SICK and TIRED of all of these Gaga hate threads

[Yanko 9,860]

This! When a simple one word comment or a giggling emoticon in threads of other artists get WPs, then that sets the standard. These "carefully worded opinions" that call Gaga titles such as fake, liar, hypocrite, lazy, careless, etc. are looked at as "opinions". Opinions that some people are posting everyday... week after week, month after month. Why isn't this constant negativity towards Gaga on her own fanforum considered flamebait, when such minor comments are considered Flamebait when they are directed towards other artists? 

This is the source of some of the confusion! 

the giggling emotes can be considered as pointless post

read the rules 

[Bye 3,947]

I didn't speak ignorance though, I had provided a rational & legitimate argument based on facts and logic. And I'd love to read those critics point of view, link me.

http://www.mtv.com/news/1634676/lady-gaga-has-made-dance-music-mainstream-dj-tommie-sunshine-says/

http://www.mtv.com/news/1635386/david-guetta-builds-a-bridge-between-dance-music-and-the-mainstream/

http://www.musiclifecoach.com/success-in-music/why-the-edm-revolution-has-only-just-begun/ 

[Whispering 18,865]

Again this is better elsewhere so I won't continue posting here after this, but since it's posted here:

I've had this happen to me. I remember posting something about how I was disappointed Gaga didn't audition for AHS but that I was excited and hoped she did well. Of course I got multiple people quote me to defend Gaga, which is completely fine but it goes to show how much people focus on the slightest negativity or the smallest thing they disagree with.
 

We can't really do anything to stop people having negative opinions. There are always going to be negative opinions, they are always going to be blown up on some level and we can't rid the forum of opinions the majority doesn't agree with. You're always going to see differing opinions and that's just the nature of a forum.

 

Why is this discussion better posted elsewhere? It's not like it is off topic! We are completely on topic here with the subject of this entire thread! 

You are referring to a discussion over differing opinions in the first paragraph. No one that has been discussing the issues brought up in this thread has said that everyone needs to have 100 per cent favorable opinions all the time. In fact, people have repeatedly stated that negative opinions aren't the problem, it is when the same people are constantly negative that is the problem. 

No one expects the mods to stop all negative opinions on a forum and no one has said they expect to see the same opinions expessed by everyone. Differing opinions are expressed constantly on practically every single page of every thread on this forum. Where are you getting this idea that people are saying this is what they want, because I haven't seen that sentiment expressed by the majority in this thread? 

[Whispering 18,865]

the giggling emotes can be considered as pointless post

read the rules 

Once again, it wasn't just a giggling emote. Read my comment to Bebe. It was simply a laughing smiley at the end of a comment. 

I've read the rules, and with one exception I can think of (which was to make a point) I try to add at least a sentence when commenting. 

Do you personally post a simple gif or emote, with no comment when quoting someone? You need to read the rules. 

[Bebe 17,106]

Why is this discussion better posted elsewhere? It's not like it is off topic! We are completely on topic here with the subject of this entire thread! 

Well I'd argue this thread is more about the fanbase, members and a perceived culture of negativity then a discussion of moderation. 

Discussion of pointless posts or discussion of users and posts that some users think should be warned, is not relevant.

If you want clarification on moderation, it's better not to clog up this thread and instead post a topic in the support section! Thanks!

[Yanko 9,860]

http://www.mtv.com/news/1634676/lady-gaga-has-made-dance-music-mainstream-dj-tommie-sunshine-says/

http://www.mtv.com/news/1635386/david-guetta-builds-a-bridge-between-dance-music-and-the-mainstream/

http://www.musiclifecoach.com/success-in-music/why-the-edm-revolution-has-only-just-begun/ 

jjang disagrees with them 

just like people here disagree with what critics have to say about ARTPOP

 

[Whispering 18,865]

Well I'd argue this thread is more about the fanbase, members and a perceived culture of negativity then a discussion of moderation. 

Discussion of pointless posts or discussion of users and posts that some users think should be warned, is not relevant.

If you want clarification on moderation, it's better not to clog up this thread and instead post a topic in the support section! Thanks!

The discussion of Flamebait started at least four pages ago and you made a lengthy comment on Flamebait and how moderators determine what is and isn't Flamebait on page seven, that really spurred the conversation along. 

(I just saw that WPs were mentioned by the same person twice on page 3 of this thread, but it didn't really take off until age six.) Up until that point, the discussion was focused primarily on general negativity and on members who are constantly negative.

I agree, specific users should not be brought up by name and targeted unless it is a discussion between two individuals. 

[Bye 3,947]

jjang disagrees with them 

just like people here disagree with what critics have to say about ARTPOP

 

People can disagree about facts, that doesn't make them non-facts. Opinions which are non-factual annoy me especially when repeated in multiple threads  

[GAGAXABO 390]

Honestly I know this is how much of the fan base feels now that there's so much "I'm over Gaga" threads. First off, why the f**k are you on a Gaga fan site if you're sick of her? Go create your own cult site of your fave where everyone will agree with your "opinions". I don't know why people are so idiotic to start bull****ting and saying Gaga is over. Plus, who the hell do you think you are to play God with Gagas career? If you want to make decisions you like, build your own career and rise to where Gaga is today. We don't need to hear you bashing about how you didn't like ARTPOP AND CTC all the time. You don't have to like what Gaga does, but you don't need to be spreading it on every single forum! It annoys me because Gaga is happy, and some people are just being so egotistic and thinking Gaga should only do what they want. ITS HER CAREER, HER DECISION. And don't come comparing people and saying you can post about whoever you want because we're not about to deal with that s**t. I'm done with this rampage honestly  Have a nice day.

AMEN!! 100% agree. Though I truly believe this is not a general thing about the fanbase (we have proved to be loyal no matter what). There are some fans that are just being critical and that is OK. The problem is the number of trolls registered here.

[Didymus 34,380]

I agree, certain users should not be brought up by name and targeted unless it is a discussion between two individuals. 

As if nobody knows who you people are talking about

I read some of your posts here & I must say, I perfectly get the logic. But it's limited. I have personally been accused of being negative all the time more times than I can remember, but it's actually clear to me (and to a lot of people that I consider to be my friends) that that's a misunderstanding arising from the fact that they only see a very small portion of my posts and either don't see or actively ignore the positive posts I make on a daily basis.

I don't know if it counts for the other users being judged rn (I know I'm one of them in any case), but I actually think that the core problem here isn't the negativity but this phantom that some users, like you, come up with; this idea of members never (which is a big word that's hilarious to even use) having anything positive to say. That idea is often unshakeable in the face of proof that shows a different picture (I clearly remember one of this thread's accusers ignoring proof of a mass of Gaga compliments made by me in one day and calling me a troll after being presented with it) which leads me to the conclusion that the real problematic group is the group of people refusing to take people seriously when they defend negative opinions and can immediately show posts that are neutral to positive about Gaga.

Because, like I said, the true Gaga bashers don't last a week in this place. They are most definitely warned, if not banned on the spot, so this idea of the moderators' lack of action on that level is just absolutely wrong. I'll admit that I've been warned a lot of times for the way I spoke about Gaga (and I have definitely changed my writing style afterwards) but the mods usually acknowledged that those warned posts would've been fine if they weren't fuelled with negative emotion. It's that acknowledgment that I miss from a lot of members. Even if negative posts are actually constant (which I can't even believe), if they follow the rules, there is literally no reason whatsoever for you to complain.

[Whispering 18,865]

As if nobody knows who you people are talking about

Even if negative posts are actually constant (which I can't even believe), if they follow the rules, there is literally no reason whatsoever for you to complain.

You have absolutely no idea exactly who or how many I'm referring to and I have no idea who all these other people in this thread are referring to ... unless they have named names in this thread. 

There are some users on this forum who are constantly negative about Gaga. I have every right to complain about those people, just like anyone else does who is a member here. 

[Bebe 17,106]

The discussion of Flamebait started at least four pages ago and you made a lengthy comment on Flamebait and how moderators determine what is and isn't Flamebait on page seven, that really spurred the conversation along. 

(I just saw that WPs were mentioned by the same person twice on page 3 of this thread, but it didn't really take off until age six.) Up until that point, the discussion was focused primarily on general negativity and on members who are constantly negative.

I agree, specific users should not be brought up by name and targeted unless it is a discussion between two individuals. 

I really don't know why you are trying to drag this on when I've told you I'm happy to have this discussion with you elsewhere. It makes it frustrating for me when I'm trying to help you, but I'm also cautious of continuing a conversation here that I am trying to keep on topic.

I did see the previous posts which is why I made my original comment, I then saw comments by you and another user and decided to clarify the rules regarding flamebait. These comments where made for clarification. Then you steared conversation into "pointless posts" which is not the topic of this thread and you were becoming a lot more specific about what instances you think should and should not be warned.  

At that point it turned from something other than a simple clarification of flamebait and our rules regarding it, into a discussion about moderation and your thoughts on how things should be moderated.
 

I repeated several times that my previous comments where for clarification and that, at this point, discussion was better suited elsewhere and directed you to places that we could continue discussion so that we BOTH wouldn't be continuing onto a topic of conversation that was getting off track, however for whatever reason you decided to continue on trying to challenge me on this.

So I will, for the final time in this thread, clarify that I am more than happy to have a conversation with you about moderation. It's just not really the place to have that conversation. I will not be responding to you any more in this thread, if you do genuinely want clarification on moderation feel free to create a topic in the support section.

[Didymus 34,380]

You have absolutely no idea exactly who or how many I'm referring to and I have no idea who all these other people in this thread are referring to ... unless they have named names in this thread. 

There are some users on this forum who are constantly negative about Gaga. I have every right to complain about those people, just like anyone else does who is a member here. 

Well, I definitely see things that have been said about me countless times so I decided to speak up. I never said you didn't have the right to complain, Jesus. I said that, after my own a--lysis of the facts, there is no real reason (as a response to you saying constant negativity is flamebait in itself) in my opinion.

I guess I don't know who exactly you're talking about but let me tell you that that is not necessarily a kindness. I'd actually prefer you would right here and now name these members so we finally know what kind of posts we're talking about.

[lego 44,165]

This isn't about banning or censoring everyone with negative opinion.

For example if someone says that Madonna is untalented or overrated or had little influence in pop culture, it's natural that her fans feel upset and might report such posts as flamebait and then bring all the receipts to prove other person wrong.

Same way Gaga fans feel on her own fanforum. When they see constant, cleverly worded, opinions which are discrediting Gaga in many ways. And it's not only once, but many times on different topics. It gets tiring. It makes them upset. Even if they bring the receipts, they don't want to have same discussions over and over again.

Maybe they don't have the time or patience or enough rich vocabulary to defend their views or whatever, but it gets annoying to see the same comments so many times that it doesn't feel like a fan-forum anymore. 

If Gaga is not your fave, notice that you'll behave the same way as that Gaga fan when your own fave is attacked, discredited, cleverly shaded (is that a word?lol).

[lego 44,165]

Why there is constant NEED to refute delusional Gaga fans? Like, who cares?

Let them live in their delusion.

I don't agree with them many times either, but it's normal to see them a lot here cause it's a Gaga forum.

Same way you say to others to ignore negativity, you can also stay away from and ignore threads full of comments you see as delusional.