Jeb Bush rally interrupted by #BlackLivesMatter demonstrators

[Morphine Prince 109,771]

Understood but is that really enough reason for you to just let "police violence only affects the black community" comments slide? The way I see it, the more it's realized that the problem is even bigger than thought beforehand, the closer we get to a solution that benefits everyone involved. I don't know, I don't really get that logic.

No, I don't agree with the comments that it's only a black issue but it is a big issue in the black community who have a large population in this country. They will obviously have a large influence. 

What I have noticed is that black issues always get pushed aside, especially by whites. 

[Didymus 34,380]

No, I don't agree with the comments that it's only a black issue but it is a big issue in the black community who have a large population in this country. They will obviously have a large influence. 

What I have noticed is that black issues always get pushed aside, especially by whites. 

You think I'm pushing them aside?

[Morphine Prince 109,771]

You think I'm pushing them aside?

No, not you. The whites in this article. "White lives matter!" they chant like fools to feel victimized  

Makes my blood boil. 

[Melech 9,900]

No, I don't agree with the comments that it's only a black issue but it is a big issue in the black community who have a large population in this country. They will obviously have a large influence. 

What I have noticed is that black issues always get pushed aside, especially by whites. 

I hope you don't mean me with that ,because if you do, you got something wrong.

Anyway white people push not only black issues away. They push rights of everyone away who is not white and victimize themselves which is so stupid since they are not victims.

[Whispering 18,865]

This is very true. But what is, however, alarming is people who are in the movement or who support the movement saying that police violence is solely a black issue that doesn't affect other groups. And yes, I've seen that idea a lot of times on social media and even on this particular website. That's a danger that should be avoided at all costs. Which is why people like me and Simon have to remind people who genuinely aren't even aware of the seriousness of police violence for other racial groups (not just Native Americans btw).

Since I actually live here and have friends and family that are and have been directly affected by issues dealing with authorities, I'm fully aware that this is a police brutality issue. It is an issue that affects a much higher percentage of black people than whites. That has been proven with statistics. I live here in the U.S., in one of the most racially divisive cities in the U.S. I have friends and family members that are victims, in varying degrees, of injustice at the hands of the police and judicial system. My local news and the current events in my city are centered around these issues and have been for as long as this city has existed. My friends, family, classmates, co-workers and aquintances live in this reality everyday. 

I just saw a special on CNN on the Fergusen police ticketing the people in their community for things like jaywalking or a "side light" being out on a car...not the blinker...but a light only used with all the others when you turn on your hazards. The police force has targeted a certain population in this area for years. I actually know white and black citizens who either work and/or live in Fergusen and they weren't surprised by any of what has come out in the last year. 

No one believes that police brutality only impacts black citizens, but the numbers show that there is an alarming problem in black communities and that there are more (numerically) being affected by a warped system...from our police force to our justice system. As I stated, right now there is strength in numbers, and therefore they are being heard. 

[Morphine Prince 109,771]

@Didymus The way I see it is how environmentalists and ecologists work to bring awareness to an environmental problem. They use ONE species to show there is an issue. Polar bears, pandas? They aren't the ONLY species that will benefit from environmental preservation and protection, but they are the species remembered and will capture people's attention. 

[Whispering 18,865]

No, I don't agree with the comments that it's only a black issue but it is a big issue in the black community who have a large population in this country. They will obviously have a large influence. 

What I have noticed is that black issues always get pushed aside, especially by whites. 

This! To avoid all future off topic discussion, maybe every OP should come with an automatic disclaimer at the top. Something stating that "we all know that police brutality and injustice impacts the lives of all minorities and that this isn't only a "black issue". That way we wouldn't "need" people coming in every thread to "remind us" of something we all know. 

[Didymus 34,380]

Since I actually live here and have friends and family that are and have been directly affected by issues dealing with authorities, I'm fully aware that this is a police brutality issue. It is an issue that affects a much higher percentage of black people than whites. That has been proven with statistics. I live here in the U.S., in one of the most racially divisive cities in the U.S. I have friends and family members that are victims, in varying degrees, of injustice at the hands of the police and judicial system. My local news and the current events in my city are centered around these issues and have been for as long as this city has existed. My friends, family, classmates, co-workers and aquintances live in this reality everyday. 

I just saw a special on CNN on the Fergusen police ticketing the people in their community for things like jaywalking or a "side light" being out on a car...not the blinker...but a light only used with all the others when you turn on your hazards. The police force has targeted a certain population in this area for years. I actually know white and black citizens who either work and/or live in Fergusen and they weren't surprised by any of what has come out in the last year. 

No one believes that police brutality only impacts black citizens, but the numbers show that there is an alarming problem in black communities and that there are more (numerically) being affected by a warped system...from our police force to our justice system. As I stated, right now there is strength in numbers, and therefore they are being heard. 

I'm sure that we can all use our brains to know that other minorities (and even white folks) are also victims, and don't need the reminder that "white people get tickets too" or "other people are victims too". Yes, we know that. 

But.. omg why are you legit never listening to what I'm ****ing saying?

Some people DO NOT realize that there are other groups that suffer dramatically from police brutality. I've seen it over and over on this forum and some people genuinely just didn't know that police violence was a HUGE problem for Native Americans because they're so used to seeing "police violence is a black issue" on ****ing Tumblr and Facebook.

I don't give a **** where you live or what you know, I'm only replying to people who are clearly misinformed enough to say that police violence only disproportionately affects black people. When they see the numbers and see that statistically speaking the problem is even worse in the Native American community, they generally realize that they didn't grasp the full complexity of the problem. So that means these reminders are actually useful for them. I'm definitely not blaming people for a lack of intelligence like you, some people are just confused and misled by the movement and that is a serious issue.

Just because you don't need one doesn't mean others don't.

Edit: I can't believe how this is a 100% re-write of my original post you completely misinterpreted. Like, how dare you.

[Didymus 34,380]

@Didymus The way I see it is how environmentalists and ecologists work to bring awareness to an environmental problem. They use ONE species to show there is an issue. Polar bears, pandas? They aren't the ONLY species that will benefit from environmental preservation and protection, but they are the species remembered and will capture people's attention. 

But when it leads to misconceptions how can you possibly approve of that?

The logic is also different. There is an "animal kingdom" current that environmentalists can rely on. People know that all kinds of animals suffer from the same environmental problems. The difference, however, is that when people are being forcefed that police violence is rooted in racism against black people exclusively, there is no larger awareness of the bigger problem. Police violence isn't the problem of which black people suffer, it's black people suffering from it, the end. Which DOES exclude attention and awareness about other groups, because the big complex issue isn't even mentioned.

I seriously don't get how you can oppose an honest media coverage of all the racial groups that are disproportionately suffering from police violence. I mean.. why Sure, it's possible that those other groups will benefit from one movement but is there any good reason you can give me why we should NOT spread awareness about the full problem?

[Morphine Prince 109,771]

But when it leads to misconceptions how can you possibly approve of that?

The logic is also different. There is an "animal kingdom" current that environmentalists can rely on. People know that all kinds of animals suffer from the same environmental problems. The difference, however, is that when people are being forcefed that police violence is rooted in racism against black people exclusively, there is no larger awareness of the bigger problem. Police violence isn't the problem, it's black people suffering from it. Which DOES exclude attention and awareness about other groups, because the big complex issue isn't even mentioned.

I seriously don't get how you can oppose an honest media coverage of all the racial groups that are disproportionately suffer from police violence. I mean.. why Sure, it's possible that those other groups will benefit from one movement but is there any good reason you can give me why we should NOT spread awareness about the full problem?

But I'm not saying they shouldn't talk about ALL issues, what I'm saying is that this type of movement is a tactic to garner attention towards a particular issue. The general population doesn't grasp concepts so easily. You have to use something to get their attention. 

Your idea would work in an ideal world where people actually cared. Truth is people don't give a ****. You have a movement saying Black Lives Matter and you have all these people feeling offended and victimized? Like WTF?  If they started saying "Police brutality is an issue" they would just come up with some other excuse. "NOT ALL COPS!" 

Look at gun laws in this country. The excuse? "Guns don't kill people, people kill people!" There is always a damn excuse in this country and I am sick of it. 

[Didymus 34,380]

But I'm not saying they shouldn't talk about ALL issues, what I'm saying is that this type of movement is a tactic to garner attention towards a particular issue. The general population doesn't grasp concepts so easily. You have to use something to get their attention. 

Your idea would work in an ideal world where people actually cared. Truth is people don't give a ****. You have a movement saying Black Lives Matter and you have all these people feeling offended and victimized? Like WTF?  If they started saying "Police brutality is an issue" they would just come up with some other excuse. "NOT ALL COPS!" 

Look at gun laws in this country. The excuse? "Guns don't kill people, people kill people!" There is always a damn excuse in this country and I am sick of it. 

But there are actual numbers that clearly would show to any sane individual that there is a shocking disproportionate quality to the police violence affecting Native Americans, African Americans and Latino's. I actually think referring to the statistical reality is a better tactic than using a tagline that you know will be misinterpreted by those idiots that don't care  

[Morphine Prince 109,771]

But there are actual numbers that clearly would show to any sane individual that there is a shocking disproportionate quality to the police violence affecting Native Americans, African Americans and Latino's. I actually think referring to the statistical reality is a better tactic than using a tagline that you know will be misinterpreted by those idiots that don't care  

There are actual numbers showing the US is the developed nation with most gun violence yet look where we are. Numbers clearly don't work in this country. Seems like people only react to simplistic concepts. Not even that. The Newtown shooting got attention because children died and then the Senate shut that down because of the damn lobbyists. 

[Didymus 34,380]

There are actual numbers showing the US is the developed nation with most gun violence yet look where we are. Numbers clearly don't work in this country. Seems like people only react to simplistic concepts. Not even that. The Newtown shooting got attention because children died and then the Senate shut that down because of the damn lobbyists. 

There's a difference though.. The main argument of pro-gun individuals is that the numbers don't show that the problem is related to people owning guns and that the amount of accidents that happen are in no way more problematic than accidents in traffic for example.

The ambivalence of numbers doesn't apply to this issue, at all. There is no possible ambivalence in them. The numbers representing police brutality against racial groups are very simple. Some people (specific racial groups, unrelated to criminal behavior) are more likely to be raped, assaulted and murdered than others. What's more simple than that?

[Morphine Prince 109,771]

There's a difference though.. The main argument of pro-gun individuals is that the numbers don't show that the problem is related to people owning guns and that the amount of accidents that happen are in no way more problematic than accidents in traffic for example.

The ambivalence of numbers doesn't apply to this issue, at all. There is no possible ambivalence in them. The numbers representing police brutality against racial groups are very simple. Some people (specific racial groups, unrelated to criminal behavior) are more likely to be raped, assaulted and murdered than others. What's more simple than that?

The numbers are used to show police brutality is higher in black communities and that still doesn't work for some people. "ALL LIVES MATTER. WHITE LIVES MATTER." Don't focus on blacks! Focus on us! Focus on us whites! We are victims too!" That's all I hear from people who don't want to recognize the issue. 

Race is a huge issue in the US. Logic doesn't apply, sadly. Racism is irrational. 

The approach you propose IS the ideal one but tbh I've just lost hope in people. Nothing seems to get people to accept that minorities have issues and it's not just because they are "lazy." 

[Didymus 34,380]

The numbers are used to show police brutality is higher in black communities and that still doesn't work for some people. "ALL LIVES MATTER. WHITE LIVES MATTER." Don't focus on blacks! Focus on us! Focus on us whites! We are victims too!" That's all I hear from people who don't want to recognize the issue. 

Race is a huge issue in the US. Logic doesn't apply, sadly. Racism is irrational. 

The approach you propose IS the ideal one but tbh I've just lost hope in people. Nothing seems to get people to accept that minorities have issues and it's not just because they are "lazy." 

So you admit that it's because of the tagline and not the numbers

Anyway, I get you but we don't need the whole world to care. But do I think that a movement that would pay attention to every racial group suffering from disproportionate police violence would attract more people than a movement that doesn't even really seem open to support from other races. Calling it a "black movement" (though I understand the emotional weight surrounding that idea) comes across to some as: "don't get involved, this is our thing". I have personally been confronted with people telling me to butt out because it wasn't my movement.

So yes, I definitely believe that a movement that could be anyone's movement who cares about equality would get more attention, support and influential power.