like Madonna decades ago. I still don't understand how in your mind a diss song (that Gaga had to announce it to be about rape in order for the music listener to comprehend so) is daring or experimental. 

Once again, I am talking about a rape EDM song. Not something that Madonna did years ago. And is not hopping on a trend, because even taking into account EDM's popularity, no current artist thought of incorporating a very serious topic like rape on EDM styles.

[Quark 7,098]

Emulating people's voices is not experimental either. Even when keeping your own tone. It's impossible to completely emulate someone, you will always have a hint of your own voice. Sorry, but AP s just not experimental. The songwriting, although different, is still the same incoherent and simple style that Gaga has. I love her but let's not praise her for things that aren't there.

Different could be experimental. Experimenting means that you are trying something new, and guess what? Different. The reason why something is different is because you haven't seen such things before. And Gaga incorporate many "different" things into ARTPOP.